Google welcomes Apple's move to adopt RCS

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in iPhone edited November 2023

Apple has promised to adopt RCS in 2024, and Google welcomes the company's contribution despite not adopting its encrypted extension for the standard.

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The Rich Communications Services messaging standard will finally come to iPhone later in 2024, but Apple won't be using Google's end-to-end encrypted extension. Despite that, Google has shared a message of welcome for Apple.

Google shared a statement with AppleInsider:

"Everyone deserves to communicate with each other in ways that are modern and secure, no matter what phone they have. Thats why we have worked closely with the mobile industry to accelerate the adoption of RCS, and we're happy to see Apple take their first step today by coming on board to embrace RCS. We welcome Apple's participation in our ongoing work with GSMA to evolve RCS and make messaging more equitable and secure, and look forward to working with them to implement this on iOS in a way that works well for everyone."



Google has clearly won the battle after bashing Apple repeatedly for sticking to SMS as an alternative to iMessage. Now that Apple is working with the GSMA to enhance RCS, Google has everything to win.

Apple says it intends to work with the GSMA to add encryption to the RCS Universal Profile -- something Google hasn't been able to do in all its years sponsoring the standard. Instead, Google had to create an extension of RCS that only works with Google Messages to enable end-to-end encryption.

As Google said, Apple joining in the work on RCS will be a win for all users. Apple's involvement will likely be the lifeline the Google-backed standard needs, saving it from the ever-increasing Google graveyard.

Read on AppleInsider

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  • Reply 1 of 11
    nubusnubus Posts: 386member
    Google asked EU to open iMessages. That won't happen. Android users are now stuck with RCS while iPhone users get the best of both worlds. And Google... from "only Android supports Flash" to "only Android supports RCS". This is just another USP being taken away from Android. Smart move by Apple.
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 11
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    nubus said:
    Google asked EU to open iMessages. That won't happen. Android users are now stuck with RCS while iPhone users get the best of both worlds. And Google... from "only Android supports Flash" to "only Android supports RCS". This is just another USP being taken away from Android. Smart move by Apple.
    Google doesn't want the job of securing RCS and it's privacy. They HAD to because the carriers and the GSMA refused to accept the responsibility. They'll dance in the rain when they no longer have to spend money and resources on RCS things that should not have had to. 
  • Reply 3 of 11
    auxioauxio Posts: 2,728member
    gatorguy said:
    nubus said:
    Google asked EU to open iMessages. That won't happen. Android users are now stuck with RCS while iPhone users get the best of both worlds. And Google... from "only Android supports Flash" to "only Android supports RCS". This is just another USP being taken away from Android. Smart move by Apple.
    Google doesn't want the job of securing RCS and it's privacy. They HAD to because the carriers and the GSMA refused to accept the responsibility. They'll dance in the rain when they no longer have to spend money and resources on RCS things that should not have had to. 
    I agree with you here. The carriers are dog slow at moving anything forward. They're happy to just sit back and make money off the cellular infrastructure they own/lease/had created for them by governments. They typically get forced to move forward by tech companies who need new infrastructure for their devices. So in that sense, I'm happy that Google (and now Apple) are pushing them forward on this.

    That said, I'm not entirely convinced that Google isn't interested since, if the carriers go with their RCS server/router technology (Jibe), that'll at least give them information about who's connected to who in the world with the knowledge of user/customer IDs and who is messaging who (even if they can't see the content of those messages). I'm fairly certain this is why Apple is pushing back on the E2EE side of things and working with GSMA.
    edited November 2023 ronnwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 11
    auxio said:
    gatorguy said:
    nubus said:
    Google asked EU to open iMessages. That won't happen. Android users are now stuck with RCS while iPhone users get the best of both worlds. And Google... from "only Android supports Flash" to "only Android supports RCS". This is just another USP being taken away from Android. Smart move by Apple.
    Google doesn't want the job of securing RCS and it's privacy. They HAD to because the carriers and the GSMA refused to accept the responsibility. They'll dance in the rain when they no longer have to spend money and resources on RCS things that should not have had to. 
    I agree with you here. The carriers are dog slow at moving anything forward. They're happy to just sit back and make money off the cellular infrastructure they own/lease/had created for them by governments. They typically get forced to move forward by tech companies who need new infrastructure for their devices. So in that sense, I'm happy that Google (and now Apple) are pushing them forward on this.

    That said, I'm not entirely convinced that Google isn't interested since, if the carriers go with their RCS server/router technology (Jibe), that'll at least give them information about who's connected to who in the world with the knowledge of user/customer IDs and who is messaging who (even if they can't see the content of those messages). I'm fairly certain this is why Apple is pushing back on the E2EE side of things and working with GSMA.
    Nah, that isn't the reason. It is nuts how certain Apple fans have convinced themselves that everyone who competes with Apple is bad, including even companies that were once major Apple partners and suppliers. 
    1. Google actually had a GREAT messaging strategy in its pre-Android and early Android days (Google Chat - which included video - and Google Voice). Indeed, it even preceded Apple's efforts in this area. Problem: they trashed it to compete with Facebook, resulting in the Google Hangouts debacle.
    2. After Google Hangouts failed, Google realized the need to compete with iMessage. So they created Allo (messages) and Duo (video). Allo failed and was yanked. Duo was very successful, but only outside the U.S. Google also created Meet to kinda sorta replace Hangouts for its enterprise Workspace customers.
    3. With Duo and Meet video was "fine" but Google still needed a modern messaging protocol to replace the ancient insecure SMS/MMS. So Google chose RCS, which had originally been proposed years ago but failed because no one adopted it. It was never supposed to compete with iMessage. After the failure of Duo, Hangouts and Allo - plus Chat/Voice never reaching its potential - Google really did merely want a better messaging client. 

    So I don't get people who attribute nefarious intent on Google's part here. Was Google supposed to stick with a 1980s messaging protocol just to maintain Apple's advantage? Or is adopting rich text support, group chat support and end-to-end encryption somehow bad? You have some desire to punish people for choosing not to buy iPhones by forcing outdated insecure tech on them or something? Yes, Google maintains the servers but what choice did they have? The mobile carriers could have but refused. Google solved a real problem for their users that no one - the carriers, regulators, Apple - was going to lift a finger to. I don't see how this makes them the bad guy.

    Apple isn't going to use Google's encryption? You know who is happy about that? Google. Google has been trying to get GSMA to adopt encryption for years. Whether Apple gets GSMA to adopt it or implements their own solution, it benefits Apple. So long as Apple handles the messages properly it doesn't matter. So no, it isn't some scheme to invade iPhone user's privacy. Google was already perfectly capable of doing that already with SMS/MMS and so was everybody else. That's why Apple's refusal to adopt RCS so long never made sense. To put it another way, it proves that Apple's alleged focus on privacy was just marketing. Apple knew that its consumers were communicating with Android device owners using very insecure SMS/MMS and didn't lift a finger. 

    This isn't necessarily a loss for Apple - the green and blue bubble thing will still exist - but it is definitely a win for Google and Android users. And there are absolutely no downsides either. 
    gatorguymuthuk_vanalingamwilliamlondon
  • Reply 5 of 11
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,053member
    thadec said:
    auxio said:
    gatorguy said:
    nubus said:
    Google asked EU to open iMessages. That won't happen. Android users are now stuck with RCS while iPhone users get the best of both worlds. And Google... from "only Android supports Flash" to "only Android supports RCS". This is just another USP being taken away from Android. Smart move by Apple.
    Google doesn't want the job of securing RCS and it's privacy. They HAD to because the carriers and the GSMA refused to accept the responsibility. They'll dance in the rain when they no longer have to spend money and resources on RCS things that should not have had to. 
    I agree with you here. The carriers are dog slow at moving anything forward. They're happy to just sit back and make money off the cellular infrastructure they own/lease/had created for them by governments. They typically get forced to move forward by tech companies who need new infrastructure for their devices. So in that sense, I'm happy that Google (and now Apple) are pushing them forward on this.

    That said, I'm not entirely convinced that Google isn't interested since, if the carriers go with their RCS server/router technology (Jibe), that'll at least give them information about who's connected to who in the world with the knowledge of user/customer IDs and who is messaging who (even if they can't see the content of those messages). I'm fairly certain this is why Apple is pushing back on the E2EE side of things and working with GSMA.
    Nah, that isn't the reason. It is nuts how certain Apple fans have convinced themselves that everyone who competes with Apple is bad, including even companies that were once major Apple partners and suppliers. 
    1. Google actually had a GREAT messaging strategy in its pre-Android and early Android days (Google Chat - which included video - and Google Voice). Indeed, it even preceded Apple's efforts in this area. Problem: they trashed it to compete with Facebook, resulting in the Google Hangouts debacle.
    2. After Google Hangouts failed, Google realized the need to compete with iMessage. So they created Allo (messages) and Duo (video). Allo failed and was yanked. Duo was very successful, but only outside the U.S. Google also created Meet to kinda sorta replace Hangouts for its enterprise Workspace customers.
    3. With Duo and Meet video was "fine" but Google still needed a modern messaging protocol to replace the ancient insecure SMS/MMS. So Google chose RCS, which had originally been proposed years ago but failed because no one adopted it. It was never supposed to compete with iMessage. After the failure of Duo, Hangouts and Allo - plus Chat/Voice never reaching its potential - Google really did merely want a better messaging client. 

    So I don't get people who attribute nefarious intent on Google's part here. Was Google supposed to stick with a 1980s messaging protocol just to maintain Apple's advantage? Or is adopting rich text support, group chat support and end-to-end encryption somehow bad? You have some desire to punish people for choosing not to buy iPhones by forcing outdated insecure tech on them or something? Yes, Google maintains the servers but what choice did they have? The mobile carriers could have but refused. Google solved a real problem for their users that no one - the carriers, regulators, Apple - was going to lift a finger to. I don't see how this makes them the bad guy.

    Apple isn't going to use Google's encryption? You know who is happy about that? Google. Google has been trying to get GSMA to adopt encryption for years. Whether Apple gets GSMA to adopt it or implements their own solution, it benefits Apple. So long as Apple handles the messages properly it doesn't matter. So no, it isn't some scheme to invade iPhone user's privacy. Google was already perfectly capable of doing that already with SMS/MMS and so was everybody else. That's why Apple's refusal to adopt RCS so long never made sense. To put it another way, it proves that Apple's alleged focus on privacy was just marketing. Apple knew that its consumers were communicating with Android device owners using very insecure SMS/MMS and didn't lift a finger. 

    This isn't necessarily a loss for Apple - the green and blue bubble thing will still exist - but it is definitely a win for Google and Android users. And there are absolutely no downsides either. 

    This has nothing to do with Google wanting to compete with Apple iMessage that is on iOS. This has to do with Google coming up with a messaging service that can compete with WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger on Android. Google has failed with over half a dozen messaging services so far. Though some say that couple of them were very good, they never gained traction against WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger, so Google just gave up on them. If any one of them had gained traction against WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger, Google would not be hosting RCS for the telecoms today. And trying to have Google Messages the telecoms default client for their RCS messaging.

    So Google came up with having the carriers adopt RCS on Google servers. It's the reason why they acquired Jibe Mobile to begin with. Telecoms companies that want to adopt RCS can easily do so by letting Google host their RCS messaging on Jibe Mobile servers. And by doing this, they can use Google version of RCS (which is only available by using Google Messages as the client on Android phones) and have E2EE with all the other telecoms using Jibe Mobile servers. In all the years that Google have been working on getting telecoms to adopt RCS, they have not figured out a way to make it so that each telecom can host their own RCS and still have E2EE with the other telecoms RCS services, without any of them having to be hosted on Google servers. Not sure if Google really wanted that.

    But Google RCS, which been around for years now, still can't compete with WhatsApp and Facebbok Messenger. So Google figured that if they got Apple to adopt Google RCS, they would have the hook they need to get more Android users to use Google Messages. Google has locked down Google RCS with E2EE, to being only available with Google  Messages and Samsung Messages. So Android users with a lot of friends that are using iPhone iMessages, will more likely  keep using Google Messages as their main messaging service. Which they are not doing now, as most Android users are still using Whatsapp and Facebook Messenger as their main messaging service to message with their friend using iPhones. They have no need to use Google Messages.

    But Apple threw a monkey into the wench by not supporting Google E2EE version of RCS. In order to do that (for now), Apple would have to host their iMessage on Google servers. Like how all the other telecoms have to do it, in order to offer E2EE with Google version of RCS. By Apple only adopting the standard RCS (with no E2EE), any messaging service can receive RCS messages from an iPhone that is using iMessage. This is not ideal for Google at all. Android users would not need to use Google Messages to send and receive standard RCS messages that are not E2EEd. Much like what they can now do with SMS, only RCS has more features, even without E2EE. And RCS without E2EE will not be secure as messages with the E2EE from WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger.

    BTW- the telecoms are not giving up on SMS as their standard messaging service. SMS is still a popular messaging service with businesses and the telecoms still makes money from it. The reason why the teleocoms gave up on RCS was because they could not figure out a way to monetize it, as there are plenty of free messaging services that are both more secure and with more features, than what they can offer with RCS. The telecoms were not willing to pour money into offering something that competes with something better, that is available for free, on both Android and iOS mobile phones. But Google business model is the gold standard of how to monetize something that is offered for free. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 11
    thadec said:
    auxio said:
    gatorguy said:
    nubus said:
    Google asked EU to open iMessages. That won't happen. Android users are now stuck with RCS while iPhone users get the best of both worlds. And Google... from "only Android supports Flash" to "only Android supports RCS". This is just another USP being taken away from Android. Smart move by Apple.
    Google doesn't want the job of securing RCS and it's privacy. They HAD to because the carriers and the GSMA refused to accept the responsibility. They'll dance in the rain when they no longer have to spend money and resources on RCS things that should not have had to. 
    I agree with you here. The carriers are dog slow at moving anything forward. They're happy to just sit back and make money off the cellular infrastructure they own/lease/had created for them by governments. They typically get forced to move forward by tech companies who need new infrastructure for their devices. So in that sense, I'm happy that Google (and now Apple) are pushing them forward on this.

    That said, I'm not entirely convinced that Google isn't interested since, if the carriers go with their RCS server/router technology (Jibe), that'll at least give them information about who's connected to who in the world with the knowledge of user/customer IDs and who is messaging who (even if they can't see the content of those messages). I'm fairly certain this is why Apple is pushing back on the E2EE side of things and working with GSMA.
    Nah, that isn't the reason. It is nuts how certain Apple fans have convinced themselves that everyone who competes with Apple is bad, including even companies that were once major Apple partners and suppliers. 

    Always love when we have voices that have to bash "Apple Fans" while kissing the ring of their abuser.  

    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 11
    auxioauxio Posts: 2,728member
    thadec said:
    auxio said:
    gatorguy said:
    nubus said:
    Google asked EU to open iMessages. That won't happen. Android users are now stuck with RCS while iPhone users get the best of both worlds. And Google... from "only Android supports Flash" to "only Android supports RCS". This is just another USP being taken away from Android. Smart move by Apple.
    Google doesn't want the job of securing RCS and it's privacy. They HAD to because the carriers and the GSMA refused to accept the responsibility. They'll dance in the rain when they no longer have to spend money and resources on RCS things that should not have had to. 
    I agree with you here. The carriers are dog slow at moving anything forward. They're happy to just sit back and make money off the cellular infrastructure they own/lease/had created for them by governments. They typically get forced to move forward by tech companies who need new infrastructure for their devices. So in that sense, I'm happy that Google (and now Apple) are pushing them forward on this.

    That said, I'm not entirely convinced that Google isn't interested since, if the carriers go with their RCS server/router technology (Jibe), that'll at least give them information about who's connected to who in the world with the knowledge of user/customer IDs and who is messaging who (even if they can't see the content of those messages). I'm fairly certain this is why Apple is pushing back on the E2EE side of things and working with GSMA.
    Nah, that isn't the reason. It is nuts how certain Apple fans have convinced themselves that everyone who competes with Apple is bad, including even companies that were once major Apple partners and suppliers. 
    You clearly don't understand my position. I'm on the side of technology creators being able to create and sell technology products without having to monetize them via data harvesting and advertising. Which, not only being an industry/business practice I despise, also happens to be the industry that Google and Meta have fully locked up.

    Just think about it: say I create some amazing new technology that allows people to instantly communicate with each other just by thinking. Now, as a technology creator, I'd like to just sell my product directly to people (or perhaps license it to companies who want to integrate it into their products) and be able to focus solely on making it better because that's what I'm good at. But a year down the road, Google has cloned my technology and is giving their clone version away for free since they're using the data they harvest from people's thoughts to increase the value of their advertising business (which is where they're making money). What do you think happens to my product and what I need to do with my company if I want to survive?

    By cloning and owning technology products (like Java, H.264, and others), then giving them away for free, and not facing any repercussions for it, they've essentially forced technology creators to have to rethink their business strategy. Apple is lucky because they already have a strong foundation as a technology company, not to mention that Google needs the platforms they've built to acquire much of their data, but smaller tech companies (and even not so small ones like Sun Microsystems) really have to think about this happening to them. And most are forced to follow the same path as Google, like it or not.

    So yes, I've thought about this much deeper than simple fanboyism. I know that's difficult to understand when the internet is filled with people who don't know anything about the industry and have turned it into the new "Ford vs Chevy" fight.
    edited November 2023 williamlondonwatto_cobrastrongy
  • Reply 8 of 11
    auxioauxio Posts: 2,728member
    thadec said:
    auxio said:
    gatorguy said:
    nubus said:
    Google asked EU to open iMessages. That won't happen. Android users are now stuck with RCS while iPhone users get the best of both worlds. And Google... from "only Android supports Flash" to "only Android supports RCS". This is just another USP being taken away from Android. Smart move by Apple.
    Google doesn't want the job of securing RCS and it's privacy. They HAD to because the carriers and the GSMA refused to accept the responsibility. They'll dance in the rain when they no longer have to spend money and resources on RCS things that should not have had to. 
    I agree with you here. The carriers are dog slow at moving anything forward. They're happy to just sit back and make money off the cellular infrastructure they own/lease/had created for them by governments. They typically get forced to move forward by tech companies who need new infrastructure for their devices. So in that sense, I'm happy that Google (and now Apple) are pushing them forward on this.

    That said, I'm not entirely convinced that Google isn't interested since, if the carriers go with their RCS server/router technology (Jibe), that'll at least give them information about who's connected to who in the world with the knowledge of user/customer IDs and who is messaging who (even if they can't see the content of those messages). I'm fairly certain this is why Apple is pushing back on the E2EE side of things and working with GSMA.
    So I don't get people who attribute nefarious intent on Google's part here. Was Google supposed to stick with a 1980s messaging protocol just to maintain Apple's advantage? Or is adopting rich text support, group chat support and end-to-end encryption somehow bad? You have some desire to punish people for choosing not to buy iPhones by forcing outdated insecure tech on them or something? Yes, Google maintains the servers but what choice did they have? The mobile carriers could have but refused. Google solved a real problem for their users that no one - the carriers, regulators, Apple - was going to lift a finger to. I don't see how this makes them the bad guy.
    Of course. I completely understand that Google wants to ensure their Android phones have secure messaging. And they didn't need to create RCS to do that, just have messages encrypted on the sending device, sent over the cellular network as data, and decrypted on the receiving device (as they do). Obviously the problem is interoperability with devices which don't know the protocol, but then that really isn't Google's problem since they're not making money from those devices (just as it isn't Apple's problem).

    Apple isn't going to use Google's encryption? You know who is happy about that? Google. Google has been trying to get GSMA to adopt encryption for years. Whether Apple gets GSMA to adopt it or implements their own solution, it benefits Apple. So long as Apple handles the messages properly it doesn't matter. So no, it isn't some scheme to invade iPhone user's privacy. Google was already perfectly capable of doing that already with SMS/MMS and so was everybody else. That's why Apple's refusal to adopt RCS so long never made sense. To put it another way, it proves that Apple's alleged focus on privacy was just marketing. Apple knew that its consumers were communicating with Android device owners using very insecure SMS/MMS and didn't lift a finger. 

    And so we get to the crux of your argument: that Google created RCS + encryption because they truly care about privacy for everyone (unlike Apple). If that's the case, then why are they using a proprietary, closed source technology for the encryption part? Thus locking out other phone manufacturers who use Linux or Android, but aren't GMS-certified. Why not make that part of the standard and open up the server-side technology for everyone to use if it's truly being done as a good will gesture?
    edited November 2023 williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 11
    "Google has clearly won the battle after bashing Apple repeatedly for sticking to SMS as an alternative to iMessage. Now that Apple is working with the GSMA to enhance RCS, Google has everything to win."

    No they haven't, and what a silly thing to claim.

    Apple decided it's time to implement a new universal standard, not Google's version. Google won nothing. iMessage will remain Apple's proprietary messaging platform and Google's messaging will remain a mess. It's like SMS is going to receive a minor (very minor) upgrade, big deal. No E2EE, none of Google's proprietary extensions.
    watto_cobrastrongy
  • Reply 10 of 11
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    "Google has clearly won the battle after bashing Apple repeatedly for sticking to SMS as an alternative to iMessage. Now that Apple is working with the GSMA to enhance RCS, Google has everything to win."

    No they haven't, and what a silly thing to claim.

    Apple decided it's time to implement a new universal standard, not Google's version. Google won nothing. iMessage will remain Apple's proprietary messaging platform and Google's messaging will remain a mess. It's like SMS is going to receive a minor (very minor) upgrade, big deal. No E2EE, none of Google's proprietary extensions.
    Google already uses the Universal Standard, but enhancing it with E2EE on top since GSMA has so far not made it a priority to include. No surprise since the carriers were still hopeful of running it, at least until the past couple of years. 

    You may be completely unaware what led up to this, and why Google jumped in where GSMA wouldn't. This article will take you back to where it began and why:
    https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/17/18681573/google-rcs-chat-android-texting-carriers-imessage-encryption
    edited November 2023
  • Reply 11 of 11
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,306member
    Prediction: Google will continue to “enhance” their version of RCS with add-ones that collect data and push “rich advertising,” among other things users “want.”

    Meanwhile, Apple will implement RCS with real standards, some of which they will help to create or create outright to protect iPhone users from Google’s latest attempt to breach user privacy.

    And the green bubble will continue to be a warning sign that your messages to Android users may or may not be secure, and may or may not collect data.
    williamlondonwatto_cobrastrongy
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