Sit or stand: What to think about when using Apple Vision Pro

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Choosing to sit or to stand while using the Apple Vision Pro, or any other headset, will depend on a number of factors. Here's what to consider when trying to decide the best way to consume content in VR or MR.

A man sitting to watch video using Apple Vision Pro.
A man sitting to watch video using Apple Vision Pro.



The arrival of the Apple Vision Pro will bring with it a new wave of users who haven't spent much time in a virtual reality or mixed-reality headset. Those with experience will take to Apple's headset very quickly, but people unused to the 3D experience will have a fair bit more of a learning experience at first.

One thing to learn is how they will want to actually use the headset in practice. Specifically, if they should be standing up for the experience or sitting down.

Thankfully, because VR has been around for quite a few years in the gaming scene, there is a lot already discussed online about the ways VR should be used.

While the way the user actually stands or sits for a VR or MR experience will be down to preference, there are quite a few things that should be considered before making that decision.

Apple Vision Pro leans towards seated



The first thing that should be mentioned is that Apple appears to be extremely pro-seated when it comes to the Apple Vision Pro. In the vast majority of media it has put out about the headset, the users are typically sitting down, often in a comfy chair, consuming content playing out right in front of them.

This is in stark contrast to years of marketing for VR headsets where the user is actively moving around, dynamically shifting their limbs and body as part of an intense activity, such as a game.

An exaggerated example of Apple Vision Pro seated consumption.
An exaggerated example of Apple Vision Pro seated consumption.



For the most part, Apple offers a generally more passive consumption experience at the start, with no pressure for the user to be standing at all. They can, but Apple's seemingly hoping that people just don't.

To a point, this is actually a smart move. Not least because the last thing anyone wants is to destroy $3,500 of headset on their first day of ownership.

If a person's sitting down, there's less chance of them coming into contact with other things, except stuff in their immediate vicinity. In the middle of a couch, as Apple has aptly demonstrated, there's little to hit apart from soft cushions if your vision is impeded by on-screen content.

Keeping a person still also helps reduce the chance of motion sickness, which can quickly ruin a virtual experience.

Then there's the ability to use the headset for longer while reclined in a comfy seat. If you're standing up, you will find long VR usage periods to be a bit of a workout, or at least fairly tiring.

Apple's passive consumption also extends to the advice it gives to developers when designing visionOS apps. Apple advises to consider the ergonomics of the user, to the level of placing content relative to the wearer's head, "regardless of the person's height or whether they're sitting, standing, or lying down."

In Apple's words, "visionOS brings content to people - instead of making people move to reach content."

Of course, Apple Vision Pro is only in its early days of existence, and Apple will want to play it safe. Down the road, developers will want to introduce more intensive and involving experiences, more in line with the rest of the VR headset industry.

Apple Vision Pro seated: Couch slouching



Using a VR or AR headset while seated can be one of the most passive ways of using the hardware. Of course, that "can" could become an "is" in that statement depending on how you're seated.

Starting with the couch example, you're probably going to be sat all the way back in the chair, relaxing your back and body on cushioning, just like you're watching a movie or TV show marathon. Minimal movement is the order of the day, save for occasional head movements and hand gestures as you consume content.

This is low impact on the body and one of the safest ways to use the headset. You're not going to fall over that easily, nor is there a chance of you hitting something that you can't see when you're fully immersed.

Couch slouching is ideal for passive Apple Vision Pro content consumption.
Couch slouching is ideal for passive Apple Vision Pro content consumption.



You could hit things that are nearby with your arms outstretched, but the chances are slim that you'll do so. With Apple Vision Pro doing things like showing people entering your field of vision, as well as vaguely similar features in other headsets, there's only a minimal chance you could blindly elbow someone if they decided to sit right next to you.

The trade-off of this comfortable seated arrangement is a reduced capability to be interactive with the content you're actually using. Any future room-scale experiences will be difficult to use when slouched, with many things inaccessible if the apps expect you to reach out in 3D space to where the thing is.

Then again, for consumption-only content like streaming with interactive menus and minimal need to move your arms, the slouched approach works just fine.

Apple Vision Pro upright seated: Office chairs and desks



An intermediary position between slouched down and standing up, sitting upright gives you the best of both worlds. This can take the form of sitting forward on a couch, or even using an office chair with an upright back.

In both cases, you have a lot more range of motion available to you, including twisting your back, allowing you to see behind you for some experiences. For an office chair, you could even spin around on the spot.

Sitting up also means there's more opportunity to interact with the world, and an assumption you will move your arms and hands around. This means users can use more interactive elements in apps and even games.

For any application where you expect to do something, be it productivity-wise or for entertainment, this is a better option than the passive couch.

However, with a greater degree of movement, there's an increased risk of damage to you or your surroundings. You will have greater reach into your environment and therefore need more space for safety.

You could use Apple Vision Pro or a headset at a desk, just be careful of hitting your hardware.
You could use Apple Vision Pro or a headset at a desk, just be careful of hitting your hardware.



This also plays into another advantage of sitting up and office chairs: the ability to use desks. Since you can use the Vision Pro as a virtual display for a nearby Mac, it makes sense to use it where you would often type on things like a real-world keyboard.

Be forewarned that you should avoid the temptation of turning up the Digital Crown to increase the immersiveness when at a desk, as you will need to rely on the real-world view of your desktop there. At least one AppleInsider writer has blindly punched a desk lamp while using a VR headset at their desk, and no one wants to damage expensive displays or other desk ornaments, either.

Sitting upright does have its downsides compared to slouching. For a start, you're carrying more of the weight of the headset on your neck, which can start to hurt over time.

With more mobility, you can also expect to be a bit tired after a long session of usage, though not as much as if you are standing.

Apple Vision Pro: Standing up



The full-blown VR and AR experience has users walking around a room and interacting with objects and environments from a variety of different angles. To do that, you should be standing and moving about.

Earlier headsets made this difficult or limiting in various ways, such as tethering users to a computer and limiting their range of motion. Early pass-through views were enough to keep a user aware of their surroundings, but modern-day versions as demonstrated by the Apple Vision Pro are more fully-featured, making things a lot safer.

For modern headsets, room-scale VR and AR without wire limitations are more plausible. For the Apple Vision Pro, that's especially so.

Ensure you have enough space around you when standing with an Apple Vision Pro or other headsets.
Ensure you have enough space around you when standing with an Apple Vision Pro or other headsets.



Standing or walking around the room does introduce more risks and challenges over sitting, including a significantly greater chance of hitting something or someone, falling over, or breaking your hardware.

This is where pass-through modes come into play since they can help users see what's in their way.

Of course, the best thing to do is to clear an area or have a large empty space to use the headset without any potentially damaging or harmful things nearby in the first place. The reality of home dwellings being filled with possessions makes that hard for many, but a basic effort here is useful.

Depending on the app, you may not need to create that much space at all. Existing VR games and experiences include mechanisms to move around a virtual space without necessarily requiring users to physically move around, which can carry forward into Apple Vision Pro games and apps.

For fully immersive games where it is expected for users to walk around a virtual room, it may be better for users to actually stand in one spot than to risk blindly walking into furniture or tripping over a pet.

In any instances where you should be walking around an object, it is best to enable a pass-through view.

Standing and moving around will also be more tiring, and will limit your capability to enjoy an experience, depending on your fitness level, time of usage, and what the app expects you to do. But these are all expected given the overall experience you'd be going through.

How immersive do you want to go?



The decision of whether or not to slouch on a couch or to stand up when using the Apple Vision Pro or any other headset will depend on what the app or experience requires of you, and how much effort you actually want to put into it.

If it's a purely consumption-based app that needs as much as a flick of the eyes and a tap of the fingers to watch a film on a streaming service, there's little actual need to do anything more than sit and enjoy it.

For experiences with more interactivity, sitting upright or standing will be better options in general. For intensive gaming or experiences that require a lot of movement, it's probably better to stand rather than to sit in many cases.

In all cases, make sure that you will not endanger yourself, others, or inanimate objects regardless of your posture. Be that by getting to a safe spot or by using pass-through to be more aware of your surroundings.

The many photographs of broken televisions from playing the Nintendo Wii has taught gamers that physical safety is paramount. Follow their lead, mind how you sit or stand, and you'll have a great and hopefully safe Apple Vision Pro experience.



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  • Reply 1 of 22
    I’ve always assumed that I would be sitting down on a couch while using it.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 22
    thttht Posts: 5,452member
    Sitting.

    Standing while working is overrated. Well, I should say I was simply better off with doing a workout and sitting versus standing all day.

    Still don't get that doing a workout is a "feature" for Meta Quest devices. Sure, if it was 25 °F, but at regular room temperatures? Craziness.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 22
    I'll be reclining in my OHCO massage chair....

     But I can see in the future using it for Apple Fitness + sessions....

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 22
    BS, disengenuos & evasive BS artists. Apple never mention the required battery pack.
    The One Part of the Vision Pro That Apple Doesn’t Want You to See | WIRED
  • Reply 5 of 22
    thttht Posts: 5,452member
    RigiDigi said:
    BS, disengenuos & evasive BS artists. Apple never mention the required battery pack.
    The One Part of the Vision Pro That Apple Doesn’t Want You to See | WIRED
    This sounds like the typical media activity of trying to drum up some drama during an Apple product launch. 

    ForumPostAlex1Nwatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 6 of 22
    RigiDigi said:
    BS, disengenuos & evasive BS artists. Apple never mention the required battery pack.
    The One Part of the Vision Pro That Apple Doesn’t Want You to See | WIRED
    It was featured in the introductory keynote. 


    edited January 21 Alex1Nwatto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 7 of 22
    Alex1NAlex1N Posts: 132member
    Building up slowly - a little at a time but increasing - to strengthen neck muscles would be a very good approach. For those complaining that they want to use it now, right now, have some patience. Remember that?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 22
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,376member
    Does the Apple Vision Pro allow the user to set boundaries based on the physical room the user is in to avoid obstacles like furniture, decorations, stairs, walls, etc? The Meta Quest has such a feature and it warns the wearer if they stray too close to the boundaries. Seems like this feature would be a requirement on this class of product.

    I hesitate to bring it up, but most of the pictures and mock-ups of people using the Apple Vision Pro that I’ve seen so far are at risk of driving home the point that using the Apple Vision Pro just might be a very solitary and isolated experience. I suppose virtual interaction with other humans and animals can take place inside the virtual world. Apple will have to come up with messaging and advertising that creates a perception that the Apple Vision Pro can be used to connect with others, perhaps in ways that were not previously possible. The current crop of pictures sends the following message: Are you lonely? Have no friends? Have a lot of money to spend? Today is your lucky day! Apple has a product just for you!

    At least the lonely woman sitting on the sofa doesn’t have to share her popcorn with anyone else. I bet the sofa and floor will be covered with loose popcorn in no time flat if she tries eating while wearing the headset.
    edited January 22 muthuk_vanalingamgatorguywatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 22
    thttht Posts: 5,452member
    dewme said:
    Does the Apple Vision Pro allow the user to set boundaries based on the physical room the user is in to avoid obstacles like furniture, decorations, stairs, walls, etc? The Meta Quest has such a feature and it warns the wearer if they stray too close to the boundaries. Seems like this feature would be a requirement on this class of product.

    I hesitate to bring it up, but most of the pictures and mock-ups of people using the Apple Vision Pro that I’ve seen so far are at risk of driving home the point that using the Apple Vision Pro just might be a very solitary and isolated experience. I suppose virtual interaction with other humans and animals can take place inside the virtual world. Apple will have to come up with messaging and advertising that creates a perception that the Apple Vision Pro can be used to connect with others, perhaps in ways that were not previously possible. The current crop of pictures sends the following message: Are you lonely? Have no friends? Have a lot of money to spend? Today is your lucky day! Apple has a product just for you!

    At least the lonely guy sitting on the sofa doesn’t have to share his popcorn with anyone else. I bet the sofa and floor will be covered with loose popcorn in no time flat if he tries eating while wearing the headset.
    The VP is a pass-through video headset. You can walk, run if you wish, with it anywhere you want while in AR mode or the pass-through mode.

    For VR mode or full immersion or full environment whatever it is called, Apple has about a 5 foot radius of movement, before it auto brings you out. I think. I presume VR apps will be able to set their own boundaries eventually. There's going to be liability stuff that will prevent Apple from saying users can do this or that stupid thing, so you aren't going to hear it from them on the more sporty stuff. If the headset auto-detects furniture right next to you, I assume it will prevent VR mode from working. In airplane mode, it seems to turn off some of the safeties for you to sit in an airplane to use, maybe even a car. I can't imagine Apple will let you get up and walk while in an airplane while in VR mode. It's going to break out and go into AR mode as soon as it detects you getting up.

    It's pass-through AR and Apple put in a front facing display, both things are definitely a lot more social than existing headsets. It's designed for face-to-face interaction. Eventually, there will be people walking around with them, interacting with people like it's normal. There will be apps that does things like auto subtitling for people you talk to, and if real-time speech-to-text works, real-time translation will work to. Literally, you see someone talking and subtitles of their speech is right next to them. If the cameras get good enough, you could have zoom and magnification views. So, it could prove useful for stadium events, or people needing to read small text wherever they are.

    What's holding it back is wearability and runtime. You have to presume those will come. The EyeSight feature can get better. If they double the density of the lenticular display, double the polygons for your persona, and reduce the latency, the illusion will get more convincing. It may get good enough where you could barely tell, especially if AirPods can sense jaw movement. Would be interesting if it had a flashlight, longer range IR/LiDAR, etc. Like, for doing house, plumbing or electrical work.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 22
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,376member
    tht said:
    dewme said:
    Does the Apple Vision Pro allow the user to set boundaries based on the physical room the user is in to avoid obstacles like furniture, decorations, stairs, walls, etc? The Meta Quest has such a feature and it warns the wearer if they stray too close to the boundaries. Seems like this feature would be a requirement on this class of product.

    I hesitate to bring it up, but most of the pictures and mock-ups of people using the Apple Vision Pro that I’ve seen so far are at risk of driving home the point that using the Apple Vision Pro just might be a very solitary and isolated experience. I suppose virtual interaction with other humans and animals can take place inside the virtual world. Apple will have to come up with messaging and advertising that creates a perception that the Apple Vision Pro can be used to connect with others, perhaps in ways that were not previously possible. The current crop of pictures sends the following message: Are you lonely? Have no friends? Have a lot of money to spend? Today is your lucky day! Apple has a product just for you!

    At least the lonely guy sitting on the sofa doesn’t have to share his popcorn with anyone else. I bet the sofa and floor will be covered with loose popcorn in no time flat if he tries eating while wearing the headset.
    The VP is a pass-through video headset. You can walk, run if you wish, with it anywhere you want while in AR mode or the pass-through mode.

    For VR mode or full immersion or full environment whatever it is called, Apple has about a 5 foot radius of movement, before it auto brings you out. I think. I presume VR apps will be able to set their own boundaries eventually. There's going to be liability stuff that will prevent Apple from saying users can do this or that stupid thing, so you aren't going to hear it from them on the more sporty stuff. If the headset auto-detects furniture right next to you, I assume it will prevent VR mode from working. In airplane mode, it seems to turn off some of the safeties for you to sit in an airplane to use, maybe even a car. I can't imagine Apple will let you get up and walk while in an airplane while in VR mode. It's going to break out and go into AR mode as soon as it detects you getting up.

    It's pass-through AR and Apple put in a front facing display, both things are definitely a lot more social than existing headsets. It's designed for face-to-face interaction. Eventually, there will be people walking around with them, interacting with people like it's normal. There will be apps that does things like auto subtitling for people you talk to, and if real-time speech-to-text works, real-time translation will work to. Literally, you see someone talking and subtitles of their speech is right next to them. If the cameras get good enough, you could have zoom and magnification views. So, it could prove useful for stadium events, or people needing to read small text wherever they are.

    What's holding it back is wearability and runtime. You have to presume those will come. The EyeSight feature can get better. If they double the density of the lenticular display, double the polygons for your persona, and reduce the latency, the illusion will get more convincing. It may get good enough where you could barely tell, especially if AirPods can sense jaw movement. Would be interesting if it had a flashlight, longer range IR/LiDAR, etc. Like, for doing house, plumbing or electrical work.
    Whoa. So you’re saying the Vision Pro is going to transform us into Minions? A vision of people walking around in public with these things strapped to their face is disturbing. Perhaps with huge advances to the form factor the Minionization of humans will be less dystopian. Sigh. 
    jony0
  • Reply 11 of 22
    dewme said:
    Does the Apple Vision Pro allow the user to set boundaries based on the physical room the user is in to avoid obstacles like furniture, decorations, stairs, walls, etc? The Meta Quest has such a feature and it warns the wearer if they stray too close to the boundaries. Seems like this feature would be a requirement on this class of product.

    I hesitate to bring it up, but most of the pictures and mock-ups of people using the Apple Vision Pro that I’ve seen so far are at risk of driving home the point that using the Apple Vision Pro just might be a very solitary and isolated experience. I suppose virtual interaction with other humans and animals can take place inside the virtual world. Apple will have to come up with messaging and advertising that creates a perception that the Apple Vision Pro can be used to connect with others, perhaps in ways that were not previously possible. The current crop of pictures sends the following message: Are you lonely? Have no friends? Have a lot of money to spend? Today is your lucky day! Apple has a product just for you!

    At least the lonely woman sitting on the sofa doesn’t have to share her popcorn with anyone else. I bet the sofa and floor will be covered with loose popcorn in no time flat if she tries eating while wearing the headset.
    The picture of the “lonely woman” is a screen shot from the introducing and in the same scene a person sits down next to her and she turns to interact with them. So  really not so lonely. The intro video show a bit of people interacting with others. The guy at work and the somewhat crepey after filming his kids playing. That I said it remains to be seen how well the pass through works and what people’s tolerance is for interacting while wearing one. They have also show a bunch of ways to interact with people virtually. Basically the same options we have on other devices.

    I don’t see how it is any more solitary or isolating than using a Mac, iPhone or iPad. I don’t see how your example of the woman sitting around and having a case of the sads would be any different if she had a Mac on her lap. Should would still be alone and focused on what she is doing. I guess people can all crowd around a different device,  but it isn’t how I personally use them. I use the device to focus on whatever task I am doing and then if I need to interact with a person I stop using it and pay attention to the person. Seems like VP would function the same way. 
    edited January 22 thtwatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 22
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,376member

    The picture of the “lonely woman” is a screen shot from the introducing and in the same scene a person sits down next to her and she turns to interact with them. So  really not so lonely. The intro video show a bit of people interacting with others. The guy at work and the somewhat crepey after filming his kids playing. That I said it remains to be seen how well the pass through works and what people’s tolerance is for interacting while wearing one. They have also show a bunch of ways to interact with people virtually. Basically the same options we have on other devices.

    I don’t see how it is any more solitary or isolating than using a Mac, iPhone or iPad. I don’t see how your example of the woman sitting around and having a case of the sads would be any different if she had a Mac on her lap. Should would still be alone and focused on what she is doing. I guess people can all crowd around a different device,  but it isn’t how I personally use them. I use the device to focus on whatever task I am doing and then if I need to interact with a person I stop using it and pay attention to the person. Seems like VP would function the same way. 
    All good points. There’s just something about seeing someone sitting there with a device strapped to their face that feels so weird, at least to me. Humans are finely attuned to faces and blocking the face obscures a fundamental mechanism humans rely on for human interaction. 

    It’s going to take a period of adjustment to get used to this type of device showing up in public and to see it as socially acceptable. Like I’ve said since the details about the VP started rolling out, there’s not really anything to compare the VP to and its purpose is not obvious to many of us. 
    edited January 22 muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 22
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    RigiDigi said:
    BS, disengenuos & evasive BS artists. Apple never mention the required battery pack.
    The One Part of the Vision Pro That Apple Doesn’t Want You to See | WIRED
    It was featured in the introductory keynote. 


    Has it ever been shown in use? As far as I know, Apple will always use a bit of photo manipulation to delete it from any images of users wearing the Vision Pro. You  can see in some shots where the cord simply evaporates at the end, fading out with nothing attached at the bottom.  Personally I don't think there's any good reason for doing so because the battery pack is not all that big or unsightly anyway, but Apple does Apple. For whatever reason, they've decided that element should be eliminated from any photos, disguising that the Vison Pro requires a separate battery pack. 
  • Reply 14 of 22
    Sit as in 'sit out'
    M68000
  • Reply 15 of 22
    gatorguy said:
    RigiDigi said:
    BS, disengenuos & evasive BS artists. Apple never mention the required battery pack.
    The One Part of the Vision Pro That Apple Doesn’t Want You to See | WIRED
    It was featured in the introductory keynote. 


    Has it ever been shown in use? As far as I know, Apple will always use a bit of photo manipulation to delete it from any images of users wearing the Vision Pro. You  can see in some shots where the cord simply evaporates at the end, fading out with nothing attached at the bottom.  Personally I don't think there's any good reason for doing so because the battery pack is not all that big or unsightly anyway, but Apple does Apple. For whatever reason, they've decided that element should be eliminated from any photos, disguising that the Vison Pro requires a separate battery pack. 
    I don’t think I have seen any photos of it but also haven’t seen every photo or video. I also don’t see how this is in anyway different than how Apple handles its other products. MacBooks aren’t show with power adapters, the iMac’s external power adapter isn’t in the marketing pictures. All the pictures of the Mac mini, Studio Pro and Mac Pro in workspaces never show cables. Apple sells wired headphones for the IPhone but you only see AirPods in pictures. There is no boarder conspiracy here. Apple has a very clean aesthetic. It would be more surprising if Apple included the battery in the pictures. 
    watto_cobrajony0
  • Reply 16 of 22

    dewme said:

    The picture of the “lonely woman” is a screen shot from the introducing and in the same scene a person sits down next to her and she turns to interact with them. So  really not so lonely. The intro video show a bit of people interacting with others. The guy at work and the somewhat crepey after filming his kids playing. That I said it remains to be seen how well the pass through works and what people’s tolerance is for interacting while wearing one. They have also show a bunch of ways to interact with people virtually. Basically the same options we have on other devices.

    I don’t see how it is any more solitary or isolating than using a Mac, iPhone or iPad. I don’t see how your example of the woman sitting around and having a case of the sads would be any different if she had a Mac on her lap. Should would still be alone and focused on what she is doing. I guess people can all crowd around a different device,  but it isn’t how I personally use them. I use the device to focus on whatever task I am doing and then if I need to interact with a person I stop using it and pay attention to the person. Seems like VP would function the same way. 
    All good points. There’s just something about seeing someone sitting there with a device strapped to their face that feels so weird, at least to me. Humans are finely attuned to faces and blocking the face obscures a fundamental mechanism humans rely on for human interaction. 

    It’s going to take a period of adjustment to get used to this type of device showing up in public and to see it as socially acceptable. Like I’ve said since the details about the VP started rolling out, there’s not really anything to compare the VP to and its purpose is not obvious to many of us. 
    I get the not obvious part. I don’t think the impacts of allowing Apps on the iPhone were immediately obvious. It took time for developers to take advantage of the what the iPhone had to offer. Very few people first saw it and thought “ride sharing”, “dating apps”, “music recognition” and the host of things the iPhone is now super useful for that a Mac would have been terrible at. The Vision Pro is presumably good at 3D space. And since we live in a 3D world it  would seem that that has to be some application for what it does well. The obvious thing I can think of is land survey. Using Lidar you can remove foliage for pictures and video of land and see what is underneath it. I would think being able to wear them out when doing land survey would have be useful for several fields of work. I have a friend that works with the BLM. They do microtonal bird surveys where they have to look up and count the birds as they fly by. It seems reasonable that VP with lidar, video and the neural engine could help with that. Yeah the iPad has all of that but hold it up vs something you wear is a big different. Or with the immersive nature of it, it could be wonderful for people with disabilities involving mobility. Being able to see and experience things in a different way. I could ramble on. Does any of that mean it will actually work or developers will exploit what it is good at? I have no idea, but the use case of portable computing that excels at 3D space seems to have some obvious advantages over current computing devices. I think the problem with VP is the same as it was with the iPhone. People looked at it and said “it can’t do I do with my computer better” and that was correct but  those people missed the part where the iPhone could do things that their computer didn’t do or wouldn’t have done well. Does anyone use a computer to request an Uber? Nope. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 22
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    gatorguy said:
    RigiDigi said:
    BS, disengenuos & evasive BS artists. Apple never mention the required battery pack.
    The One Part of the Vision Pro That Apple Doesn’t Want You to See | WIRED
    It was featured in the introductory keynote. 


    Has it ever been shown in use? As far as I know, Apple will always use a bit of photo manipulation to delete it from any images of users wearing the Vision Pro. You  can see in some shots where the cord simply evaporates at the end, fading out with nothing attached at the bottom.  Personally I don't think there's any good reason for doing so because the battery pack is not all that big or unsightly anyway, but Apple does Apple. For whatever reason, they've decided that element should be eliminated from any photos, disguising that the Vison Pro requires a separate battery pack. 
    I don’t think I have seen any photos of it but also haven’t seen every photo or video. I also don’t see how this is in anyway different than how Apple handles its other products. MacBooks aren’t show with power adapters, the iMac’s external power adapter isn’t in the marketing pictures. All the pictures of the Mac mini, Studio Pro and Mac Pro in workspaces never show cables. Apple sells wired headphones for the IPhone but you only see AirPods in pictures. There is no boarder conspiracy here. Apple has a very clean aesthetic. It would be more surprising if Apple included the battery in the pictures. 
    Since the Vision Pro can't be used without the battery pack, it's slightly dishonest to imply it is not integral, but you and I agree about the consistency: Apple being Apple.
    edited January 22
  • Reply 18 of 22
    thttht Posts: 5,452member
    gatorguy said:
    RigiDigi said:
    BS, disengenuos & evasive BS artists. Apple never mention the required battery pack.
    The One Part of the Vision Pro That Apple Doesn’t Want You to See | WIRED
    It was featured in the introductory keynote. 


    Has it ever been shown in use? As far as I know, Apple will always use a bit of photo manipulation to delete it from any images of users wearing the Vision Pro. You  can see in some shots where the cord simply evaporates at the end, fading out with nothing attached at the bottom.  Personally I don't think there's any good reason for doing so because the battery pack is not all that big or unsightly anyway, but Apple does Apple. For whatever reason, they've decided that element should be eliminated from any photos, disguising that the Vison Pro requires a separate battery pack. 
    I don't think I've seen it an image of it where the wearer is holding the battery or the battery is sitting on a table. Based on the comments from demos, Apple tells the demo person to put it into their pocket or put it next to them on the couch, the battery isn't going to appear in pictures. It supposed to be in a pocket.

    From the guided demo video. You can see the battery peaking out of the back pocket:


    From UploadVR, you can see it peaking out of the front pocket of the jacket:


    I really don't get the framing of this. Is it suppose to be a misfeature where it be a drag on VP sales? Therefore Apple doesn't want to show it? The external battery is literally in the press release hero shot, it's been known since before it was announced and was prominent shown at WWDC:



    Apple has made some strange decisions with the battery. It's external, and it doesn't look like can hot-swap. They don't have a double or triple capacity battery for more runtime. It doesn't have MagSafe. No one knows what connection design it has going into the headset.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 22
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,326moderator
    tht said:
    Apple has made some strange decisions with the battery. It's external, and it doesn't look like can hot-swap. They don't have a double or triple capacity battery for more runtime. It doesn't have MagSafe. No one knows what connection design it has going into the headset.
    This design means they can control the connection point to the device so that 3rd parties don't have heavy or odd colored cables hanging from it and the cable doesn't get in the way.

    The battery pack has a USB-C port on it so USB-C battery packs can be plugged into it for more runtime. It can also be wired to a socket but this could risk overheating.

    The recommended way would be to buy an extra battery:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/shopping/a-spare-apple-vision-pro-battery-will-set-you-back-199-for-an-extra-25-hours-of-spatial-computing-time/ar-BB1gX5ZD

    Keep one battery on charge, then swap them over. The headset might power down but I could see them having an internal power system that can keep the RAM state for a while.

    Most people won't want to use the headset for over 2 hours without a break but plugging in a power bank can give all day battery life:

    https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-BoostCharge-USB-C-Power-Bank/dp/B086R56QVZ/
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 22
    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    RigiDigi said:
    BS, disengenuos & evasive BS artists. Apple never mention the required battery pack.
    The One Part of the Vision Pro That Apple Doesn’t Want You to See | WIRED
    It was featured in the introductory keynote. 


    Has it ever been shown in use? As far as I know, Apple will always use a bit of photo manipulation to delete it from any images of users wearing the Vision Pro. You  can see in some shots where the cord simply evaporates at the end, fading out with nothing attached at the bottom.  Personally I don't think there's any good reason for doing so because the battery pack is not all that big or unsightly anyway, but Apple does Apple. For whatever reason, they've decided that element should be eliminated from any photos, disguising that the Vison Pro requires a separate battery pack. 
    I don’t think I have seen any photos of it but also haven’t seen every photo or video. I also don’t see how this is in anyway different than how Apple handles its other products. MacBooks aren’t show with power adapters, the iMac’s external power adapter isn’t in the marketing pictures. All the pictures of the Mac mini, Studio Pro and Mac Pro in workspaces never show cables. Apple sells wired headphones for the IPhone but you only see AirPods in pictures. There is no boarder conspiracy here. Apple has a very clean aesthetic. It would be more surprising if Apple included the battery in the pictures. 
    Since the Vision Pro can't be used without the battery pack, it's slightly dishonest to imply it is not integral, but you and I agree about the consistency: Apple being Apple.
    I guess I am missing how they are implying it isn't integral.  The power adapter for the MacBooks and iMac are also integral but they still don't make a point of showing them in most pictures. Like the VP they talk about them in the announcement, they show them in the announcement and they are listed in the spec sheets. They aren't in every picture of people using a Vision Pro because it isn't something the customer is going to have in their hands. It's goin got be in their pocket or laying on a surface near them. If they didn't have the power cable connecting to the VP in the usage pictures I'd get your point, but it is always there. 
    thtwatto_cobra
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