a sufficiently large number of people are not in agreement with you that it is inferior “to every other wireless mouse.”
It is evidently inferior. There is no advantage to the Magic Mouse's charging port location, and clear advantages to the positioning that near enough every other mouse uses. If there was any advantage then I daresay you'd have brought it up, but you've said nothing of the sort, and repeatedly admitted that it is an inconvenience. If anyone agrees with you that it's not a design inferiority then they're just as wrong and confused as you.
Your appeal to the free market is meaningless. People don't buy mice for the charging port, there's many other factors that decide that. It can very well feature a bad design element and sell well and be popular. Windows is popular.
It’s a wireless mouse, meant to be used wirelessly. The port is on the bottom so it’s out of the way when you’re using the mouse. That’s the advantage. But I wrote that upthread a long time ago.
You say “people don't buy mice for the charging port,” but you and others seem to suggest you’ve bought other devices so you can use your wireless mouse with a wire sticking out of it.
I’d agree that’s not a great reason to pick a mouse. Enough others also think that, and keep buying the Apple mouse. Yep. That’s about it.
Out of the way!
Yeah, my use of the Logitech Master range is so compromised by the charging port always getting in the way
It only takes a few minutes to get 8-9 hours of charge using the port on the bottom. The complaints about the location were always inane.
Wrong. Twice. My magic mouse charges slowly so it takes more than 'a few minutes.' I've also come down to work on my computer only to find the mouse dead with no warning. Beyond that, Why should my work be interrupted at all because of Jonny's bumf*ked design decision? There is zero reason. Zero. Z-E-R-O that the charging port needs to be on the bottom.
The amount of Fanboy apologizing for this abomination is always inane.
Sounds like you need to have the battery replaced in your mouse. If you do that, the device will function as intended. Then you won’t need to complain about the location of the charging port, because it’ll last weeks on a full charge and in the event you’ve let it run out, it’ll only take a couple of minutes to get a day’s boost.
It only takes a few minutes to get 8-9 hours of charge using the port on the bottom. The complaints about the location were always inane.
100%. It’s never been an issue for me. The BENEFIT of the charging port being in the bottom is nothing ever gets stuck in there. If it was on the back or front you wild over time get dirt, skin and lint stuck in the port.
What's hilarious to me is that the critics seem to think that the placement of the charging port is either some kind of mistake or a form-over-function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
The reality is that the port was put on the bottom of the mouse quite intentionally, because it's a wireless mouse, and Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse. The OG Magic Mouse had to be flipped over to swap out the batteries. It doesn't take much longer than that maneuver to get a day's charge on the rechargeable one.
It's not hard to imagine the next iteration won't have a port at all, and will simply charge via a watch charger and/or an iPhone MagSafe wireless charger. You won't be able to use it while it's charging that way, either. Whatever will people do?
What is hilarious to me is that Ive fanboys seem to thing that the placement of the charging port was to prevent accumulation of debris in the charging port when it was clearly a for over function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
IF, as you assert, "Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse" it would have been because that would ruin his perceived aesthetic beauty of the design. What we end up with is a design which looks horrible and is completely non-functional when charging.
Using it as a wireless mouse is literally its intended function.
Do you get this worked up about not being able to drive your car while you're filling up the fuel tank? I've got news if you're thinking about driving an EV...
*sigh* another response that just doesn't get it. I suppose if you're still breathing the smoke that Jonny blows out of his arse then it addles the brain a bit.
The wireless keyboard can be used while plugged in. Why aren't you bitching about how piss poor of a wireless keyboard it is since you can actually use it while it's charging?
here's a news flash for you - every wireless device needs to charge. Even an EV. The tiny difference that you don't seem to comprehend about an EV is that it actually drives miles away from the power source while a wireless mouse stays inches away so there actually is a real and legitimate use case for keeping the mouse plugged in while you use it. Now if that gawdawful cord offends your sensibilities too much then fine, you can walk away and not work while it's charging so you don't have to be bothered by its presence but I prefer to use my devices to get work done.
If your EV’s batteries are old and don’t hold a charge and take a long time to recharge, would you complain that you can’t just leave it plugged in while you drive, or would you take care of the maintenance issue so that the car functions as designed?
It only takes a few minutes to get 8-9 hours of charge using the port on the bottom. The complaints about the location were always inane.
100%. It’s never been an issue for me. The BENEFIT of the charging port being in the bottom is nothing ever gets stuck in there. If it was on the back or front you wild over time get dirt, skin and lint stuck in the port.
What's hilarious to me is that the critics seem to think that the placement of the charging port is either some kind of mistake or a form-over-function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
The reality is that the port was put on the bottom of the mouse quite intentionally, because it's a wireless mouse, and Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse. The OG Magic Mouse had to be flipped over to swap out the batteries. It doesn't take much longer than that maneuver to get a day's charge on the rechargeable one.
It's not hard to imagine the next iteration won't have a port at all, and will simply charge via a watch charger and/or an iPhone MagSafe wireless charger. You won't be able to use it while it's charging that way, either. Whatever will people do?
What is hilarious to me is that Ive fanboys seem to thing that the placement of the charging port was to prevent accumulation of debris in the charging port when it was clearly a for over function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
IF, as you assert, "Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse" it would have been because that would ruin his perceived aesthetic beauty of the design. What we end up with is a design which looks horrible and is completely non-functional when charging.
Using it as a wireless mouse is literally its intended function.
Do you get this worked up about not being able to drive your car while you're filling up the fuel tank? I've got news if you're thinking about driving an EV...
*sigh* another response that just doesn't get it. I suppose if you're still breathing the smoke that Jonny blows out of his arse then it addles the brain a bit.
The wireless keyboard can be used while plugged in. Why aren't you bitching about how piss poor of a wireless keyboard it is since you can actually use it while it's charging?
here's a news flash for you - every wireless device needs to charge. Even an EV. The tiny difference that you don't seem to comprehend about an EV is that it actually drives miles away from the power source while a wireless mouse stays inches away so there actually is a real and legitimate use case for keeping the mouse plugged in while you use it. Now if that gawdawful cord offends your sensibilities too much then fine, you can walk away and not work while it's charging so you don't have to be bothered by its presence but I prefer to use my devices to get work done.
If your EV’s batteries are old and don’t hold a charge and take a long time to recharge, would you complain that you can’t just leave it plugged in while you drive, or would you take care of the maintenance issue so that the car functions as designed?
If I could plug in an EV car and continue driving it on a wired route but the EV manufacturer had deliberately put the port on the underside of the car making that an impossibility then sure as hell I would be complaining. The important factor that you seem to have overlooked here in your desperate grasping apologism is that computer mice and cars are ever so slightly different things.
It only takes a few minutes to get 8-9 hours of charge using the port on the bottom. The complaints about the location were always inane.
100%. It’s never been an issue for me. The BENEFIT of the charging port being in the bottom is nothing ever gets stuck in there. If it was on the back or front you wild over time get dirt, skin and lint stuck in the port.
What's hilarious to me is that the critics seem to think that the placement of the charging port is either some kind of mistake or a form-over-function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
The reality is that the port was put on the bottom of the mouse quite intentionally, because it's a wireless mouse, and Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse. The OG Magic Mouse had to be flipped over to swap out the batteries. It doesn't take much longer than that maneuver to get a day's charge on the rechargeable one.
It's not hard to imagine the next iteration won't have a port at all, and will simply charge via a watch charger and/or an iPhone MagSafe wireless charger. You won't be able to use it while it's charging that way, either. Whatever will people do?
What is hilarious to me is that Ive fanboys seem to thing that the placement of the charging port was to prevent accumulation of debris in the charging port when it was clearly a for over function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
IF, as you assert, "Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse" it would have been because that would ruin his perceived aesthetic beauty of the design. What we end up with is a design which looks horrible and is completely non-functional when charging.
Using it as a wireless mouse is literally its intended function.
Do you get this worked up about not being able to drive your car while you're filling up the fuel tank? I've got news if you're thinking about driving an EV...
*sigh* another response that just doesn't get it. I suppose if you're still breathing the smoke that Jonny blows out of his arse then it addles the brain a bit.
The wireless keyboard can be used while plugged in. Why aren't you bitching about how piss poor of a wirelesas keyboard it is since you can actually use it while it's charging?
here's a news flash for you - every wireless device needs to charge. Even an EV. The tiny difference that you don't seem to comprehend about an EV is that it actually drives miles away from the power source while a wireless mouse stays inches away so there actually is a real and legitimate use case for keeping the mouse plugged in while you use it. Now if that gawdawful cord offends your sensibilities too much then fine, you can walk away and not work while it's charging so you don't have to be bothered by its presence but I prefer to use my devices to get work done.
If your EV’s batteries are old and don’t hold a charge and take a long time to recharge, would you complain that you can’t just leave it plugged in while you drive, or would you take care of the maintenance issue so that the car functions as designed?
If I could plug in an EV car and continue driving it on a wired route but the EV manufacturer had deliberately put the port on the underside of the car making that an impossibility then sure as hell I would be complaining. The important factor that you seem to have overlooked here in your desperate grasping apologism is that computer mice and cars are ever so slightly different things.
Of course they are, and no metaphor is ever perfect, but the intended comparison is apt. MplsP described a mouse with a dysfunctional battery. That's the actual problem, not the location of the charging port. The EV comparison offers a little reductio ad absurdum to make the point that some wireless devices are better designed to not operate as a wired, tethered device. If you don't like the EV metaphor, how about a cordless drill? Why aren't those all designed so you can plug them into AC power when all your batteries are shot? Most worksites have proximate AC power, and power drills all used to be corded, so rather than replacing bum batteries (the actual problem), shouldn't wireless drill owners just complain angrily that they can't just plug them in and use them as wired devices, or should they maybe replace their defective batteries (the actual problem) in order to use their tool as intended? Note: I am aware that a wireless computer mouse and a cordless drill are different devices, so you don't need to tell me that as a way to avoid the point made by the comparison. A wireless mouse and a wireless keyboard are also not the same thing. One can operate as a stationary object and the other, by definition does not.
The thing you seem to have overlooked is that I'm not an apologist for anything. I am simply having a bit of a laff at the fist-pounding anger directed at a design issue as inconsequential as not being able to use your computer mouse for two minutes while you top it off in preparation for a day's work. You don't like that design? Fine. Buy another device. They are readily available. Demanding that the device be redesigned because you can't make it work the way it was not intended to work is a silly thing. You characterize my "desperate grasping apologism," but I would counter that there's a lot of desperate grasping criticism going on here. The reasons given for moving the charging port on the device are all seemingly inconsequential, and certainly don't warrant the anger and frustration being used to criticize the design and demand the change.
It only takes a few minutes to get 8-9 hours of charge using the port on the bottom. The complaints about the location were always inane.
100%. It’s never been an issue for me. The BENEFIT of the charging port being in the bottom is nothing ever gets stuck in there. If it was on the back or front you wild over time get dirt, skin and lint stuck in the port.
What's hilarious to me is that the critics seem to think that the placement of the charging port is either some kind of mistake or a form-over-function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
The reality is that the port was put on the bottom of the mouse quite intentionally, because it's a wireless mouse, and Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse. The OG Magic Mouse had to be flipped over to swap out the batteries. It doesn't take much longer than that maneuver to get a day's charge on the rechargeable one.
It's not hard to imagine the next iteration won't have a port at all, and will simply charge via a watch charger and/or an iPhone MagSafe wireless charger. You won't be able to use it while it's charging that way, either. Whatever will people do?
What is hilarious to me is that Ive fanboys seem to thing that the placement of the charging port was to prevent accumulation of debris in the charging port when it was clearly a for over function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
IF, as you assert, "Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse" it would have been because that would ruin his perceived aesthetic beauty of the design. What we end up with is a design which looks horrible and is completely non-functional when charging.
Using it as a wireless mouse is literally its intended function.
Do you get this worked up about not being able to drive your car while you're filling up the fuel tank? I've got news if you're thinking about driving an EV...
*sigh* another response that just doesn't get it. I suppose if you're still breathing the smoke that Jonny blows out of his arse then it addles the brain a bit.
The wireless keyboard can be used while plugged in. Why aren't you bitching about how piss poor of a wirelesas keyboard it is since you can actually use it while it's charging?
here's a news flash for you - every wireless device needs to charge. Even an EV. The tiny difference that you don't seem to comprehend about an EV is that it actually drives miles away from the power source while a wireless mouse stays inches away so there actually is a real and legitimate use case for keeping the mouse plugged in while you use it. Now if that gawdawful cord offends your sensibilities too much then fine, you can walk away and not work while it's charging so you don't have to be bothered by its presence but I prefer to use my devices to get work done.
If your EV’s batteries are old and don’t hold a charge and take a long time to recharge, would you complain that you can’t just leave it plugged in while you drive, or would you take care of the maintenance issue so that the car functions as designed?
If I could plug in an EV car and continue driving it on a wired route but the EV manufacturer had deliberately put the port on the underside of the car making that an impossibility then sure as hell I would be complaining. The important factor that you seem to have overlooked here in your desperate grasping apologism is that computer mice and cars are ever so slightly different things.
Of course they are, and no metaphor is ever perfect, but the intended comparison is apt. MplsP described a mouse with a dysfunctional battery. That's the actual problem, not the location of the charging port. The EV comparison offers a little reductio ad absurdum to make the point that some wireless devices are better designed to not operate as a wired, tethered device. If you don't like the EV metaphor, how about a cordless drill? Why aren't those all designed so you can plug them into AC power when all your batteries are shot? Most worksites have proximate AC power, and power drills all used to be corded, so rather than replacing bum batteries (the actual problem), shouldn't wireless drill owners just complain angrily that they can't just plug them in and use them as wired devices, or should they maybe replace their defective batteries (the actual problem) in order to use their tool as intended? Note: I am aware that a wireless computer mouse and a cordless drill are different devices, so you don't need to tell me that as a way to avoid the point made by the comparison. A wireless mouse and a wireless keyboard are also not the same thing. One can operate as a stationary object and the other, by definition does not.
The thing you seem to have overlooked is that I'm not an apologist for anything. I am simply having a bit of a laff at the fist-pounding anger directed at a design issue as inconsequential as not being able to use your computer mouse for two minutes while you top it off in preparation for a day's work. You don't like that design? Fine. Buy another device. They are readily available. Demanding that the device be redesigned because you can't make it work the way it was not intended to work is a silly thing. You characterize my "desperate grasping apologism," but I would counter that there's a lot of desperate grasping criticism going on here. The reasons given for moving the charging port on the device are all seemingly inconsequential, and certainly don't warrant the anger and frustration being used to criticize the design and demand the change.
Cordless drills and cars and whatever you care to name next in your increasingly silly trolling are designed to be used some distance away from a charging port, due to either safety, or practicality, or both. Mice are not. The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience. Sure, maybe there's an occasional use case where a mouse is several metres away from a USB port, but they're not the common scenario, not at all. They are very different things from cars and drills and the "intended comparison" is ridiculous.
I did buy another device. I'm not demanding that Apple change anything, just pointing out how stupid their design is in the face of your silly defences and attempts to deflect, and that it's a factor in why I would never buy one of their mice. The reasons for the criticism are obvious, and your only response to them are "doesn't matter to me". Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not, or that you don't value your time enough to find interruptions to charge a mouse unacceptable. The fact that it doesn't matter to you isn't going to make me buy one. If you want to have a conversation, great, but being argumentative about other people's "inconsequential" (to you) frustrations, with ever more ridiculous analogies for the sake of a "laff" isn't doing anything but wasting everyone's time and marking you out as a prick.
The problem is that I forget to charge my mouse and only know when the computer warns me that I'm low. Typically, this is in the middle of the day while I'm doing work. Not being able to plug in and continue forwards is a PITA. Flipping the mouse over and charging means that I have to stop what I'm doing until charged. Not feasible.
Really? Not feasible? You’re so intensively busy that you can’t spare two minutes to charge the mouse enough to finish your day? Really? You can’t get to the bathroom, have wee and get back to your desk in two minutes. Takes even longer if you wash your hands properly. It took you more than two minutes to read this thread and respond here.
You can’t spare two minutes of your day to correct your own error? You could’ve looked in Bluetooth settings on your Mac at any time to check your mouse’s battery level. If constant mousing is so mission critical, you’d think you’d have already established a fail-safe procedure to charge the mouse every night or at least every weekend to assure you’d never run into a critical two-minute road block in the middle of your busy, busy day.
Seriously, so w/in 2 minutes my mouse will have enough charge to complete my day?
The thing hold a charge for weeks but it's my fault for not anally clicking on my BT menu to check the charge of my mouse. /s Reason why I'll never buy an electric car.
My fail safe is to use my older battery version of the mouse.
It only takes a few minutes to get 8-9 hours of charge using the port on the bottom. The complaints about the location were always inane.
100%. It’s never been an issue for me. The BENEFIT of the charging port being in the bottom is nothing ever gets stuck in there. If it was on the back or front you wild over time get dirt, skin and lint stuck in the port.
What's hilarious to me is that the critics seem to think that the placement of the charging port is either some kind of mistake or a form-over-function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
The reality is that the port was put on the bottom of the mouse quite intentionally, because it's a wireless mouse, and Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse. The OG Magic Mouse had to be flipped over to swap out the batteries. It doesn't take much longer than that maneuver to get a day's charge on the rechargeable one.
It's not hard to imagine the next iteration won't have a port at all, and will simply charge via a watch charger and/or an iPhone MagSafe wireless charger. You won't be able to use it while it's charging that way, either. Whatever will people do?
What is hilarious to me is that Ive fanboys seem to thing that the placement of the charging port was to prevent accumulation of debris in the charging port when it was clearly a for over function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
IF, as you assert, "Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse" it would have been because that would ruin his perceived aesthetic beauty of the design. What we end up with is a design which looks horrible and is completely non-functional when charging.
Using it as a wireless mouse is literally its intended function.
Do you get this worked up about not being able to drive your car while you're filling up the fuel tank? I've got news if you're thinking about driving an EV...
*sigh* another response that just doesn't get it. I suppose if you're still breathing the smoke that Jonny blows out of his arse then it addles the brain a bit.
The wireless keyboard can be used while plugged in. Why aren't you bitching about how piss poor of a wirelesas keyboard it is since you can actually use it while it's charging?
here's a news flash for you - every wireless device needs to charge. Even an EV. The tiny difference that you don't seem to comprehend about an EV is that it actually drives miles away from the power source while a wireless mouse stays inches away so there actually is a real and legitimate use case for keeping the mouse plugged in while you use it. Now if that gawdawful cord offends your sensibilities too much then fine, you can walk away and not work while it's charging so you don't have to be bothered by its presence but I prefer to use my devices to get work done.
If your EV’s batteries are old and don’t hold a charge and take a long time to recharge, would you complain that you can’t just leave it plugged in while you drive, or would you take care of the maintenance issue so that the car functions as designed?
If I could plug in an EV car and continue driving it on a wired route but the EV manufacturer had deliberately put the port on the underside of the car making that an impossibility then sure as hell I would be complaining. The important factor that you seem to have overlooked here in your desperate grasping apologism is that computer mice and cars are ever so slightly different things.
Of course they are, and no metaphor is ever perfect, but the intended comparison is apt. MplsP described a mouse with a dysfunctional battery. That's the actual problem, not the location of the charging port. The EV comparison offers a little reductio ad absurdum to make the point that some wireless devices are better designed to not operate as a wired, tethered device. If you don't like the EV metaphor, how about a cordless drill? Why aren't those all designed so you can plug them into AC power when all your batteries are shot? Most worksites have proximate AC power, and power drills all used to be corded, so rather than replacing bum batteries (the actual problem), shouldn't wireless drill owners just complain angrily that they can't just plug them in and use them as wired devices, or should they maybe replace their defective batteries (the actual problem) in order to use their tool as intended? Note: I am aware that a wireless computer mouse and a cordless drill are different devices, so you don't need to tell me that as a way to avoid the point made by the comparison. A wireless mouse and a wireless keyboard are also not the same thing. One can operate as a stationary object and the other, by definition does not.
The thing you seem to have overlooked is that I'm not an apologist for anything. I am simply having a bit of a laff at the fist-pounding anger directed at a design issue as inconsequential as not being able to use your computer mouse for two minutes while you top it off in preparation for a day's work. You don't like that design? Fine. Buy another device. They are readily available. Demanding that the device be redesigned because you can't make it work the way it was not intended to work is a silly thing. You characterize my "desperate grasping apologism," but I would counter that there's a lot of desperate grasping criticism going on here. The reasons given for moving the charging port on the device are all seemingly inconsequential, and certainly don't warrant the anger and frustration being used to criticize the design and demand the change.
Cordless drills and cars and whatever you care to name next in your increasingly silly trolling are designed to be used some distance away from a charging port, due to either safety, or practicality, or both. Mice are not. The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience. Sure, maybe there's an occasional use case where a mouse is several metres away from a USB port, but they're not the common scenario, not at all. They are very different things from cars and drills and the "intended comparison" is ridiculous.
I did buy another device. I'm not demanding that Apple change anything, just pointing out how stupid their design is in the face of your silly defences and attempts to deflect, and that it's a factor in why I would never buy one of their mice. The reasons for the criticism are obvious, and your only response to them are "doesn't matter to me". Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not, or that you don't value your time enough to find interruptions to charge a mouse unacceptable. The fact that it doesn't matter to you isn't going to make me buy one. If you want to have a conversation, great, but being argumentative about other people's "inconsequential" (to you) frustrations, with ever more ridiculous analogies for the sake of a "laff" isn't doing anything but wasting everyone's time and marking you out as a prick.
"The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience." = "doesn't matter to me".
Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not.
It only takes a few minutes to get 8-9 hours of charge using the port on the bottom. The complaints about the location were always inane.
100%. It’s never been an issue for me. The BENEFIT of the charging port being in the bottom is nothing ever gets stuck in there. If it was on the back or front you wild over time get dirt, skin and lint stuck in the port.
What's hilarious to me is that the critics seem to think that the placement of the charging port is either some kind of mistake or a form-over-function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
The reality is that the port was put on the bottom of the mouse quite intentionally, because it's a wireless mouse, and Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse. The OG Magic Mouse had to be flipped over to swap out the batteries. It doesn't take much longer than that maneuver to get a day's charge on the rechargeable one.
It's not hard to imagine the next iteration won't have a port at all, and will simply charge via a watch charger and/or an iPhone MagSafe wireless charger. You won't be able to use it while it's charging that way, either. Whatever will people do?
What is hilarious to me is that Ive fanboys seem to thing that the placement of the charging port was to prevent accumulation of debris in the charging port when it was clearly a for over function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
IF, as you assert, "Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse" it would have been because that would ruin his perceived aesthetic beauty of the design. What we end up with is a design which looks horrible and is completely non-functional when charging.
Using it as a wireless mouse is literally its intended function.
Do you get this worked up about not being able to drive your car while you're filling up the fuel tank? I've got news if you're thinking about driving an EV...
*sigh* another response that just doesn't get it. I suppose if you're still breathing the smoke that Jonny blows out of his arse then it addles the brain a bit.
The wireless keyboard can be used while plugged in. Why aren't you bitching about how piss poor of a wirelesas keyboard it is since you can actually use it while it's charging?
here's a news flash for you - every wireless device needs to charge. Even an EV. The tiny difference that you don't seem to comprehend about an EV is that it actually drives miles away from the power source while a wireless mouse stays inches away so there actually is a real and legitimate use case for keeping the mouse plugged in while you use it. Now if that gawdawful cord offends your sensibilities too much then fine, you can walk away and not work while it's charging so you don't have to be bothered by its presence but I prefer to use my devices to get work done.
If your EV’s batteries are old and don’t hold a charge and take a long time to recharge, would you complain that you can’t just leave it plugged in while you drive, or would you take care of the maintenance issue so that the car functions as designed?
If I could plug in an EV car and continue driving it on a wired route but the EV manufacturer had deliberately put the port on the underside of the car making that an impossibility then sure as hell I would be complaining. The important factor that you seem to have overlooked here in your desperate grasping apologism is that computer mice and cars are ever so slightly different things.
Of course they are, and no metaphor is ever perfect, but the intended comparison is apt. MplsP described a mouse with a dysfunctional battery. That's the actual problem, not the location of the charging port. The EV comparison offers a little reductio ad absurdum to make the point that some wireless devices are better designed to not operate as a wired, tethered device. If you don't like the EV metaphor, how about a cordless drill? Why aren't those all designed so you can plug them into AC power when all your batteries are shot? Most worksites have proximate AC power, and power drills all used to be corded, so rather than replacing bum batteries (the actual problem), shouldn't wireless drill owners just complain angrily that they can't just plug them in and use them as wired devices, or should they maybe replace their defective batteries (the actual problem) in order to use their tool as intended? Note: I am aware that a wireless computer mouse and a cordless drill are different devices, so you don't need to tell me that as a way to avoid the point made by the comparison. A wireless mouse and a wireless keyboard are also not the same thing. One can operate as a stationary object and the other, by definition does not.
The thing you seem to have overlooked is that I'm not an apologist for anything. I am simply having a bit of a laff at the fist-pounding anger directed at a design issue as inconsequential as not being able to use your computer mouse for two minutes while you top it off in preparation for a day's work. You don't like that design? Fine. Buy another device. They are readily available. Demanding that the device be redesigned because you can't make it work the way it was not intended to work is a silly thing. You characterize my "desperate grasping apologism," but I would counter that there's a lot of desperate grasping criticism going on here. The reasons given for moving the charging port on the device are all seemingly inconsequential, and certainly don't warrant the anger and frustration being used to criticize the design and demand the change.
Cordless drills and cars and whatever you care to name next in your increasingly silly trolling are designed to be used some distance away from a charging port, due to either safety, or practicality, or both. Mice are not. The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience. Sure, maybe there's an occasional use case where a mouse is several metres away from a USB port, but they're not the common scenario, not at all. They are very different things from cars and drills and the "intended comparison" is ridiculous.
I did buy another device. I'm not demanding that Apple change anything, just pointing out how stupid their design is in the face of your silly defences and attempts to deflect, and that it's a factor in why I would never buy one of their mice. The reasons for the criticism are obvious, and your only response to them are "doesn't matter to me". Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not, or that you don't value your time enough to find interruptions to charge a mouse unacceptable. The fact that it doesn't matter to you isn't going to make me buy one. If you want to have a conversation, great, but being argumentative about other people's "inconsequential" (to you) frustrations, with ever more ridiculous analogies for the sake of a "laff" isn't doing anything but wasting everyone's time and marking you out as a prick.
"The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience." = "doesn't matter to me".
Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not.
Nope. Not what I said. Convenience matters to me. Troll.
It only takes a few minutes to get 8-9 hours of charge using the port on the bottom. The complaints about the location were always inane.
100%. It’s never been an issue for me. The BENEFIT of the charging port being in the bottom is nothing ever gets stuck in there. If it was on the back or front you wild over time get dirt, skin and lint stuck in the port.
What's hilarious to me is that the critics seem to think that the placement of the charging port is either some kind of mistake or a form-over-function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
The reality is that the port was put on the bottom of the mouse quite intentionally, because it's a wireless mouse, and Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse. The OG Magic Mouse had to be flipped over to swap out the batteries. It doesn't take much longer than that maneuver to get a day's charge on the rechargeable one.
It's not hard to imagine the next iteration won't have a port at all, and will simply charge via a watch charger and/or an iPhone MagSafe wireless charger. You won't be able to use it while it's charging that way, either. Whatever will people do?
What is hilarious to me is that Ive fanboys seem to thing that the placement of the charging port was to prevent accumulation of debris in the charging port when it was clearly a for over function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
IF, as you assert, "Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse" it would have been because that would ruin his perceived aesthetic beauty of the design. What we end up with is a design which looks horrible and is completely non-functional when charging.
Using it as a wireless mouse is literally its intended function.
Do you get this worked up about not being able to drive your car while you're filling up the fuel tank? I've got news if you're thinking about driving an EV...
*sigh* another response that just doesn't get it. I suppose if you're still breathing the smoke that Jonny blows out of his arse then it addles the brain a bit.
The wireless keyboard can be used while plugged in. Why aren't you bitching about how piss poor of a wirelesas keyboard it is since you can actually use it while it's charging?
here's a news flash for you - every wireless device needs to charge. Even an EV. The tiny difference that you don't seem to comprehend about an EV is that it actually drives miles away from the power source while a wireless mouse stays inches away so there actually is a real and legitimate use case for keeping the mouse plugged in while you use it. Now if that gawdawful cord offends your sensibilities too much then fine, you can walk away and not work while it's charging so you don't have to be bothered by its presence but I prefer to use my devices to get work done.
If your EV’s batteries are old and don’t hold a charge and take a long time to recharge, would you complain that you can’t just leave it plugged in while you drive, or would you take care of the maintenance issue so that the car functions as designed?
If I could plug in an EV car and continue driving it on a wired route but the EV manufacturer had deliberately put the port on the underside of the car making that an impossibility then sure as hell I would be complaining. The important factor that you seem to have overlooked here in your desperate grasping apologism is that computer mice and cars are ever so slightly different things.
Of course they are, and no metaphor is ever perfect, but the intended comparison is apt. MplsP described a mouse with a dysfunctional battery. That's the actual problem, not the location of the charging port. The EV comparison offers a little reductio ad absurdum to make the point that some wireless devices are better designed to not operate as a wired, tethered device. If you don't like the EV metaphor, how about a cordless drill? Why aren't those all designed so you can plug them into AC power when all your batteries are shot? Most worksites have proximate AC power, and power drills all used to be corded, so rather than replacing bum batteries (the actual problem), shouldn't wireless drill owners just complain angrily that they can't just plug them in and use them as wired devices, or should they maybe replace their defective batteries (the actual problem) in order to use their tool as intended? Note: I am aware that a wireless computer mouse and a cordless drill are different devices, so you don't need to tell me that as a way to avoid the point made by the comparison. A wireless mouse and a wireless keyboard are also not the same thing. One can operate as a stationary object and the other, by definition does not.
The thing you seem to have overlooked is that I'm not an apologist for anything. I am simply having a bit of a laff at the fist-pounding anger directed at a design issue as inconsequential as not being able to use your computer mouse for two minutes while you top it off in preparation for a day's work. You don't like that design? Fine. Buy another device. They are readily available. Demanding that the device be redesigned because you can't make it work the way it was not intended to work is a silly thing. You characterize my "desperate grasping apologism," but I would counter that there's a lot of desperate grasping criticism going on here. The reasons given for moving the charging port on the device are all seemingly inconsequential, and certainly don't warrant the anger and frustration being used to criticize the design and demand the change.
Cordless drills and cars and whatever you care to name next in your increasingly silly trolling are designed to be used some distance away from a charging port, due to either safety, or practicality, or both. Mice are not. The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience. Sure, maybe there's an occasional use case where a mouse is several metres away from a USB port, but they're not the common scenario, not at all. They are very different things from cars and drills and the "intended comparison" is ridiculous.
I did buy another device. I'm not demanding that Apple change anything, just pointing out how stupid their design is in the face of your silly defences and attempts to deflect, and that it's a factor in why I would never buy one of their mice. The reasons for the criticism are obvious, and your only response to them are "doesn't matter to me". Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not, or that you don't value your time enough to find interruptions to charge a mouse unacceptable. The fact that it doesn't matter to you isn't going to make me buy one. If you want to have a conversation, great, but being argumentative about other people's "inconsequential" (to you) frustrations, with ever more ridiculous analogies for the sake of a "laff" isn't doing anything but wasting everyone's time and marking you out as a prick.
"The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience." = "doesn't matter to me".
Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not.
Nope. Not what I said. Convenience matters to me. Troll.
So something that you deem “purely a convenience” doesn’t matter when it’s about other people (not having a wire attached to your computer mouse), but convenience really matters when it’s about you (having a wire attached to your computer mouse). Who exactly is the troll?
The problem is that I forget to charge my mouse and only know when the computer warns me that I'm low. Typically, this is in the middle of the day while I'm doing work. Not being able to plug in and continue forwards is a PITA. Flipping the mouse over and charging means that I have to stop what I'm doing until charged. Not feasible.
Really? Not feasible? You’re so intensively busy that you can’t spare two minutes to charge the mouse enough to finish your day? Really? You can’t get to the bathroom, have wee and get back to your desk in two minutes. Takes even longer if you wash your hands properly. It took you more than two minutes to read this thread and respond here.
You can’t spare two minutes of your day to correct your own error? You could’ve looked in Bluetooth settings on your Mac at any time to check your mouse’s battery level. If constant mousing is so mission critical, you’d think you’d have already established a fail-safe procedure to charge the mouse every night or at least every weekend to assure you’d never run into a critical two-minute road block in the middle of your busy, busy day.
Seriously, so w/in 2 minutes my mouse will have enough charge to complete my day?
The thing hold a charge for weeks but it's my fault for not anally clicking on my BT menu to check the charge of my mouse. /s Reason why I'll never buy an electric car.
My fail safe is to use my older battery version of the mouse.
Do you even read the junk you post?
Yes, you can get a day's charge on the mouse within a very short period of time. If not running out is mission critical important, you'd think you would keep an eye on the levels in order to avoid the issue. I think the widgets feature in Sonoma will let you monitor battery levels right on your desktop, which ought to make the whole thing pretty easy. You say you'll never buy an electric car because you'd need to monitor its battery charge level? Don't you watch the fuel gage on your ICE car and stop for fuel before you run out?
It only takes a few minutes to get 8-9 hours of charge using the port on the bottom. The complaints about the location were always inane.
100%. It’s never been an issue for me. The BENEFIT of the charging port being in the bottom is nothing ever gets stuck in there. If it was on the back or front you wild over time get dirt, skin and lint stuck in the port.
What's hilarious to me is that the critics seem to think that the placement of the charging port is either some kind of mistake or a form-over-function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
The reality is that the port was put on the bottom of the mouse quite intentionally, because it's a wireless mouse, and Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse. The OG Magic Mouse had to be flipped over to swap out the batteries. It doesn't take much longer than that maneuver to get a day's charge on the rechargeable one.
It's not hard to imagine the next iteration won't have a port at all, and will simply charge via a watch charger and/or an iPhone MagSafe wireless charger. You won't be able to use it while it's charging that way, either. Whatever will people do?
What is hilarious to me is that Ive fanboys seem to thing that the placement of the charging port was to prevent accumulation of debris in the charging port when it was clearly a for over function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
IF, as you assert, "Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse" it would have been because that would ruin his perceived aesthetic beauty of the design. What we end up with is a design which looks horrible and is completely non-functional when charging.
Using it as a wireless mouse is literally its intended function.
Do you get this worked up about not being able to drive your car while you're filling up the fuel tank? I've got news if you're thinking about driving an EV...
*sigh* another response that just doesn't get it. I suppose if you're still breathing the smoke that Jonny blows out of his arse then it addles the brain a bit.
The wireless keyboard can be used while plugged in. Why aren't you bitching about how piss poor of a wirelesas keyboard it is since you can actually use it while it's charging?
here's a news flash for you - every wireless device needs to charge. Even an EV. The tiny difference that you don't seem to comprehend about an EV is that it actually drives miles away from the power source while a wireless mouse stays inches away so there actually is a real and legitimate use case for keeping the mouse plugged in while you use it. Now if that gawdawful cord offends your sensibilities too much then fine, you can walk away and not work while it's charging so you don't have to be bothered by its presence but I prefer to use my devices to get work done.
If your EV’s batteries are old and don’t hold a charge and take a long time to recharge, would you complain that you can’t just leave it plugged in while you drive, or would you take care of the maintenance issue so that the car functions as designed?
If I could plug in an EV car and continue driving it on a wired route but the EV manufacturer had deliberately put the port on the underside of the car making that an impossibility then sure as hell I would be complaining. The important factor that you seem to have overlooked here in your desperate grasping apologism is that computer mice and cars are ever so slightly different things.
Of course they are, and no metaphor is ever perfect, but the intended comparison is apt. MplsP described a mouse with a dysfunctional battery. That's the actual problem, not the location of the charging port. The EV comparison offers a little reductio ad absurdum to make the point that some wireless devices are better designed to not operate as a wired, tethered device. If you don't like the EV metaphor, how about a cordless drill? Why aren't those all designed so you can plug them into AC power when all your batteries are shot? Most worksites have proximate AC power, and power drills all used to be corded, so rather than replacing bum batteries (the actual problem), shouldn't wireless drill owners just complain angrily that they can't just plug them in and use them as wired devices, or should they maybe replace their defective batteries (the actual problem) in order to use their tool as intended? Note: I am aware that a wireless computer mouse and a cordless drill are different devices, so you don't need to tell me that as a way to avoid the point made by the comparison. A wireless mouse and a wireless keyboard are also not the same thing. One can operate as a stationary object and the other, by definition does not.
The thing you seem to have overlooked is that I'm not an apologist for anything. I am simply having a bit of a laff at the fist-pounding anger directed at a design issue as inconsequential as not being able to use your computer mouse for two minutes while you top it off in preparation for a day's work. You don't like that design? Fine. Buy another device. They are readily available. Demanding that the device be redesigned because you can't make it work the way it was not intended to work is a silly thing. You characterize my "desperate grasping apologism," but I would counter that there's a lot of desperate grasping criticism going on here. The reasons given for moving the charging port on the device are all seemingly inconsequential, and certainly don't warrant the anger and frustration being used to criticize the design and demand the change.
Cordless drills and cars and whatever you care to name next in your increasingly silly trolling are designed to be used some distance away from a charging port, due to either safety, or practicality, or both. Mice are not. The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience. Sure, maybe there's an occasional use case where a mouse is several metres away from a USB port, but they're not the common scenario, not at all. They are very different things from cars and drills and the "intended comparison" is ridiculous.
I did buy another device. I'm not demanding that Apple change anything, just pointing out how stupid their design is in the face of your silly defences and attempts to deflect, and that it's a factor in why I would never buy one of their mice. The reasons for the criticism are obvious, and your only response to them are "doesn't matter to me". Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not, or that you don't value your time enough to find interruptions to charge a mouse unacceptable. The fact that it doesn't matter to you isn't going to make me buy one. If you want to have a conversation, great, but being argumentative about other people's "inconsequential" (to you) frustrations, with ever more ridiculous analogies for the sake of a "laff" isn't doing anything but wasting everyone's time and marking you out as a prick.
"The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience." = "doesn't matter to me".
Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not.
Nope. Not what I said. Convenience matters to me. Troll.
So something that you deem “purely a convenience” doesn’t matter when it’s about other people (not having a wire attached to your computer mouse), but convenience really matters when it’s about you (having a wire attached to your computer mouse). Who exactly is the troll?
What are you talking about? I've never said that the Magic Mouse should be wired. You've fallen off the cliff.
It only takes a few minutes to get 8-9 hours of charge using the port on the bottom. The complaints about the location were always inane.
100%. It’s never been an issue for me. The BENEFIT of the charging port being in the bottom is nothing ever gets stuck in there. If it was on the back or front you wild over time get dirt, skin and lint stuck in the port.
What's hilarious to me is that the critics seem to think that the placement of the charging port is either some kind of mistake or a form-over-function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
The reality is that the port was put on the bottom of the mouse quite intentionally, because it's a wireless mouse, and Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse. The OG Magic Mouse had to be flipped over to swap out the batteries. It doesn't take much longer than that maneuver to get a day's charge on the rechargeable one.
It's not hard to imagine the next iteration won't have a port at all, and will simply charge via a watch charger and/or an iPhone MagSafe wireless charger. You won't be able to use it while it's charging that way, either. Whatever will people do?
What is hilarious to me is that Ive fanboys seem to thing that the placement of the charging port was to prevent accumulation of debris in the charging port when it was clearly a for over function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
IF, as you assert, "Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse" it would have been because that would ruin his perceived aesthetic beauty of the design. What we end up with is a design which looks horrible and is completely non-functional when charging.
Using it as a wireless mouse is literally its intended function.
Do you get this worked up about not being able to drive your car while you're filling up the fuel tank? I've got news if you're thinking about driving an EV...
*sigh* another response that just doesn't get it. I suppose if you're still breathing the smoke that Jonny blows out of his arse then it addles the brain a bit.
The wireless keyboard can be used while plugged in. Why aren't you bitching about how piss poor of a wirelesas keyboard it is since you can actually use it while it's charging?
here's a news flash for you - every wireless device needs to charge. Even an EV. The tiny difference that you don't seem to comprehend about an EV is that it actually drives miles away from the power source while a wireless mouse stays inches away so there actually is a real and legitimate use case for keeping the mouse plugged in while you use it. Now if that gawdawful cord offends your sensibilities too much then fine, you can walk away and not work while it's charging so you don't have to be bothered by its presence but I prefer to use my devices to get work done.
If your EV’s batteries are old and don’t hold a charge and take a long time to recharge, would you complain that you can’t just leave it plugged in while you drive, or would you take care of the maintenance issue so that the car functions as designed?
If I could plug in an EV car and continue driving it on a wired route but the EV manufacturer had deliberately put the port on the underside of the car making that an impossibility then sure as hell I would be complaining. The important factor that you seem to have overlooked here in your desperate grasping apologism is that computer mice and cars are ever so slightly different things.
Of course they are, and no metaphor is ever perfect, but the intended comparison is apt. MplsP described a mouse with a dysfunctional battery. That's the actual problem, not the location of the charging port. The EV comparison offers a little reductio ad absurdum to make the point that some wireless devices are better designed to not operate as a wired, tethered device. If you don't like the EV metaphor, how about a cordless drill? Why aren't those all designed so you can plug them into AC power when all your batteries are shot? Most worksites have proximate AC power, and power drills all used to be corded, so rather than replacing bum batteries (the actual problem), shouldn't wireless drill owners just complain angrily that they can't just plug them in and use them as wired devices, or should they maybe replace their defective batteries (the actual problem) in order to use their tool as intended? Note: I am aware that a wireless computer mouse and a cordless drill are different devices, so you don't need to tell me that as a way to avoid the point made by the comparison. A wireless mouse and a wireless keyboard are also not the same thing. One can operate as a stationary object and the other, by definition does not.
The thing you seem to have overlooked is that I'm not an apologist for anything. I am simply having a bit of a laff at the fist-pounding anger directed at a design issue as inconsequential as not being able to use your computer mouse for two minutes while you top it off in preparation for a day's work. You don't like that design? Fine. Buy another device. They are readily available. Demanding that the device be redesigned because you can't make it work the way it was not intended to work is a silly thing. You characterize my "desperate grasping apologism," but I would counter that there's a lot of desperate grasping criticism going on here. The reasons given for moving the charging port on the device are all seemingly inconsequential, and certainly don't warrant the anger and frustration being used to criticize the design and demand the change.
Cordless drills and cars and whatever you care to name next in your increasingly silly trolling are designed to be used some distance away from a charging port, due to either safety, or practicality, or both. Mice are not. The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience. Sure, maybe there's an occasional use case where a mouse is several metres away from a USB port, but they're not the common scenario, not at all. They are very different things from cars and drills and the "intended comparison" is ridiculous.
I did buy another device. I'm not demanding that Apple change anything, just pointing out how stupid their design is in the face of your silly defences and attempts to deflect, and that it's a factor in why I would never buy one of their mice. The reasons for the criticism are obvious, and your only response to them are "doesn't matter to me". Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not, or that you don't value your time enough to find interruptions to charge a mouse unacceptable. The fact that it doesn't matter to you isn't going to make me buy one. If you want to have a conversation, great, but being argumentative about other people's "inconsequential" (to you) frustrations, with ever more ridiculous analogies for the sake of a "laff" isn't doing anything but wasting everyone's time and marking you out as a prick.
"The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience." = "doesn't matter to me".
Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not.
Nope. Not what I said. Convenience matters to me. Troll.
So something that you deem “purely a convenience” doesn’t matter when it’s about other people (not having a wire attached to your computer mouse), but convenience really matters when it’s about you (having a wire attached to your computer mouse). Who exactly is the troll?
What are you talking about? I've never said that the Magic Mouse should be wired. You've fallen off the cliff.
Nope. Not what I said. And I haven't fallen off a cliff. I'm already down here with most folks who think it's fine and reasonable to make a wireless mouse that only operates wirelessly. I just haven't clawed my way up a cliff to yell about how the thing should be redesigned so that it'll also operate as a wired mouse.
It only takes a few minutes to get 8-9 hours of charge using the port on the bottom. The complaints about the location were always inane.
100%. It’s never been an issue for me. The BENEFIT of the charging port being in the bottom is nothing ever gets stuck in there. If it was on the back or front you wild over time get dirt, skin and lint stuck in the port.
What's hilarious to me is that the critics seem to think that the placement of the charging port is either some kind of mistake or a form-over-function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
The reality is that the port was put on the bottom of the mouse quite intentionally, because it's a wireless mouse, and Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse. The OG Magic Mouse had to be flipped over to swap out the batteries. It doesn't take much longer than that maneuver to get a day's charge on the rechargeable one.
It's not hard to imagine the next iteration won't have a port at all, and will simply charge via a watch charger and/or an iPhone MagSafe wireless charger. You won't be able to use it while it's charging that way, either. Whatever will people do?
What is hilarious to me is that Ive fanboys seem to thing that the placement of the charging port was to prevent accumulation of debris in the charging port when it was clearly a for over function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
IF, as you assert, "Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse" it would have been because that would ruin his perceived aesthetic beauty of the design. What we end up with is a design which looks horrible and is completely non-functional when charging.
Using it as a wireless mouse is literally its intended function.
Do you get this worked up about not being able to drive your car while you're filling up the fuel tank? I've got news if you're thinking about driving an EV...
*sigh* another response that just doesn't get it. I suppose if you're still breathing the smoke that Jonny blows out of his arse then it addles the brain a bit.
The wireless keyboard can be used while plugged in. Why aren't you bitching about how piss poor of a wirelesas keyboard it is since you can actually use it while it's charging?
here's a news flash for you - every wireless device needs to charge. Even an EV. The tiny difference that you don't seem to comprehend about an EV is that it actually drives miles away from the power source while a wireless mouse stays inches away so there actually is a real and legitimate use case for keeping the mouse plugged in while you use it. Now if that gawdawful cord offends your sensibilities too much then fine, you can walk away and not work while it's charging so you don't have to be bothered by its presence but I prefer to use my devices to get work done.
If your EV’s batteries are old and don’t hold a charge and take a long time to recharge, would you complain that you can’t just leave it plugged in while you drive, or would you take care of the maintenance issue so that the car functions as designed?
If I could plug in an EV car and continue driving it on a wired route but the EV manufacturer had deliberately put the port on the underside of the car making that an impossibility then sure as hell I would be complaining. The important factor that you seem to have overlooked here in your desperate grasping apologism is that computer mice and cars are ever so slightly different things.
Of course they are, and no metaphor is ever perfect, but the intended comparison is apt. MplsP described a mouse with a dysfunctional battery. That's the actual problem, not the location of the charging port. The EV comparison offers a little reductio ad absurdum to make the point that some wireless devices are better designed to not operate as a wired, tethered device. If you don't like the EV metaphor, how about a cordless drill? Why aren't those all designed so you can plug them into AC power when all your batteries are shot? Most worksites have proximate AC power, and power drills all used to be corded, so rather than replacing bum batteries (the actual problem), shouldn't wireless drill owners just complain angrily that they can't just plug them in and use them as wired devices, or should they maybe replace their defective batteries (the actual problem) in order to use their tool as intended? Note: I am aware that a wireless computer mouse and a cordless drill are different devices, so you don't need to tell me that as a way to avoid the point made by the comparison. A wireless mouse and a wireless keyboard are also not the same thing. One can operate as a stationary object and the other, by definition does not.
The thing you seem to have overlooked is that I'm not an apologist for anything. I am simply having a bit of a laff at the fist-pounding anger directed at a design issue as inconsequential as not being able to use your computer mouse for two minutes while you top it off in preparation for a day's work. You don't like that design? Fine. Buy another device. They are readily available. Demanding that the device be redesigned because you can't make it work the way it was not intended to work is a silly thing. You characterize my "desperate grasping apologism," but I would counter that there's a lot of desperate grasping criticism going on here. The reasons given for moving the charging port on the device are all seemingly inconsequential, and certainly don't warrant the anger and frustration being used to criticize the design and demand the change.
Cordless drills and cars and whatever you care to name next in your increasingly silly trolling are designed to be used some distance away from a charging port, due to either safety, or practicality, or both. Mice are not. The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience. Sure, maybe there's an occasional use case where a mouse is several metres away from a USB port, but they're not the common scenario, not at all. They are very different things from cars and drills and the "intended comparison" is ridiculous.
I did buy another device. I'm not demanding that Apple change anything, just pointing out how stupid their design is in the face of your silly defences and attempts to deflect, and that it's a factor in why I would never buy one of their mice. The reasons for the criticism are obvious, and your only response to them are "doesn't matter to me". Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not, or that you don't value your time enough to find interruptions to charge a mouse unacceptable. The fact that it doesn't matter to you isn't going to make me buy one. If you want to have a conversation, great, but being argumentative about other people's "inconsequential" (to you) frustrations, with ever more ridiculous analogies for the sake of a "laff" isn't doing anything but wasting everyone's time and marking you out as a prick.
"The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience." = "doesn't matter to me".
Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not.
Nope. Not what I said. Convenience matters to me. Troll.
So something that you deem “purely a convenience” doesn’t matter when it’s about other people (not having a wire attached to your computer mouse), but convenience really matters when it’s about you (having a wire attached to your computer mouse). Who exactly is the troll?
What are you talking about? I've never said that the Magic Mouse should be wired. You've fallen off the cliff.
Nope. Not what I said. And I haven't fallen off a cliff. I'm already down here with most folks who think it's fine and reasonable to make a wireless mouse that only operates wirelessly. I just haven't clawed my way up a cliff to yell about how the thing should be redesigned so that it'll also operate as a wired mouse.
I have no idea what you're talking about then. How does changing the location of the charging port impose on your convenience?
I think you've stretched so far you've gone loopy.
It only takes a few minutes to get 8-9 hours of charge using the port on the bottom. The complaints about the location were always inane.
100%. It’s never been an issue for me. The BENEFIT of the charging port being in the bottom is nothing ever gets stuck in there. If it was on the back or front you wild over time get dirt, skin and lint stuck in the port.
What's hilarious to me is that the critics seem to think that the placement of the charging port is either some kind of mistake or a form-over-function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
The reality is that the port was put on the bottom of the mouse quite intentionally, because it's a wireless mouse, and Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse. The OG Magic Mouse had to be flipped over to swap out the batteries. It doesn't take much longer than that maneuver to get a day's charge on the rechargeable one.
It's not hard to imagine the next iteration won't have a port at all, and will simply charge via a watch charger and/or an iPhone MagSafe wireless charger. You won't be able to use it while it's charging that way, either. Whatever will people do?
What is hilarious to me is that Ive fanboys seem to thing that the placement of the charging port was to prevent accumulation of debris in the charging port when it was clearly a for over function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
IF, as you assert, "Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse" it would have been because that would ruin his perceived aesthetic beauty of the design. What we end up with is a design which looks horrible and is completely non-functional when charging.
Using it as a wireless mouse is literally its intended function.
Do you get this worked up about not being able to drive your car while you're filling up the fuel tank? I've got news if you're thinking about driving an EV...
*sigh* another response that just doesn't get it. I suppose if you're still breathing the smoke that Jonny blows out of his arse then it addles the brain a bit.
The wireless keyboard can be used while plugged in. Why aren't you bitching about how piss poor of a wirelesas keyboard it is since you can actually use it while it's charging?
here's a news flash for you - every wireless device needs to charge. Even an EV. The tiny difference that you don't seem to comprehend about an EV is that it actually drives miles away from the power source while a wireless mouse stays inches away so there actually is a real and legitimate use case for keeping the mouse plugged in while you use it. Now if that gawdawful cord offends your sensibilities too much then fine, you can walk away and not work while it's charging so you don't have to be bothered by its presence but I prefer to use my devices to get work done.
If your EV’s batteries are old and don’t hold a charge and take a long time to recharge, would you complain that you can’t just leave it plugged in while you drive, or would you take care of the maintenance issue so that the car functions as designed?
If I could plug in an EV car and continue driving it on a wired route but the EV manufacturer had deliberately put the port on the underside of the car making that an impossibility then sure as hell I would be complaining. The important factor that you seem to have overlooked here in your desperate grasping apologism is that computer mice and cars are ever so slightly different things.
Of course they are, and no metaphor is ever perfect, but the intended comparison is apt. MplsP described a mouse with a dysfunctional battery. That's the actual problem, not the location of the charging port. The EV comparison offers a little reductio ad absurdum to make the point that some wireless devices are better designed to not operate as a wired, tethered device. If you don't like the EV metaphor, how about a cordless drill? Why aren't those all designed so you can plug them into AC power when all your batteries are shot? Most worksites have proximate AC power, and power drills all used to be corded, so rather than replacing bum batteries (the actual problem), shouldn't wireless drill owners just complain angrily that they can't just plug them in and use them as wired devices, or should they maybe replace their defective batteries (the actual problem) in order to use their tool as intended? Note: I am aware that a wireless computer mouse and a cordless drill are different devices, so you don't need to tell me that as a way to avoid the point made by the comparison. A wireless mouse and a wireless keyboard are also not the same thing. One can operate as a stationary object and the other, by definition does not.
The thing you seem to have overlooked is that I'm not an apologist for anything. I am simply having a bit of a laff at the fist-pounding anger directed at a design issue as inconsequential as not being able to use your computer mouse for two minutes while you top it off in preparation for a day's work. You don't like that design? Fine. Buy another device. They are readily available. Demanding that the device be redesigned because you can't make it work the way it was not intended to work is a silly thing. You characterize my "desperate grasping apologism," but I would counter that there's a lot of desperate grasping criticism going on here. The reasons given for moving the charging port on the device are all seemingly inconsequential, and certainly don't warrant the anger and frustration being used to criticize the design and demand the change.
Cordless drills and cars and whatever you care to name next in your increasingly silly trolling are designed to be used some distance away from a charging port, due to either safety, or practicality, or both. Mice are not. The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience. Sure, maybe there's an occasional use case where a mouse is several metres away from a USB port, but they're not the common scenario, not at all. They are very different things from cars and drills and the "intended comparison" is ridiculous.
I did buy another device. I'm not demanding that Apple change anything, just pointing out how stupid their design is in the face of your silly defences and attempts to deflect, and that it's a factor in why I would never buy one of their mice. The reasons for the criticism are obvious, and your only response to them are "doesn't matter to me". Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not, or that you don't value your time enough to find interruptions to charge a mouse unacceptable. The fact that it doesn't matter to you isn't going to make me buy one. If you want to have a conversation, great, but being argumentative about other people's "inconsequential" (to you) frustrations, with ever more ridiculous analogies for the sake of a "laff" isn't doing anything but wasting everyone's time and marking you out as a prick.
"The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience." = "doesn't matter to me".
Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not.
Nope. Not what I said. Convenience matters to me. Troll.
So something that you deem “purely a convenience” doesn’t matter when it’s about other people (not having a wire attached to your computer mouse), but convenience really matters when it’s about you (having a wire attached to your computer mouse). Who exactly is the troll?
What are you talking about? I've never said that the Magic Mouse should be wired. You've fallen off the cliff.
Nope. Not what I said. And I haven't fallen off a cliff. I'm already down here with most folks who think it's fine and reasonable to make a wireless mouse that only operates wirelessly. I just haven't clawed my way up a cliff to yell about how the thing should be redesigned so that it'll also operate as a wired mouse.
I have no idea what you're talking about then. How does changing the location of the charging port impose on your convenience?
I think you've stretched so far you've gone loopy.
And I think all you’ve got to offer is various ad hominem insults, so good luck to you on your campaign to get Apple to change the design of its wireless mouse just so you can think you’re saving two minutes of your very important time.
It only takes a few minutes to get 8-9 hours of charge using the port on the bottom. The complaints about the location were always inane.
100%. It’s never been an issue for me. The BENEFIT of the charging port being in the bottom is nothing ever gets stuck in there. If it was on the back or front you wild over time get dirt, skin and lint stuck in the port.
What's hilarious to me is that the critics seem to think that the placement of the charging port is either some kind of mistake or a form-over-function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
The reality is that the port was put on the bottom of the mouse quite intentionally, because it's a wireless mouse, and Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse. The OG Magic Mouse had to be flipped over to swap out the batteries. It doesn't take much longer than that maneuver to get a day's charge on the rechargeable one.
It's not hard to imagine the next iteration won't have a port at all, and will simply charge via a watch charger and/or an iPhone MagSafe wireless charger. You won't be able to use it while it's charging that way, either. Whatever will people do?
What is hilarious to me is that Ive fanboys seem to thing that the placement of the charging port was to prevent accumulation of debris in the charging port when it was clearly a for over function decision to not have a visible hole mucking up the sleek design.
IF, as you assert, "Ive didn't want users to leave it plugged in, using it as if it were a wired mouse" it would have been because that would ruin his perceived aesthetic beauty of the design. What we end up with is a design which looks horrible and is completely non-functional when charging.
Using it as a wireless mouse is literally its intended function.
Do you get this worked up about not being able to drive your car while you're filling up the fuel tank? I've got news if you're thinking about driving an EV...
*sigh* another response that just doesn't get it. I suppose if you're still breathing the smoke that Jonny blows out of his arse then it addles the brain a bit.
The wireless keyboard can be used while plugged in. Why aren't you bitching about how piss poor of a wirelesas keyboard it is since you can actually use it while it's charging?
here's a news flash for you - every wireless device needs to charge. Even an EV. The tiny difference that you don't seem to comprehend about an EV is that it actually drives miles away from the power source while a wireless mouse stays inches away so there actually is a real and legitimate use case for keeping the mouse plugged in while you use it. Now if that gawdawful cord offends your sensibilities too much then fine, you can walk away and not work while it's charging so you don't have to be bothered by its presence but I prefer to use my devices to get work done.
If your EV’s batteries are old and don’t hold a charge and take a long time to recharge, would you complain that you can’t just leave it plugged in while you drive, or would you take care of the maintenance issue so that the car functions as designed?
If I could plug in an EV car and continue driving it on a wired route but the EV manufacturer had deliberately put the port on the underside of the car making that an impossibility then sure as hell I would be complaining. The important factor that you seem to have overlooked here in your desperate grasping apologism is that computer mice and cars are ever so slightly different things.
Of course they are, and no metaphor is ever perfect, but the intended comparison is apt. MplsP described a mouse with a dysfunctional battery. That's the actual problem, not the location of the charging port. The EV comparison offers a little reductio ad absurdum to make the point that some wireless devices are better designed to not operate as a wired, tethered device. If you don't like the EV metaphor, how about a cordless drill? Why aren't those all designed so you can plug them into AC power when all your batteries are shot? Most worksites have proximate AC power, and power drills all used to be corded, so rather than replacing bum batteries (the actual problem), shouldn't wireless drill owners just complain angrily that they can't just plug them in and use them as wired devices, or should they maybe replace their defective batteries (the actual problem) in order to use their tool as intended? Note: I am aware that a wireless computer mouse and a cordless drill are different devices, so you don't need to tell me that as a way to avoid the point made by the comparison. A wireless mouse and a wireless keyboard are also not the same thing. One can operate as a stationary object and the other, by definition does not.
The thing you seem to have overlooked is that I'm not an apologist for anything. I am simply having a bit of a laff at the fist-pounding anger directed at a design issue as inconsequential as not being able to use your computer mouse for two minutes while you top it off in preparation for a day's work. You don't like that design? Fine. Buy another device. They are readily available. Demanding that the device be redesigned because you can't make it work the way it was not intended to work is a silly thing. You characterize my "desperate grasping apologism," but I would counter that there's a lot of desperate grasping criticism going on here. The reasons given for moving the charging port on the device are all seemingly inconsequential, and certainly don't warrant the anger and frustration being used to criticize the design and demand the change.
Cordless drills and cars and whatever you care to name next in your increasingly silly trolling are designed to be used some distance away from a charging port, due to either safety, or practicality, or both. Mice are not. The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience. Sure, maybe there's an occasional use case where a mouse is several metres away from a USB port, but they're not the common scenario, not at all. They are very different things from cars and drills and the "intended comparison" is ridiculous.
I did buy another device. I'm not demanding that Apple change anything, just pointing out how stupid their design is in the face of your silly defences and attempts to deflect, and that it's a factor in why I would never buy one of their mice. The reasons for the criticism are obvious, and your only response to them are "doesn't matter to me". Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not, or that you don't value your time enough to find interruptions to charge a mouse unacceptable. The fact that it doesn't matter to you isn't going to make me buy one. If you want to have a conversation, great, but being argumentative about other people's "inconsequential" (to you) frustrations, with ever more ridiculous analogies for the sake of a "laff" isn't doing anything but wasting everyone's time and marking you out as a prick.
"The absence of a wire on a mouse is almost purely a convenience." = "doesn't matter to me".
Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not.
Nope. Not what I said. Convenience matters to me. Troll.
So something that you deem “purely a convenience” doesn’t matter when it’s about other people (not having a wire attached to your computer mouse), but convenience really matters when it’s about you (having a wire attached to your computer mouse). Who exactly is the troll?
What are you talking about? I've never said that the Magic Mouse should be wired. You've fallen off the cliff.
Nope. Not what I said. And I haven't fallen off a cliff. I'm already down here with most folks who think it's fine and reasonable to make a wireless mouse that only operates wirelessly. I just haven't clawed my way up a cliff to yell about how the thing should be redesigned so that it'll also operate as a wired mouse.
I have no idea what you're talking about then. How does changing the location of the charging port impose on your convenience?
I think you've stretched so far you've gone loopy.
And I think all you’ve got to offer is various ad hominem insults, so good luck to you on your campaign to get Apple to change the design of its wireless mouse just so you can think you’re saving two minutes of your very important time.
Avoided answering the question there I see. It's certainly easier to divert attention onto the other person than it is to explain yourself when you're saying such daft things.
No campaign, I have a very fine non-Apple mouse that I like and will enjoy using for many years to come, bother wired and wireless. What Apple does with its mouse is practically immaterial to me, I just think they look dumb for their decisions and will occasionally say so, since I prefer it when Apple doesn't look dumb. While it seems like others love Apple so blindly that they'll embrace even the occasional dumbness with their heart and soul.
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Yeah, my use of the Logitech Master range is so compromised by the charging port always getting in the way
Absolutely laughable excuses.
The thing you seem to have overlooked is that I'm not an apologist for anything. I am simply having a bit of a laff at the fist-pounding anger directed at a design issue as inconsequential as not being able to use your computer mouse for two minutes while you top it off in preparation for a day's work. You don't like that design? Fine. Buy another device. They are readily available. Demanding that the device be redesigned because you can't make it work the way it was not intended to work is a silly thing. You characterize my "desperate grasping apologism," but I would counter that there's a lot of desperate grasping criticism going on here. The reasons given for moving the charging port on the device are all seemingly inconsequential, and certainly don't warrant the anger and frustration being used to criticize the design and demand the change.
I did buy another device. I'm not demanding that Apple change anything, just pointing out how stupid their design is in the face of your silly defences and attempts to deflect, and that it's a factor in why I would never buy one of their mice. The reasons for the criticism are obvious, and your only response to them are "doesn't matter to me". Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not, or that you don't value your time enough to find interruptions to charge a mouse unacceptable. The fact that it doesn't matter to you isn't going to make me buy one. If you want to have a conversation, great, but being argumentative about other people's "inconsequential" (to you) frustrations, with ever more ridiculous analogies for the sake of a "laff" isn't doing anything but wasting everyone's time and marking you out as a prick.
The thing hold a charge for weeks but it's my fault for not anally clicking on my BT menu to check the charge of my mouse. /s Reason why I'll never buy an electric car.
My fail safe is to use my older battery version of the mouse.
Do you even read the junk you post?
Fine, your opinion is noted. No one much cares if it matters to you or not.
I think you've stretched so far you've gone loopy.
No campaign, I have a very fine non-Apple mouse that I like and will enjoy using for many years to come, bother wired and wireless. What Apple does with its mouse is practically immaterial to me, I just think they look dumb for their decisions and will occasionally say so, since I prefer it when Apple doesn't look dumb. While it seems like others love Apple so blindly that they'll embrace even the occasional dumbness with their heart and soul.