Apple still plans to charge developers for sideloading apps in EU

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If a new report is correct, Apple still plans on doing some form of iPhone app review and charge developers for sideloaded apps in the European Union, but the details aren't fully clear.

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A report on Wednesday morning has laid out what may be Apple's plan to address the EU's requirements in the Digital Markets Act (DMA) mandating third-party app stores. Citing "people familiar with the company's plans", the Wall Street Journal says that software review will still take place, and there will be fees charged.

What is not spelled out in the report, are details about both the expected fees and how a software review would be executed. In the US, Apple is planning to levy a 27% fee on first-year subscriptions, and a 12% fee on following years if users are prompted through the app to buy a subscription outside of the App Store.

The EU's DMA doesn't appear to explicitly disallow fees for side loading and alternative app stores. What's not yet clear is how the EU will respond to Apple's filing that it must make on the matter, detailing the company's response to terms in the DMA.

The report also addresses what other big tech companies are preparing in response to Apple being forced to allow sideloaded apps. Meta is said to be considering a system that will allow users to download apps directly from Facebook advertisements.

Spotify's plan appears to be simpler. The music streamer will just provide apps on a download page on its website.

The Digital Markets Act (DMA) of the European Union is a series of regulations aimed at big tech "gatekeepers." Any large company with a monthly total of 45 million active users in Europe and at least 75 billion euros ($80 billion) in market capitalization is labeled a "gatekeeper."

Currently, there are six companies labeled as gatekeepers, including Apple, Amazon, Google, Meta, Microsoft, and TikTok's parent company, Bytedance.

These laws aim to ensure fair competition by restricting the priority a company can give its own first-party services. Gatekeepers are expected to comply with the regulations by March 7. Failure to comply with the DMA rules could trigger an EU investigation, which might lead to "behavioral or structural remedies."

According to the DMA, companies that act as gatekeepers must ensure fair competition by providing equal opportunities to their competitors' products and services. This means that Apple, for instance, would have to allow third-party app stores and side-loading apps on iPhone. Additionally, Apple would be obliged to permit developers to use third-party payment systems instead of mandatorily using the one provided by Apple.

In November, Apple drafted an appeal against the DMA, arguing that it should not be required to allow alternative app marketplaces on its devices.

The Cupertino-based tech giant later accused the European Union of incorrectly assessing how many app stores it had -- clarifying that it has five app stores, not one.

In September, Apple received a temporary exemption from the DMA. The company claimed that its messaging service, iMessage, was not large enough to qualify as a gatekeeper service. EU regulators are now investigating whether the DMA applies to iMessage or not.



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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 16
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    Apple making frenemies in the developer community and, at the same time, trying to encourage those developers to create Vision Pro apps. Yeah, that's a plan.
    ctt_zhmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 2 of 16
    This is so stupid. Let's not stop at tech companies. Require all companies to accept alternative forms of payment. I would like to go to the store and pay with a bushel of bananas. I don't want to use their payment method of currency or card.
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 16
    Sideloading is not freeloading! Every developer is going to pay to develop and maintain iOS
    igorskydee_deewatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 16
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 2,245member
    App signatures.

    Regardless of where an app came from, if it doesn't have an approved signature certificate from Apple, it won't run.

    I'm good with that.
    dope_ahminemac_dogdanoxchasmmacxpressGabyigorskydee_deewilliamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 16
    What this move by Apple does is expose just how friggin’ stupid those in the EU who make these laws are.

    In all of their supposed “consultations” about side loading did it not occur to anyone what to do about various “what ifs” that might come up? Like, I don’t know, does Apple (or Google) have the right to still collect a fee or do they have the right to review Apps that aren’t on their stores?

    Of course they’ll amend the DMA to deal with these issues, but it makes them look like idiots for having missed something so obvious in the first place.

    Makes you wonder if they had ANY discussions before forcing side loading onto Apple.
    dee_deewatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 16
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,306member
    Re: Alternative App Stores — if you set up shop in a mall, you still have to pay the mall rent.

    If you set up your own shop selling licensed and certified goods, you still have to pay for the license to sell those goods.

    This will all come as huge and shocking news to Tim Sweeney, who apparently seriously believes you can just barge into someone’s house and set up your own store and owe the homeowner nothing.
    Gabyigorskywilliamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 16
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,306member

    Like, I don’t know, does Apple (or Google) have the right to still collect a fee or do they have the right to review Apps that aren’t on their stores?
    Yes. If you want to write apps for iOS, you **must** be a licensed developer, which means paying the developer fee to Apple. There are **no** un-reviewed and unlicensed developers for iOS/iPadOS/et al.

    Previously some of the costs for this were covered by the commission. Now, Apple will likely set rates for reviewing and certifying the apps, whether they are available on Apple’s App Store or not.

    Google is likely to have very similar, albeit slightly different, rules for Android. All of this is perfectly legal and has already been cleared by courts numerous times.
    igorskywatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 16
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,810member
    Apple needs a way to keep their platform secure regardless of where the app came from and if this is the better way to do it then I'm for it. It cannot just be a free for all like Android is. Enterprise specifically use iOS products exclusively because of their secure platform. Also everyday people rely on Apple to keep their data secure and some people think Apple is full of shit when they say they're doing everything they can to do this but I think those people are very wrong in their thinking. Apple may slip up every once in a while but I think their true intentions is to protect people's data as much as possible. It's only in their best interests to do so and I really have yet to see any doubters have any significant proof that Apple is just full of shit on privacy. 

    If this pisses off a few developers along the way then oh well. So be it. Those very developers also don't care how much it costs Apple to run its own platform either with not just the store but Xcode and its continuous development with improvements, new API's, features and support for its developers all of which is mostly free minus a very cheap developer fee. 
    edited January 24 Gabyigorskyroundaboutnowwilliamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 16
    What this move by Apple does is expose just how friggin’ stupid those in the EU who make these laws are.

    In all of their supposed “consultations” about side loading did it not occur to anyone what to do about various “what ifs” that might come up? Like, I don’t know, does Apple (or Google) have the right to still collect a fee or do they have the right to review Apps that aren’t on their stores?

    Of course they’ll amend the DMA to deal with these issues, but it makes them look like idiots for having missed something so obvious in the first place.

    Makes you wonder if they had ANY discussions before forcing side loading onto Apple.
    You are assuming the EU was trying to create a situation in which developers didn’t have to pay fees or where apps weren’t reviewed. People assumed that side loading would result in these things but that doesn’t mean their assumptions were correct. Perhaps the the people that are “stupid” and “idiots” were the ones making erroneous assumptions. 
  • Reply 10 of 16
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    macxpress said:
    Apple needs a way to keep their platform secure regardless of where the app came from and if this is the better way to do it then I'm for it. It cannot just be a free for all like Android is. 
    Google has a different method of protecting users who bypass the official PlayStore and sideload apps, and it doesn't involve pre-vetting everything that might be installed from any other store. Those users aren't abandoned.
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/android-will-now-scan-sideloaded-apps-for-malware-at-install-time/

     By the way, on the Android platform, one of the more popular 3rd party app stores is F-Droid. They've had an amazingly low incidence level of malware. IMO, most  (not all) of The "OMG, MALWARE stories we're bombarded with are designed to protect the OS providers profits, scaring us into submission, or circulated by antivirus companies wanting to give you a reason to buy their product.

    And it works. 
    edited January 25 nubusroundaboutnowctt_zhmuthuk_vanalingam9secondkox2
  • Reply 11 of 16
    dee_deedee_dee Posts: 112member
    Doesn’t really matter.  Too many developers are scammers.  I’ve never seen a game advertisement that actually shows what the game is really like.  Just a bunch of liars.  Majority are going to stick with the App Store.  
    watto_cobramacxpress
  • Reply 12 of 16
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,286member
    The report also addresses what other big tech companies are preparing in response to Apple being forced to allow sideloaded apps. Meta is said to be considering a system that will allow users to download apps directly from Facebook advertisements.

    Wow, Can you even imagine the amount of scammers and criminals who will be enticing people to download illicit apps?!
    God, I hope there's a way I can shut down my parent's ability to download anything that doesn't come from the app store. I'm sure others will want to do the same for their kids.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 16
    You go Apple!

    the EU abusing its power and trying to force socialistic principles onto American companies by giving away their stuff just backfired. 

    “Oh, you want to sideload? Well it’s not going to be the Wild West all over again. Well download your app, submit it to our review system and see if it’s malicious or not. And by the way, you’re still paying for access to out platform “ love it. The only way this will work. 

    The EU looking like the idiots they are for not addressing this part to ensure apple and its customers are compensated and safe. But we know apple will always fill in the irresponsible gaps. 

    Misses like that are how you know it’s an agenda thing. Not a fairness thing. 

    Targeting successful companies and then shoving them in a box with a “gatekeeper” logo is just an obvious way to try to harm successful american  companies. 

    Looks like it’s not going to go well. Good. 

    Even the developers will realize how stupid that decision was by the EU. “Oh so now I still pay apple, they still review my product, but not I have to host it, build discovery, and advertise myself? No thanks.”

    any attempt by the the to further harm companies like Apple by trying to make it so they can’t receive their platform fee or not be able to ensure their customers are protected from malicious developers should be referred back to the USA will foreign policy drafted in kind. That crap is just wrong and needs to be addressed in a major way. 
    edited January 25 watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 16

    gatorguy said:
    macxpress said:
    Apple needs a way to keep their platform secure regardless of where the app came from and if this is the better way to do it then I'm for it. It cannot just be a free for all like Android is. 
    Google has a different method of protecting users who bypass the official PlayStore and sideload apps, and it doesn't involve pre-vetting everything that might be installed from any other store. Those users aren't abandoned.
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/android-will-now-scan-sideloaded-apps-for-malware-at-install-time/

     By the way, on the Android platform, one of the more popular 3rd party app stores is F-Droid. They've had an amazingly low incidence level of malware. IMO, most  (not all) of The "OMG, MALWARE stories we're bombarded with are designed to protect the OS providers profits, scaring us into submission, or circulated by antivirus companies wanting to give you a reason to buy their product.

    And it works. 
    No. It doesn’t. It may catch the truly egregious stuff that’s coded using obvious and ubiquitous malware. Not the custom stuff. The nature of android itself is so open in data connections that it will always be a problem. The custom malware gets right past those scans. 

    It take a thorough vetting process with testing to see what the apps actually doing during use, at idle, and just in an installed state. That’s why apple is light years ahead of Google and everyone else in this game. 

    watto_cobramacxpress
  • Reply 15 of 16
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member

    gatorguy said:
    macxpress said:
    Apple needs a way to keep their platform secure regardless of where the app came from and if this is the better way to do it then I'm for it. It cannot just be a free for all like Android is. 
    Google has a different method of protecting users who bypass the official PlayStore and sideload apps, and it doesn't involve pre-vetting everything that might be installed from any other store. Those users aren't abandoned.
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/android-will-now-scan-sideloaded-apps-for-malware-at-install-time/

     By the way, on the Android platform, one of the more popular 3rd party app stores is F-Droid. They've had an amazingly low incidence level of malware. IMO, most  (not all) of The "OMG, MALWARE stories we're bombarded with are designed to protect the OS providers profits, scaring us into submission, or circulated by antivirus companies wanting to give you a reason to buy their product.

    And it works. 
    No. It doesn’t. It may catch the truly egregious stuff that’s coded using obvious and ubiquitous malware. Not the custom stuff. The nature of android itself is so open in data connections that it will always be a problem. The custom malware gets right past those scans. 

    It take a thorough vetting process with testing to see what the apps actually doing during use, at idle, and just in an installed state. That’s why apple is light years ahead of Google and everyone else in this game. 

    "and it works" refers to the scare tactics.

    As you implied, Play Protect isn't yet foolproof, but still a very worthwhile and effective service for people who insist on sideloading anyway. Kudos for protecting those users who avoid paying a fee to Google  for the apps they install.  They didn't have to invest in resources for them, but they have.
    muthuk_vanalingam9secondkox2
  • Reply 16 of 16
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,810member
    gatorguy said:
    macxpress said:
    Apple needs a way to keep their platform secure regardless of where the app came from and if this is the better way to do it then I'm for it. It cannot just be a free for all like Android is. 
    Google has a different method of protecting users who bypass the official PlayStore and sideload apps, and it doesn't involve pre-vetting everything that might be installed from any other store. Those users aren't abandoned.
    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/android-will-now-scan-sideloaded-apps-for-malware-at-install-time/

     By the way, on the Android platform, one of the more popular 3rd party app stores is F-Droid. They've had an amazingly low incidence level of malware. IMO, most  (not all) of The "OMG, MALWARE stories we're bombarded with are designed to protect the OS providers profits, scaring us into submission, or circulated by antivirus companies wanting to give you a reason to buy their product.

    And it works. 
    Google doesn't protect its users lol....Who are you kidding? 
    watto_cobra
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