Spatial Video shot on iPhone for Apple Vision Pro previewed for a select few

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Apple has shown off its Apple Vision Pro video features in more detail, with a few venues invited to watch 3D video shot on iPhone on the upcoming headset.

Watching a Spatial Video recording on Vision Pro (Source: Apple)
Watching a Spatial Video recording on Vision Pro (Source: Apple)



As the promised Spatial Video recording for iPhone 15 Pro finally arrived in iOS 17, so Apple has been allowing a select group of people to try it out. Under similar controlled circumstances to its previous Vision Pro demonstrations, users were able to shoot some video and then watch that back plus prerecorded examples.

All were similarly impressed, and Joanna Stern of the Wall Street Journal and her Tech Things blog suggests that more people will shoot 3D video with their iPhone than with the headset itself.

Sushi as you've never seen it before



"At the demo, I recorded a sushi chef holding a piece of sushi," writes Stern. "When I watched it back in the Vision Pro, the sushi and the chopsticks really looked 3-D."

"They were clearly in the foreground, hovering closer to me than the rest of the imagery," she continued. "Of course the lighting was perfect when recording -- we'll have to see how it does in imperfect conditions."

Stern says that one of Apple's examples of a recording of a family "was so lifelike and cozy that it almost creeped me out."

As impressed as she was, she adds "guess who isn't wearing a clunky face computer to her two-year-old's birthday party? THIS MOM!"

More sushi, less resolution

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also got the ability to shoot video of a chef preparing sushi. "And now it's a VR experience I'm watching in beautiful 3D on Apple's Vision Pro headset," writes Scott Stein.

However, even while calling his own video and Apple's other examples "undeniably vivid," CNET's Stein said it was "a tiny bit disappointing that the videos can't be recorded in 4K resolution."

"Apple's Vision Pro headset has astounding quality and resolution, which became clear once again as I looked at iPhone photos in the headset and zoomed in on them, or viewed panoramic photos in a wraparound mode that made it feel like I was in a vivid immersive recreation of a location, similar to a 360-degree photo," he continues. "The spatial videos look really nice, but I felt the desire to see them in more fluid 60fps, 4K or both. Maybe someday."

"There's no recording limit on the videos, so you could theoretically make a spatial video 3D feature-length film," says Stein.

But at present, the videos can only be trimmed in the Vision Pro headset or on the iPhone. They can't be edited in Final Cut Pro, though Apple promises that this will change during 2024.

Killer app

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is more impressed, with reviewer Lance Ulanoff saying that "I now realize that spatial video could be the Vision Pro's killer app."

As well as needing iOS 17.2, "Apple makes it possible to shoot stereoscopic or spatial video, but only when you hold the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max in landscape mode."

"To simplify matters, Apple is only capturing two 1080p/30fps video streams in HEVC (high-efficiency video coding) format," continues Ulanoff. "Owing to the dual stream, the file size is a bit larger, creating a 130MB file for about one minute of video."

"[Spatial] video may make the most compelling case yet for, if not owning a Vision Pro," continues the publication, "then at least wishing you did."

Apple Vision Pro is due to be released early in 2024, though Apple has yet to announce a more specific date.

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  • Reply 1 of 15
    As impressed as she was, she adds "guess who isn't wearing a clunky face computer to her two-year-old's birthday party? THIS MOM!"
    As written this sentence seems to imply the Stern quote as a detractor to what she saw (iPhone-shot video). I don't think that's the correct interpretation. She's confirming the iPhone-shot video is the way to go, as opposed to the prior launch clip of a parent wearing the AVP to shoot. 


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  • Reply 2 of 15
    netroxnetrox Posts: 1,545member

    However, even while calling his own video and Apple's other examples "undeniably vivid," CNET's Stein said it was "a tiny bit disappointing that the videos can't be recorded in 4K resolution."

    I imagine that would be too expensive to compute at this point. 

    Isn't that they are recorded with two 2K resolution and merged as 4K worth of data for 3D? So, it would make sense they don't do 8K at this time. 


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  • Reply 3 of 15
    netrox said:

    However, even while calling his own video and Apple's other examples "undeniably vivid," CNET's Stein said it was "a tiny bit disappointing that the videos can't be recorded in 4K resolution."

    I imagine that would be too expensive to compute at this point. 

    Isn't that they are recorded with two 2K resolution and merged as 4K worth of data for 3D? So, it would make sense they don't do 8K at this time. 


    Yah, I just did this amazing 3D thing on a phone and these goggles. It looked cool and all, but I couldn’t taste the sushi. Definite fail Apple.
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  • Reply 4 of 15
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,955member
    Sushi as you’ve never seen it before” sounds like a teaser for a Japanese giant monster movie. Do not fear, Godzilla will show up to beat that giant mutant sushi into submission. 
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  • Reply 5 of 15
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,711member
    Two stereoscopic 1080p streams should result in a roughly 2K picture quality, which means it should stand up to SOME zooming, but not much.

    But that’s totally not the point. The effect is meant to recreate what you actually saw at the time. Leave the ridiculous zooming in to the police investigations. :smiley: 
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  • Reply 6 of 15
    netrox said:

    I imagine that would be too expensive to compute at this point. 

    Isn't that they are recorded with two 2K resolution and merged as 4K worth of data for 3D? So, it would make sense they don't do 8K at this time. 

    Not quite. It is recording two separate 1080p (aka HD) streams. When going from HD to 4K, the pixel counts are doubled on both the horizontal and vertical axes; thus four separate HD streams would be required for a combined 4K resolution.
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  • Reply 7 of 15
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,639member
    I am glad that Apple is doing what they’re doing with offering spatial video, the amount of horsepower needed computing wise to do this further explains why the Apple Vision Pro will cost $3500, the higher resolutions are going to require M3, M4, and M5 processors going into the future, shooting 4K, 5K, 6K, and 8K video requires humongous, amount of computing  power and SSD drive space.

    The so-called tech writers getting a peek, don’t seem to comprehend the computing power (SOC) needed and the size of the video files needed to pull this off? If the iPhone 15 and 15 Pro can shoot this type of video isn’t that a big step forward? Also, if it works as well as it seems to work, what is the problem with shooting it with the Apple Vision Pro? It’s not like you’re gonna keep the Apple Vision Pro on your head 24/7 if you’re shooting a special event for a minute or two what is the problem? Camcorder, dad or mom was just a fact of life, using this technique to film people you care about particularly older people, that is a killer feature that will sell units, no matter what the cost, and it also will lead to a howl from competitors and certain nosy government officials like the EU about spatial video standards. Most of Apples, competitors are at least 4, 5 years behind with shipping CPU/SOC’s if you believe the current geekbench scores. https://browser.geekbench.com/mobile-benchmarks (doesn’t include the new M3). 

    I am confused? A human with the camera shooting inappropriate videos everywhere is a given, I just don’t understand why people/tech writers are acting like it’s not gonna happen, it will happen on day one…..
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  • Reply 8 of 15
    As a fan of 3D and someone who often watches 3D blurays on his home cinema (screen is 10ft wide around 14ft from the seating) I have to say to have the capability to record media of this complexity in a phone is going to be brilliant. 

    Pretty incredible to have this power in a consumer device  (I first saw a pro 4k Red camera in use at an AC/DC video shoot I was in 😜) /gloat and I remember when a Mac based Avid edit suite capable of only SD video cost well over $100k. iPhone 15 Pro Max is my next iPhone :smile: 

    It’s clear to my mind that these stereo movies will be better than good when viewed in the Vision Pro at a closer distance like shown in the original Vision Pro teaser video.

    Yes 1080p stereo is 3k of data but when I watch 3D bluray movies they actually feel far superior to the same movie as a 4k bluray - but I get that not everyone likes wearing things on their face - their loss imho.

    Shame we have to wait until Q4 2024 here in the UK : might be worth a US holiday to get to see one in action before then 😎 

    I can’t help but wonder if the Vision (non-Pro) might come (Q4 2024?) sans video recording if one can use an iPhone for that side, seems likely to me. 
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  • Reply 9 of 15
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,639member
    aderutter said:
    As a fan of 3D and someone who often watches 3D blurays on his home cinema (screen is 10ft wide around 14ft from the seating) I have to say to have the capability to record media of this complexity in a phone is going to be brilliant. 

    Pretty incredible to have this power in a consumer device  (I first saw a pro 4k Red camera in use at an AC/DC video shoot I was in 😜) /gloat and I remember when a Mac based Avid edit suite capable of only SD video cost well over $100k. iPhone 15 Pro Max is my next iPhone :smile: 

    It’s clear to my mind that these stereo movies will be better than good when viewed in the Vision Pro at a closer distance like shown in the original Vision Pro teaser video.

    Yes 1080p stereo is 3k of data but when I watch 3D bluray movies they actually feel far superior to the same movie as a 4k bluray - but I get that not everyone likes wearing things on their face - their loss imho.

    Shame we have to wait until Q4 2024 here in the UK : might be worth a US holiday to get to see one in action before then 😎 

    I can’t help but wonder if the Vision (non-Pro) might come (Q4 2024?) sans video recording if one can use an iPhone for that side, seems likely to me. 

    I would not be surprised that Apple will have them ready for demo at all 527 Apple stores across the world after release day in the United States, so I think you’re gonna be able to schedule a demo to see how it works in person. :smile: 
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  • Reply 10 of 15
    chasm said:
    Two stereoscopic 1080p streams should result in a roughly 2K picture quality, which means it should stand up to SOME zooming, but not much.

    But that’s totally not the point. The effect is meant to recreate what you actually saw at the time. Leave the ridiculous zooming in to the police investigations. :smiley: 
    I think the issue is they have to crop the ultra wide lens to match the standard lens and with it only being 12MP it doesn’t leave enough headroom for stabilization, etc. Once the ultra wide goes to 48MP we may get 4k spatial video. I would guess we’ll see 45 or 90 fps as the next upgrade to this feature as well.  
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  • Reply 11 of 15
    The Vision Pro has an external battery pack. Maybe Apple can sell a standalone spatial video camera that you plug into the same battery back if you want to record from something less obtrusive than a Vision Pro. I would expect that the two cameras would want to be separated by several inches. Perhaps a headband with two small cameras attached would be a popular solution. Software could merge the two different camera angles into the correct file format used for the Vision Pro. I'm not sure if the cameras could transmit the video single wirelessly to your Vision Pro, or if there would need to be local storage.
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  • Reply 12 of 15
    The Vision Pro has an external battery pack. Maybe Apple can sell a standalone spatial video camera that you plug into the same battery back if you want to record from something less obtrusive than a Vision Pro. I would expect that the two cameras would want to be separated by several inches. Perhaps a headband with two small cameras attached would be a popular solution. Software could merge the two different camera angles into the correct file format used for the Vision Pro. I'm not sure if the cameras could transmit the video single wirelessly to your Vision Pro, or if there would need to be local storage.
    “Things that are never gonna happen, for 200!”
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  • Reply 13 of 15
    The Vision Pro has an external battery pack. Maybe Apple can sell a standalone spatial video camera that you plug into the same battery back if you want to record from something less obtrusive than a Vision Pro. I would expect that the two cameras would want to be separated by several inches. Perhaps a headband with two small cameras attached would be a popular solution. Software could merge the two different camera angles into the correct file format used for the Vision Pro. I'm not sure if the cameras could transmit the video single wirelessly to your Vision Pro, or if there would need to be local storage.
    “Things that are never gonna happen, for 200!”
    Lol yeah.  The iPhone is the standalone spatial video camera.
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  • Reply 14 of 15
    I really wonder if the Vision Pro is going to be Tim Cook’s Newton. I have many Apple fan/users (high-end too: Mac Studio w/ Ultra M’series or bigass loaded Mac Pros). No one cares about the VP. I’m sure it’s going to be a beautiful experience, but it’s still a head-worn thingy they don’t want keep on. Yes, a short experience is fun, but replacing our MBP with this system, as Apple demonstrated, just isn’t going to happen.
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  • Reply 15 of 15
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,547moderator
    AniMill said:
    I really wonder if the Vision Pro is going to be Tim Cook’s Newton. I have many Apple fan/users (high-end too: Mac Studio w/ Ultra M’series or bigass loaded Mac Pros). No one cares about the VP. I’m sure it’s going to be a beautiful experience, but it’s still a head-worn thingy they don’t want keep on. Yes, a short experience is fun, but replacing our MBP with this system, as Apple demonstrated, just isn’t going to happen.
    The Newton was a failure of execution, mostly due to timing of mobile network availability but also multi-touch and the App Store. The iPhone was the Newton designed properly and launched when mobile networking was widely available.

    The Vision Pro, like the Newton, is a bit too early for the technology it needs. However, it's not over a decade too early, not so early that it won't be useful and not designed badly.

    It is a foundational product for something that a lot of people will want to use every day (for short-term experiences), 5 years from now.

    Initial shipments will be low, likely below 1m units at $3500 but a lighter model at $2000 will go up to over 3m units. When they get to $1500, they will be shipping 10m units/year ($15b). As it gets lighter and more compact, they will eventually be owned by tens of millions of people. It's not likely to ever reach iPhone level shipments, more like iPad or Mac level.

    A personal cinema in your pocket is going to be a very compelling platform and it will be useful for work. Taking a tiny screen iPad or laptop on vacation when you are accustomed to a large screen isn't great. This allows you to take a pocket device and get a desktop experience.

    It allows you to appear in a room in another country while working remotely. The ability to project a photoreal person in 3D into the same room will blow people's minds when they experience it.

    The whole AR/VR industry will take some time to develop into something a lot of people want to invest in but it's not a product category destined for failure, it's just early. People will be more interested in it when they try the shipping product in stores.
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