We demand our Right to Repair, iFixit tells FTC

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Repair outfit iFixit and the Public Interest Research Group have asked the FTC to introduce new Right to Repair rules that could make it easier for device owners to fix broken hardware themselves.

Fixing an iPhone
Fixing an iPhone



iFixit and PIRG submitted a petition to the Federal Trade Commission on Tuesday, asking for the creation of rules to maintain the public has the ability to repair hardware, or the so-called "Right to Repair."

In a blog post outlining the reasoning, iFixit explains that it's petitioning the FTC because it is the strongest organization of consumer protection, and because it needs to update its rules.

The FTC has performed a number of actions to help further the Right to Repair movement, including investigations into the matter that resulted in the Nixing the Fix report of 2021. At the time, the FTC found there was "scant evidence to support manufacturers' justifications for repair restrictions.

Following a call by President Biden in 2021 to do more to enforce rules on the right to repair, the FTC went after a number of companies the following year. Harley-Davidson, Weber, and Westinghouse included language in their manuals saying customers must use manufacturers' own repair services, which goes against a law from 1975 that made it illegal to void a warranty for independent repairs.

"But, the FTC can only take action on something if they've got relevant rules in place," explains iFixit. "And a lot of the things that manufacturers are doing to block repair are new enough that the FTC never ruled against those things before."

Examples given by iFixit of such techniques are seemingly Apple-specific, including the use of proprietary screws like Pentalobe screws, as well as Apple's parts pairing system that effectively blocks repairs without Apple's intervention.

The New Rules



The FTC petition wants the regulator to "engage in a rulemaking process to create new Right to Repair rules to deal with these new blocks that manufacturers have put in place."

The list of suggested rules include ensuring "consumable components ought to be replaceable and readily available throughout a product's usable lifespan," with commonly broken parts handled in the same way. Consumers should also be allowed to choose to take damaged products to a repair shop of their choice or fix it themselves.

In cases where manufacturers stop supporting a product, key functions "ought to remain intact," and the hardware should remain repairable by independent repair shops, the petition adds. Those repair should also should not be "required to report customers' personally identifiable information to the manufacturer."

Going against parts pairing, one line states "Identical components from two identical devices ought to be interchangeable without manufacturer intervention.

There is also the suggestion that a repairability scoring system gets created for appliances, administered by the Energy Guide program, which could be placed on the yellow Energy Guide stickers applied to some appliances.

"We live in a world surrounded by things that should last and be fixable, but instead, end up thrown away too soon," according to PIRG Right to Repair campaign director Nathan Proctor. "As the FTC and others have noted, that drains our wallets, fuels an electronic waste crisis and undermines local repair shop businesses. The FTC clearly plays a role in fixing these problems, allowing us to fix our modern devices."

While there is a chance the FTC will respond positively to the petition, it could take the regulator years for any action to become useful to the public. It could be "a few years" before results come to light, iFixit admits.

An anti-Apple petition



The petition doesn't specify Apple directly, but its inclusion of fighting parts pairing and the availability of components have been a problem for the movement's dealings with the iPhone maker.

Apple has frequently been the target of complaints from iFixit, as well as third-party iPhone repair shops, citing delays in parts processing and steep costs.

For its part, Apple has made some changes in how it operates to make repairs easier to undertake. It has launched self-service repair programs, voiced support for a California right-to-repair bill, and has insisted its part and documentation availability will widen soon.

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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 14
    I demand the right to have my devices repaired by someone who knows what they are doing, with the right equipment, and environment to do it in, expertly and efficiently.

    That ain't me.
    get seriousInspiredCodechasmMacProwilliamlondonmacxpressdarbus69kurai_kageFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 2 of 14
    iFixit is doing this because they care about consumer protection  ;)
    get seriouschasmstompyMacPro
  • Reply 3 of 14
    Right to repair should definitely be applied to the battery since that will likely need replacement every 3 years. This is the closest thing to the origins of right to repair in the tractor and automobile industry. In my opinion, right to repair should relate to wear and preventive maintenance, not damage.

    The rest of it should really be best effort since all other repairs would relate to accidental damage. It would be good for Apple to make repairability one of their core principles since it relates to environmental impact and total cost of ownership. Both areas where Apple deserves negative press if they fail to do a good job. However, that should be minimally regulated if at all.
    edited November 2023 FileMakerFeller
  • Reply 4 of 14
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,519member
    Apple has already endorsed the California R2R act and is applying that state law to its operations across their US operations. Anyone who wants to repair their own devices can now get access to the tools and manuals needed to do that. There is a deposit cost up front, and the cost to repair it isn’t free, but in some cases it’s a bit cheaper* than taking it to an Apple Authorised Service Provider, and of course some people don’t have easy access to an AASP so this can work out well for them.

    *Cheaper if your time and effort are of no value to you.

    I’ve owned iPhones from the first day they were available. Always put them in a lipped case to prevent the glass breaking on the rare occasion that I drop them. So far, the only “repair” I’ve ever needed was for the iPhone 6s battery — and I got that done free (thanks Apple).

    Make no mistake: iFixit are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. They want a law that allows the use of potentially third-party parts and cheaply made, higher-profit tools like the ones they sell. The California model protects consumers from that, allowing makers to use authorized parts they are sure will work properly. In extremely high-precision stuff like most of what Apple makes, that’s crucial.

    All that said, Apple has already moved to make the back glass easier to fix, and easier access to the battery — moves they may not have made if the R2R movement hadn’t put pressure on them, so there is value in the advocacy. But the California law strikes me as the right balance between the TINY TINY minority of owners who are actually up for doing their own repairs, and the security needs of devices like the iPhone, which in the hands of unauthorized repair facilities can “leak” very personal data or put users at risk due to bad-quality parts.
    williamlondonFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 5 of 14
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 2,140member
    One need only remember the ancient times before the iPhone (16 years ago....) to realize that this right-to-repair thing isn't as straightforward as companies like iFixit would like us to think.

    It was a bit of a shock when the iPhone was introduced without a user-serviceable battery, for instance. The cell phones in everyone's pocket at that time had a removable battery in a phone with a snap-on battery compartment cover, or maybe just the whole back of the phone would come off. Most knew about this because when you dropped your phone, that cover would pop off and the battery would come flying out. If you can remember that, you can also remember that in many cases, rather than plugging your phone in to charge, you'd swap the battery out and put it in a separate charger. This meant you'd probably buy and keep two or three batteries for your phone, so that you could just switch them out, a depleted battery for a charged one. Chances are, you'd shop for cheaper third-party batteries, rather than the phone's expensive brand-name replacements. Is this the utopia we should return to?

    Before deciding that user-serviceable batteries are all that, consider some of the changes resulting from the practice of sealing a battery up inside the phone.

    It wasn't true right away with the first iPhone, but iPhone 15 Pro is water resistant rated IP68, meaning it will survive being submerged under six meters of water for 30 minutes. A 2006 cell phone could be toast if you spilled your drink on it.

    Now, users keep only the one battery that's sealed inside the device. There are no loose extra batteries lying around. No one is buying the cheapest lithium ion (fire hazard, anyone?) spares and replacements they can find. Some people will buy external battery backup devices, but not everyone does that (probably most don't). So from an environmental perspective, there are fewer batteries being manufactured and lying around waiting to go to a landfill or to burn the house down. Also, if users could easily put in a cheap, third-party battery into their iPhone, who takes the PR hit and gets sued when that battery catches fire? Apple. Not cheapflammablebatteries.com. 

    So should users and independent repair shops be able to replace iPhone batteries? Maybe, but not at the expense of sacrificing what the current design offers. User-serviceability shouldn't mean the IP68 rating is reduced or goes away. Despite iFixIt's claims otherwise, it would seem that easy user battery access would likely result in more environmental problems, not less, and way more injuries and property damage from exploding batteries, not less, so it actually shouldn't be easy to pop the phone open to swap out the battery. 

    Finally, if the battery quality standards and up-side of the current sealed-in design remain in place, it seems likely that the profitability of third-party battery replacement would narrow significantly. To me, at least, the right-to-repair thing seems like yet another argument being made by critics who prefer to only look at one side of the ledger. 
    MacProwilliamlondondarbus69kurai_kageFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 6 of 14
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,822member
    AppleZulu said:
    One need only remember the ancient times before the iPhone (16 years ago....) to realize that this right-to-repair thing isn't as straightforward as companies like iFixit would like us to think.

    It was a bit of a shock when the iPhone was introduced without a user-serviceable battery, for instance. The cell phones in everyone's pocket at that time had a removable battery in a phone with a snap-on battery compartment cover, or maybe just the whole back of the phone would come off. Most knew about this because when you dropped your phone, that cover would pop off and the battery would come flying out. If you can remember that, you can also remember that in many cases, rather than plugging your phone in to charge, you'd swap the battery out and put it in a separate charger. This meant you'd probably buy and keep two or three batteries for your phone, so that you could just switch them out, a depleted battery for a charged one. Chances are, you'd shop for cheaper third-party batteries, rather than the phone's expensive brand-name replacements. Is this the utopia we should return to?

    Before deciding that user-serviceable batteries are all that, consider some of the changes resulting from the practice of sealing a battery up inside the phone.

    It wasn't true right away with the first iPhone, but iPhone 15 Pro is water resistant rated IP68, meaning it will survive being submerged under six meters of water for 30 minutes. A 2006 cell phone could be toast if you spilled your drink on it.

    Now, users keep only the one battery that's sealed inside the device. There are no loose extra batteries lying around. No one is buying the cheapest lithium ion (fire hazard, anyone?) spares and replacements they can find. Some people will buy external battery backup devices, but not everyone does that (probably most don't). So from an environmental perspective, there are fewer batteries being manufactured and lying around waiting to go to a landfill or to burn the house down. Also, if users could easily put in a cheap, third-party battery into their iPhone, who takes the PR hit and gets sued when that battery catches fire? Apple. Not cheapflammablebatteries.com. 

    So should users and independent repair shops be able to replace iPhone batteries? Maybe, but not at the expense of sacrificing what the current design offers. User-serviceability shouldn't mean the IP68 rating is reduced or goes away. Despite iFixIt's claims otherwise, it would seem that easy user battery access would likely result in more environmental problems, not less, and way more injuries and property damage from exploding batteries, not less, so it actually shouldn't be easy to pop the phone open to swap out the battery. 

    Finally, if the battery quality standards and up-side of the current sealed-in design remain in place, it seems likely that the profitability of third-party battery replacement would narrow significantly. To me, at least, the right-to-repair thing seems like yet another argument being made by critics who prefer to only look at one side of the ledger. 
    I agree times have changed.  I can well imagine if this were to come to pass, after a few iPhones with some cheap battery replacement burst into flames, the airlines refusing to let all iPhones on board. 
    williamlondondarbus69
  • Reply 7 of 14
    jdwjdw Posts: 1,417member
    I guess the biggest issue that no one can argue against is when somebody keeps a device long after Apple calls it obsolete.  

    When no official Apple parts are available, you would normally go to 3rd party parts.  At that point, the device is old enough to where it really doesn't matter if those parts "aren't up to Apple standards."  You want your vintage/obsolete device to keep working, just like we in the vintage Mac community want to keep our SE/30s running strong now in 2023.  But if your modern Apple device won't pair with a 3rd party battery -- the one component that WILL need to be swapped out every 3-5 years -- then the device becomes junk that must be discarded.  That contributes to unnecessary waste while at the same time pisses off the vintage device community.

    So I would say for that reason alone we need a way to at least allow vintage/obsolete devices to pair with any parts, not just Apple official parts, which at that point would not be sold anymore.

    And for those nuts badmouthing iFixit, they really do advocate for us in the community who want or need to repair something.  It's not merely about self-interest.

    I like Apple and as such am very pro-Apple in most matters.  But when they need to be called out on something, which is the case here, I don't shy away from the discussion.
    muthuk_vanalingamFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 8 of 14
    AppleZulu said:
    One need only remember the ancient times before the iPhone (16 years ago....) to realize that this right-to-repair thing isn't as straightforward as companies like iFixit would like us to think.

    It was a bit of a shock when the iPhone was introduced without a user-serviceable battery, for instance. The cell phones in everyone's pocket at that time had a removable battery in a phone with a snap-on battery compartment cover, or maybe just the whole back of the phone would come off. Most knew about this because when you dropped your phone, that cover would pop off and the battery would come flying out. If you can remember that, you can also remember that in many cases, rather than plugging your phone in to charge, you'd swap the battery out and put it in a separate charger. This meant you'd probably buy and keep two or three batteries for your phone, so that you could just switch them out, a depleted battery for a charged one. Chances are, you'd shop for cheaper third-party batteries, rather than the phone's expensive brand-name replacements. Is this the utopia we should return to?

    Before deciding that user-serviceable batteries are all that, consider some of the changes resulting from the practice of sealing a battery up inside the phone.

    It wasn't true right away with the first iPhone, but iPhone 15 Pro is water resistant rated IP68, meaning it will survive being submerged under six meters of water for 30 minutes. A 2006 cell phone could be toast if you spilled your drink on it.

    Now, users keep only the one battery that's sealed inside the device. There are no loose extra batteries lying around. No one is buying the cheapest lithium ion (fire hazard, anyone?) spares and replacements they can find. Some people will buy external battery backup devices, but not everyone does that (probably most don't). So from an environmental perspective, there are fewer batteries being manufactured and lying around waiting to go to a landfill or to burn the house down. Also, if users could easily put in a cheap, third-party battery into their iPhone, who takes the PR hit and gets sued when that battery catches fire? Apple. Not cheapflammablebatteries.com. 

    So should users and independent repair shops be able to replace iPhone batteries? Maybe, but not at the expense of sacrificing what the current design offers. User-serviceability shouldn't mean the IP68 rating is reduced or goes away. Despite iFixIt's claims otherwise, it would seem that easy user battery access would likely result in more environmental problems, not less, and way more injuries and property damage from exploding batteries, not less, so it actually shouldn't be easy to pop the phone open to swap out the battery. 

    Finally, if the battery quality standards and up-side of the current sealed-in design remain in place, it seems likely that the profitability of third-party battery replacement would narrow significantly. To me, at least, the right-to-repair thing seems like yet another argument being made by critics who prefer to only look at one side of the ledger. 
    Yes, the sky is going to fall down if users are able to replace their own batteries.
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 9 of 14
    They demand the right to make their business feasible ... since they just want to sell parts and tools.
    Shoe horse makers demand less cars!
    macxpresskurai_kagedanox
  • Reply 10 of 14
    paxmanpaxman Posts: 4,729member
    Damn right! The right to repair is such a clear cut case. Apple should champion this. 
    williamlondongrandact73
  • Reply 11 of 14
    Appleish said:
    I demand the right to have my devices repaired by someone who knows what they are doing, with the right equipment, and environment to do it in, expertly and efficiently.

    That ain't me.
    #CanIGetAnAmen
  • Reply 12 of 14
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,972member
    AppleZulu said:
    One need only remember the ancient times before the iPhone (16 years ago....) to realize that this right-to-repair thing isn't as straightforward as companies like iFixit would like us to think.

    It was a bit of a shock when the iPhone was introduced without a user-serviceable battery, for instance. The cell phones in everyone's pocket at that time had a removable battery in a phone with a snap-on battery compartment cover, or maybe just the whole back of the phone would come off. Most knew about this because when you dropped your phone, that cover would pop off and the battery would come flying out. If you can remember that, you can also remember that in many cases, rather than plugging your phone in to charge, you'd swap the battery out and put it in a separate charger. This meant you'd probably buy and keep two or three batteries for your phone, so that you could just switch them out, a depleted battery for a charged one. Chances are, you'd shop for cheaper third-party batteries, rather than the phone's expensive brand-name replacements. Is this the utopia we should return to?

    Before deciding that user-serviceable batteries are all that, consider some of the changes resulting from the practice of sealing a battery up inside the phone.

    It wasn't true right away with the first iPhone, but iPhone 15 Pro is water resistant rated IP68, meaning it will survive being submerged under six meters of water for 30 minutes. A 2006 cell phone could be toast if you spilled your drink on it.

    Now, users keep only the one battery that's sealed inside the device. There are no loose extra batteries lying around. No one is buying the cheapest lithium ion (fire hazard, anyone?) spares and replacements they can find. Some people will buy external battery backup devices, but not everyone does that (probably most don't). So from an environmental perspective, there are fewer batteries being manufactured and lying around waiting to go to a landfill or to burn the house down. Also, if users could easily put in a cheap, third-party battery into their iPhone, who takes the PR hit and gets sued when that battery catches fire? Apple. Not cheapflammablebatteries.com. 

    So should users and independent repair shops be able to replace iPhone batteries? Maybe, but not at the expense of sacrificing what the current design offers. User-serviceability shouldn't mean the IP68 rating is reduced or goes away. Despite iFixIt's claims otherwise, it would seem that easy user battery access would likely result in more environmental problems, not less, and way more injuries and property damage from exploding batteries, not less, so it actually shouldn't be easy to pop the phone open to swap out the battery. 

    Finally, if the battery quality standards and up-side of the current sealed-in design remain in place, it seems likely that the profitability of third-party battery replacement would narrow significantly. To me, at least, the right-to-repair thing seems like yet another argument being made by critics who prefer to only look at one side of the ledger. 
    You are glossing over some aspects. 

    Yes, it was common to see batteries fly out of dropped phones. You popped them back in and life went on. 

    Would that happen today? No. 

    Phones moved to glass backs (totally unnecessary BTW) and made cases a virtual requirement. No replaceable battery would fly out of that. Worse still is that uncased modern phones are far more likely to break nowadays (in spite of the improvements in breakage resistance). 

    IP68 is unnecessary. Just like glass backs. Nano-coatings do the same job without the need for seals or gaskets (although for repairabilty, I'd prefer a gasket). 

    Is IP68 valuable? Yes, if you get your phone dunked, but how many people find themselves in that situation and even then, the phone is never guaranteed to be actually used in water. You are on your own. 

    There is no valid reason for Apple to fight against external repair and actually designing for repair should be a key objective. 

    Apple's moves have always been towards lock-in and making repair costly except where it can make a pretty penny by selling 'insurance' (AppleCare). That itself is akin to pushing users to AppleCare. Even that push has been fined on several occasions as Apple wasn't coming clean on the necessary details when pushing AppleCare in-store. 

    Its moves in the other direction have basically been due to external pressure, not any intrinsic desire to make its products easier to repair through design. 

    For all its claims about product longevity, software support and environmental concerns, we won't see an Apple FairPhone any time soon. 

    And let's be clear here, from a user perspective, there would be MASSIVE demand for such a phone even if it were thicker and heavier. 

    The problem? iPhone, to this day, is the golden goose at Apple and anything that might see it lay less eggs won't be approved. 

    What we need is to sit Tim Cook down and run a list of questionable design decisions through him and get straight answers on how they ever got onto the products in the first place.

    We can start by asking why, for a few years, a failed MBP keyboard required replacing the keyboard, top case and battery.

    These are the kinds of situations that end up with legislation on repair becoming a needed instrument. 




    edited November 2023 muthuk_vanalingamFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 13 of 14
    The Galaxy S5 had a user replaceable battery and was IP67 water resistant.  It can be done, if the will is there.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 14 of 14
    Right to repair should definitely be applied to the battery since that will likely need replacement every 3 years. This is the closest thing to the origins of right to repair in the tractor and automobile industry. In my opinion, right to repair should relate to wear and preventive maintenance, not damage.

    The rest of it should really be best effort since all other repairs would relate to accidental damage. It would be good for Apple to make repairability one of their core principles since it relates to environmental impact and total cost of ownership. Both areas where Apple deserves negative press if they fail to do a good job. However, that should be minimally regulated if at all.
    You can't have it both ways.  Either there are regulations to ensure companies and individuals behave to an agreed upon standard, or they are allowed to act as they please. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
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