Epic's Tim Sweeney is mad about Apple's EU App Store concessions

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in iPhone edited January 25

The App Store policy changes that are coming in iOS 17.4 aren't enough for Epic's Tim Sweeney, with him firing back at Apple for implementing an "anticompetitive scheme rife with junk fees."

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In a statement provided to AppleInsider and a series of posts on Twitter/X, Epic CEO Tim Sweeney has made it clear what he thinks about the European Union-mandated App Store changes, required by the Digital Markets Act (DMA).

So there's no misinterpretation, we're including Sweeney's quote in full.

"Apple's plan to thwart Europe's new Digital Markets Act law is a devious new instance of Malicious Compliance.

They are forcing developers to choose between App Store exclusivity and the store terms, which will be illegal under DMA, or accept a new also-illegal anticompetitive scheme rife with new Junk Fees on downloads and new Apple taxes on payments they don't process.

Apple proposes that it can choose which stores are allowed to compete with their App Store. They could block Epic from launching the Epic Games Store and distributing Fortnite through it, for example, or block Microsoft, Valve, Good Old Games, or new entrants.

The Epic Games Store is the #7 software store in the world (behind the 3 console stores, 2 mobile stores, and Steam on PC). We're determined to launch on iOS and Android and enter the competition to become the #1 multi-platform software store, on the foundation of payment competition, 0%-12% fees, and exclusive games like Fortnite.

Epic has always supported the notion of Apple notarization and malware scanning for apps, but we strongly reject Apple's twisting this process to undermine competition and continue imposing Apple taxes on transactions they're not involved in.

There's a lot more hot garbage in Apple's announcement. It will take more time to parse both the written and unwritten parts of this new horror show, so stay tuned."



The Epic-founded and -funded Coalition for App Fairness has a very similar stance on the matter. Rick VanMeter, Executive Director of the Coalition for App Fairness, has also issued a statement.

The statement is included here in full as well.

"Apple clearly has no intention to comply with the DMA. Apple is introducing new fees on direct downloads and payments they do nothing to process, which violates the law. This plan does not achieve the DMA's goal to increase competition and fairness in the digital market - it is not fair, reasonable, nor non-discriminatory

Apple's proposal forces developers to choose between two anticompetitive and illegal options. Either stick with the terrible status quo or opt into a new convoluted set of terms that are bad for developers and consumers alike. This is yet another attempt to circumvent regulation, the likes of which we've seen in the United States, the Netherlands and South Korea. Apple's 'plan' is a shameless insult to the European Commission and the millions of European consumers they represent - it must not stand and should be rejected by the Commission."



It's unclear why Sweeney says the policies are illegal under the DMA. Presumably, Apple has already submitted what it plans to do to the EU before the announcement, which is a DMA requirement.

Additionally, the DMA does not require zero fees applied by gatekeepers of app stores. It just requires that they be fair and reasonable. For third-party app stores outside of Apple's, the first install of an app requires a 0.50 Euro fee, but reinstalls by the same user are not billed again.

The terms of the new system are clear that the only fees Apple applies on payments is if the payment is processed through Apple. Alternative app stores have no fee to pay to Apple if they use their own payment processing.

There is a requirement that Sweeney doesn't mention in his Twitter/X thread that third-party app stores who want to have an app marketplace provide Apple with a letter of credit from an A-rated financial institution of one million euros. Apple says this is "to guarantee support for your developers and users."

Presumably, Epic, Microsoft, Spotify, and other large companies should be able to provide this, given the longevity, excellent financials, and user base of the companies in question. Apple still does not allow application packages to be installed from any source.

Fortnite remains banned from the App Store. It is available on game streaming services on iPhone and iPad -- which will see changes worldwide in iOS 17.4 -- and Epic is likely to restore it on its own app store to the EU as soon as it can.



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  • Reply 1 of 38
    williamhwilliamh Posts: 1,034member
    Wow.  There's probably almost as many zeroes in that Epic boardroom as there are on that check Sweeney has to write to Apple for their legal expenses.
    john.bkillroyAlex1NwilliamlondonigorskylordjohnwhorfinBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 38
    cpsrocpsro Posts: 3,200member
    Sweeney admits Epic is junk.
    nubuskillroywilliamlondonpulseimagesdarelrexigorskylordjohnwhorfinzeus423Bart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 38
    I guess some people get permanently angry if they lack the talent to figure stuff out on their own. 🙂
    dewmeForumPostkillroyAlex1Nwilliamlondondarelrexigorskylordjohnwhorfinzeus423Bart Y
  • Reply 4 of 38
    danoxdanox Posts: 2,874member
    Sounds like more red tape which the EU loves......
    killroywilliamlondonigorskywatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 38
    john.bjohn.b Posts: 2,742member
    Pretty hilarious that Epic’s CEO has such strong opinions about a platform that he got himself banned from. 🤣
    ForumPostkillroyAlex1Nwilliamlondonlordjohnwhorfinzeus423olsBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 38
    „Epic‘s Tim Sweeney is mad“ will do nicely, thank you. 
    killroyAlex1NwilliamlondondanoxlordjohnwhorfinBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 38
    Ah, poor Timmy got a booboo on his gweed, whaah.
    edited January 25 watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 38
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,885member
    It still amazes me that some people think 'open and competitive app market' means that any developer and any app can just squat on iPhone for free.
    danoxGabyBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 38
    I’m curious, does Google not charge a 30% commission as well? Why is it only Apple in the crosshairs?
    aderutterlordjohnwhorfinzeus423olsBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 38
    XedXed Posts: 2,572member
    LOL I do enjoy Sweeney's butthurt comments.
    danoxdarelrexBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 38
    thrangthrang Posts: 1,010member
    Sweeny, go wash your arse, you seem bothered by something....
    olsBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 38
    It’s not Burger King, sweener. 

    You can’t have it your way. 

    The disengenuous argument the steam is at #7 in app stores because their store isn’t on iOS, etc. is anticompetitive in and of itself. 

    Steam, Nintendo, Sony, Xbox, etc. aren’t on iOS and yet they’re better - while in the same boat as epic. So they want governments to give them a leg up by forcing other stores to let them set up shop inside those stores. What the heck is this guy smoking? 

    The only way you get that kind of audacity is to be a psychopath, mentally incompetent, or have “friends” in high places. Betting it’s the latter with the TenCent ownership stake. 

    Hey Tim, how about you build a platform, whether your own phone, console, etc. and if you can by some miracle succeed, open your platform to steam, etc. and lead by example. Until then, shut the heck up. We, the people, don’t want you messing with our stuff. 
    edited January 25 Bart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 38
    danoxdanox Posts: 2,874member
    It’s not Burger King, sweener. 

    You can’t have it your way. 

    The disengenuous argument the steam is at #7 in app stores because their store isn’t on iOS, etc. is anticompetitive in and of itself. 

    Steam, Nintendo, Sony, Xbox, etc. aren’t on iOS and yet they’re better - while in the same boat as epic. So they want governments to give them a leg up by forcing other stores to let them set up shop inside those stores. What the heck is this guy smoking? 

    The only way you get that kind of audacity is to be a psychopath, mentally incompetent, or have “friends” in high places. Betting it’s the latter with the TenCent ownership stake. 

    Hey Tim, how about you build a platform, whether your own phone, console, etc. and if you can by some miracle succeed, open your platform to steam, etc. and lead by example. Until then, shut the heck up. We, the people, don’t want you messing with our stuff. 

    A better example would be Spotify the EU acted on their complains along with the Opera browser crew about Apple along with a little dash of Firefox.
    edited January 25 9secondkox2watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 38
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,016member
    Malicious Compliance? Welcome to what companies do.  Apple is not going to just sit back and make less money.  
    darelrexigorskyBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 38
    Tim’s a fine engineer but a clueless businessman.
    GabydarelrexolsBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 38
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,259member
    From the guy whose company make a mindless killing game.
    edited January 26 williamlondonBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 38
    Sweeney Rick VanMeter says Apple's package of new EU terms "is not fair, reasonable, nor non-discriminatory". That's a reference to FRAND (Fair, Reasonable, And Non-Discriminatory). FRAND is a set of licensing term limitations that applies (or at least is supposed to apply) to patents that have been given to the 3G/4G/5G cellular transmission standard in exchange for guaranteed, per-device payments to the patent owners. FRAND rules don't apply to everyone's platforms/products, everywhere. What kind of delusional world does Sweeney VanMeter think he lives in?
    edited January 26 Bart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 38
    I’m curious, does Google not charge a 30% commission as well? Why is it only Apple in the crosshairs?
    Because Apple's app store makes up the vast majority of profit for app makers.  Plus if they get a ruling against Apple it will more likely than not apply to the android store.
    igorskyBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 38
    red oakred oak Posts: 1,089member
    He still does not get it:   Apple is never letting Epic back into the App store, nor will it allow to create  an Epic app storefront 

    Epic violated its App Store agreement and Apple pulled their developer account.   They are not getting it back    
    darelrexigorskyBart Ywatto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 38
    When Sweeney says Apple is illegally stifling competition, he really means, "I want to install whatever I want on Apple's platform, with no Apple oversight/approval, and totally for free (except to my own customers who will pay handsomely to play my games)." That's his idea of fair competition. The insufferable whine of an everything-belongs-to-me psychopath.
    igorskydanoxBart Ywatto_cobra
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