Microsoft latest to weigh in on Apple's EU App Store rules with disapproval

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A Microsoft executive calls Apple's new EU policy to comply with the DMA "a step in the wrong direction."

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The Digital Markets Act goes into effect in March, and Apple has released its plans for how it will comply with the EU law to much condemnation. Apple will enable apps to be installed from external sources at reduced commissions, but they will be subject to a Core Technology Fee.

According to an X post first discovered by The Verge, Xbox president Sarah Bond has joined in condemning Apple's proposed App Store changes. She says it is a "step in the wrong direction" and hopes "they listen to feedback."

We believe constructive conversations drive change and progress towards open platforms and greater competition. Apple's new policy is a step in the wrong direction. We hope they listen to feedback on their proposed plan and work towards a more inclusive future for all. https://t.co/mDRI5KPJf6

-- BondSarahBond (@BondSarah_Bond)



These comments arrived despite Microsoft's reliance on a 30% commission on games. The company lets app developers keep 100% of revenue made from sales via the Microsoft Store, unless its a game.

Microsoft isn't the only company with executives sounding off against Apple's proposed changes, though with less acidity. Epic Games' CEO Tim Sweeney called the plan "hot garbage" while Spotify CEO Daniel Ek called it "extortion."

Specifically, Apple will allow developers to offer third-party app stores in the EU, but they will have to be individually approved and use a human review process. Commissions are reduced to 17% for apps sold outside of the app store, but those apps will also owe a Core Technology Fee of 0.50 Euro per first-install of an app that's waived until 1 million installs.

The EU will announce whether Apple's proposals are enough to satisfy the DMA's requirements after reviews begin March 7. Apple will be the target of "strong action" if it hasn't fully complied with the EU's measure.



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  • Reply 1 of 27
    says keeper of air tight xbox platform.
    bageljoeyrezwitsMisterKitwilliamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 27
    As I’ve said, Plan B might be to charge for API usage.  Apple apparently has 250,000 APIs for developers.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 27
    eriamjheriamjh Posts: 1,647member
    Apple could follow Microsoft and force developers to pay for subscriptions on a per download basis.  

    M$ doesn’t want to pay the core tech fee because it would mean it has to pay for those free downloads that businesses are paying hefty per-user fees for AKA “licenses”.   Apple doesn't get a penny for hosting those downloads.  
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 27
    @AppleInsider... you've listed several large software companies that are against Apple's new EU policy, have you come across any large software companies that are in favour of Apple's EU policy? 
    edited January 29 Scot1watto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 27
    The story says commissions are 17% for apps sold outside the App Store, but Apple says they’re 17% for “alternative terms” apps sold on the App Store (plus 3% if you use IAP), and presumably zero elsewhere.  As far as I can tell the only charge for new app stores and apps sold on them is the €0.50/user/year Core Technology Fee.
    tenthousandthingswatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 27
    rezwitsrezwits Posts: 879member
    What if M$ and Apple BOTH pulled out of the EU?!?  That would be awesome!  Just goto war.  Either that or Apple, Microsoft, and Google are going to have to keep funding the EU regime, with billions every year, that goes who knows where...  Just all three PULL OUT!!  And leave um to their own facilities.

    Serious, this is huge, first the EU demotes the European monarchies, changes most of the currency, lately they are trying to extort American companies...  and the EU Dictators could care less...

    How? just keep making stuff/penalties up!
    rob53danoxbonobobwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 27
    Wait until Apple makes Arcade a streaming game service and demands entry into the XBOX, EPIC and NINTENDO stores. And demands they lower their 'unfair' fees.

    n




    designrwatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 27
    williamhwilliamh Posts: 1,034member
    If there's a company that knows about wrong ways, Microsoft has to be it.
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 27
    How that roles have reversed, back in the day it was Apple making such comments. 

    Now it's Microsoft.
    williamlondondesignr
  • Reply 10 of 27
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,703member
    williamh said:
    If there's a company that knows about wrong ways, Microsoft has to be it.
    Yes. It's ripe coming from them but at least they didn't go overboard with the statement 
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 11 of 27
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,214member
    Why do so many AppleInsider members cheer on "malicious compliance" when Apple is essentially begging developers to create Vision Pro apps? Are the developer's contributions to the success of the iPhone so soon forgotten? 

    If this is part of Apple's plan to make the Vision Pro a success, then the company has completely lost the plot IMO, and those here praising them for being obstinate when dealing with the new EU rules have put little thought into their comments. It's not only a bad look for Apple in general, but shooting themselves in the foot when trying to build out a vibrant Vision Pro ecosystem. Alienating them when their support of a new product line is needed is hardly a smart move. 

    Developers may be practicing malicious compliance with Vision Pro...
    edited January 30 avon b7muthuk_vanalingamctt_zhdesignr
  • Reply 12 of 27
    gatorguy said:
    Why do so many AppleInsider members cheer on "malicious compliance" when Apple is essentially begging developers to create Vision Pro apps? Are the developer's contributions to the success of the iPhone so soon forgotten? 
    Malicious complaints is more like it.

    Spotify and Epic have no real competitive issues with Apple. 1% of iOS subscribers for Spotify are subject to the 15% commission. The other 99% are subject to 0% since they paid online. Spotify also has a 30% global share for music streaming while Apple is effectively tied with Amazon and Tencent at around 13-14%. Epic ported Fortnite to mobile to make some extra cash. The game was developed for consoles and Windows PCs and that's where Epic got 85% of their revenue. Epic was also perfectly fine with paying a 30% commission on consoles which was their #1 revenue source.

    rob53williamlondontmayihatescreennameswatto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 27
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,703member
    gatorguy said:
    Why do so many AppleInsider members cheer on "malicious compliance" when Apple is essentially begging developers to create Vision Pro apps? Are the developer's contributions to the success of the iPhone so soon forgotten? 
    Malicious complaints is more like it.

    Spotify and Epic have no real competitive issues with Apple. 1% of iOS subscribers for Spotify are subject to the 15% commission. The other 99% are subject to 0% since they paid online. Spotify also has a 30% global share for music streaming while Apple is effectively tied with Amazon and Tencent at around 13-14%. Epic ported Fortnite to mobile to make some extra cash. The game was developed for consoles and Windows PCs and that's where Epic got 85% of their revenue. Epic was also perfectly fine with paying a 30% commission on consoles which was their #1 revenue source.

    Spotify tells a different story... 

    https://newsroom.spotify.com/2024-01-24/the-dma-means-a-better-spotify-for-artists-creators-and-you/

    Yes, just like Apple there will be a certain amount of spin. 

    That aside, you do not need to have competitive issues to file a complaint. Just believing a complaint is justified is enough. 
  • Reply 14 of 27
    danoxdanox Posts: 2,875member
    Wait until Apple makes Arcade a streaming game service and demands entry into the XBOX, EPIC and NINTENDO stores. And demands they lower their 'unfair' fees.

    n





    Apple won't do that, what Apple will do is design around them don't poke the bear.......
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 27
    danoxdanox Posts: 2,875member
    gatorguy said:
    Why do so many AppleInsider members cheer on "malicious compliance" when Apple is essentially begging developers to create Vision Pro apps? Are the developer's contributions to the success of the iPhone so soon forgotten? 
    Malicious complaints is more like it.

    Spotify and Epic have no real competitive issues with Apple. 1% of iOS subscribers for Spotify are subject to the 15% commission. The other 99% are subject to 0% since they paid online. Spotify also has a 30% global share for music streaming while Apple is effectively tied with Amazon and Tencent at around 13-14%. Epic ported Fortnite to mobile to make some extra cash. The game was developed for consoles and Windows PCs and that's where Epic got 85% of their revenue. Epic was also perfectly fine with paying a 30% commission on consoles which was their #1 revenue source.


    I'm sure Epic wasn't fine with it but they had no chance of winning in Japan, and Sony and Nintendo approach puts anyone (developer) who wishes to publish on their platform thru a rigorous job interview (with the finished game to boot) where there isn't any doubt what the terms are up front, there is no I didn't understand later on in court. That was partially Apple mistake hindsight 20/20. Sony also laid out the cost and didn't make it look like it was free and they also didn't make seem like everyone can join up because it felt good (its my right not a privilege) which Apple and Google did with their ecosystems.

    Any new ecosystem created in the future by Apple (like the Apple Vision) had better take the its a privilege not a right to be here the Gold Rush/Wild West is now over. 
    edited January 30 gatorguywatto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 27
    Scot1Scot1 Posts: 121member
    rezwits said:
    What if M$ and Apple BOTH pulled out of the EU?!?  That would be awesome!  Just goto war.  Either that or Apple, Microsoft, and Google are going to have to keep funding the EU regime, with billions every year, that goes who knows where...  Just all three PULL OUT!!  And leave um to their own facilities.

    Serious, this is huge, first the EU demotes the European monarchies, changes most of the currency, lately they are trying to extort American companies...  and the EU Dictators could care less...

    How? just keep making stuff/penalties up!
    The population of the EU is larger that the USA. Not a good move to pull out of a large market. 
    muthuk_vanalingamHedware
  • Reply 17 of 27
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,348member
    avon b7 said:
    gatorguy said:
    Why do so many AppleInsider members cheer on "malicious compliance" when Apple is essentially begging developers to create Vision Pro apps? Are the developer's contributions to the success of the iPhone so soon forgotten? 
    Malicious complaints is more like it.

    Spotify and Epic have no real competitive issues with Apple. 1% of iOS subscribers for Spotify are subject to the 15% commission. The other 99% are subject to 0% since they paid online. Spotify also has a 30% global share for music streaming while Apple is effectively tied with Amazon and Tencent at around 13-14%. Epic ported Fortnite to mobile to make some extra cash. The game was developed for consoles and Windows PCs and that's where Epic got 85% of their revenue. Epic was also perfectly fine with paying a 30% commission on consoles which was their #1 revenue source.

    Spotify tells a different story... 

    https://newsroom.spotify.com/2024-01-24/the-dma-means-a-better-spotify-for-artists-creators-and-you/

    Yes, just like Apple there will be a certain amount of spin. 

    That aside, you do not need to have competitive issues to file a complaint. Just believing a complaint is justified is enough. 
    Let me know when the acknowledged gatekeeper in digital music, Spotify, is actually treated as such by the EU, and Spotify is decidedly not better for artists and creators...

    Spotify Artists Pros Cons

    Spotify is a streaming services that allows music artists to reach a large audience and generate revenue from streams of their music. The benefits of Spotify for music artists include:

    • A large user base: Spotify has over 345 million active users as of 2021, giving music artists a broad potential audience for their music.
    • Monetization opportunities: Spotify allows artists to earn money from streams of their music. This can add up to a significant amount over time, especially for popular artists with a large number of streams.
    • Discoverability: Spotify has a number of features that help users discover new music, such as personalized playlists and recommendations. This can help artists reach new fans.
    • Analytics: Spotify provides artists with detailed information about who's listening to their music and where, which can be helpful for understanding their audience and tailoring their promotion efforts.

    However, there are also drawbacks to Spotify for music artists:

    • Low per-stream payouts: The revenue that artists earn from Spotify streams is relatively low. According to Spotify, the average per-stream payout for artists is between $0.00397 and $0.00783.
    • Limited control over release timing: Spotify releases all new music to the service at the same time, regardless of the artist's preference.
    • Limited marketing and promotional opportunities: Spotify doesn't offer artists many opportunities to promote their music outside of the service.

    It is still not possible to make a living from Spotify alone, as the royalties for streaming are relatively low. However, it is a good way to increase visibility and generate revenue. It can be beneficial to have a presence on multiple platforms such as YouTube and iTunes, as it allows artists to reach different audiences and monetize their music in different ways

    and...

    Overall, Spotify reported a profit of €65 million (around $69 million) for the recent quarter, versus a €166 million ($177 million) loss the year previous. Operating income was €32 million (around $34 million), versus an operating loss of €228 million (around $243 million) in the same quarter the previous year. Spotify has frequently posted quarterly losses as it’s traditionally prioritized growth over quarterly profits.
    Sure, the EU should protect the near profitless Monster of digital music from Apple...
    edited January 30 williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 27
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,703member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    gatorguy said:
    Why do so many AppleInsider members cheer on "malicious compliance" when Apple is essentially begging developers to create Vision Pro apps? Are the developer's contributions to the success of the iPhone so soon forgotten? 
    Malicious complaints is more like it.

    Spotify and Epic have no real competitive issues with Apple. 1% of iOS subscribers for Spotify are subject to the 15% commission. The other 99% are subject to 0% since they paid online. Spotify also has a 30% global share for music streaming while Apple is effectively tied with Amazon and Tencent at around 13-14%. Epic ported Fortnite to mobile to make some extra cash. The game was developed for consoles and Windows PCs and that's where Epic got 85% of their revenue. Epic was also perfectly fine with paying a 30% commission on consoles which was their #1 revenue source.

    Spotify tells a different story... 

    https://newsroom.spotify.com/2024-01-24/the-dma-means-a-better-spotify-for-artists-creators-and-you/

    Yes, just like Apple there will be a certain amount of spin. 

    That aside, you do not need to have competitive issues to file a complaint. Just believing a complaint is justified is enough. 
    Let me know when the acknowledged gatekeeper in digital music, Spotify, is actually treated as such by the EU, and Spotify is decidedly not better for artists and creators...
    How does Spotify fit the gatekeeper tag? 
    muthuk_vanalingamctt_zh
  • Reply 19 of 27
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,348member
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    gatorguy said:
    Why do so many AppleInsider members cheer on "malicious compliance" when Apple is essentially begging developers to create Vision Pro apps? Are the developer's contributions to the success of the iPhone so soon forgotten? 
    Malicious complaints is more like it.

    Spotify and Epic have no real competitive issues with Apple. 1% of iOS subscribers for Spotify are subject to the 15% commission. The other 99% are subject to 0% since they paid online. Spotify also has a 30% global share for music streaming while Apple is effectively tied with Amazon and Tencent at around 13-14%. Epic ported Fortnite to mobile to make some extra cash. The game was developed for consoles and Windows PCs and that's where Epic got 85% of their revenue. Epic was also perfectly fine with paying a 30% commission on consoles which was their #1 revenue source.

    Spotify tells a different story... 

    https://newsroom.spotify.com/2024-01-24/the-dma-means-a-better-spotify-for-artists-creators-and-you/

    Yes, just like Apple there will be a certain amount of spin. 

    That aside, you do not need to have competitive issues to file a complaint. Just believing a complaint is justified is enough. 
    Let me know when the acknowledged gatekeeper in digital music, Spotify, is actually treated as such by the EU, and Spotify is decidedly not better for artists and creators...
    How does Spotify fit the gatekeeper tag? 
    Ask the artists that barely generate any income from Spotify...

    Oh wait, there can only be hardware gatekeepers in the EU...
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 27
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,703member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    gatorguy said:
    Why do so many AppleInsider members cheer on "malicious compliance" when Apple is essentially begging developers to create Vision Pro apps? Are the developer's contributions to the success of the iPhone so soon forgotten? 
    Malicious complaints is more like it.

    Spotify and Epic have no real competitive issues with Apple. 1% of iOS subscribers for Spotify are subject to the 15% commission. The other 99% are subject to 0% since they paid online. Spotify also has a 30% global share for music streaming while Apple is effectively tied with Amazon and Tencent at around 13-14%. Epic ported Fortnite to mobile to make some extra cash. The game was developed for consoles and Windows PCs and that's where Epic got 85% of their revenue. Epic was also perfectly fine with paying a 30% commission on consoles which was their #1 revenue source.

    Spotify tells a different story... 

    https://newsroom.spotify.com/2024-01-24/the-dma-means-a-better-spotify-for-artists-creators-and-you/

    Yes, just like Apple there will be a certain amount of spin. 

    That aside, you do not need to have competitive issues to file a complaint. Just believing a complaint is justified is enough. 
    Let me know when the acknowledged gatekeeper in digital music, Spotify, is actually treated as such by the EU, and Spotify is decidedly not better for artists and creators...
    How does Spotify fit the gatekeeper tag? 
    Ask the artists that barely generate any income from Spotify...

    Oh wait, there can only be hardware gatekeepers in the EU...
    Ah! You haven't answered. 

    I'm not going to defend Spotify and I know a lot of artists complain about it but both artists and consumers have plenty of routes to do business outside the reach of the service. 

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