Apple needs an AI-powered folding iPhone to stem its decline in China, says Kuo

Posted:
in iPhone edited June 6

Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo says that Apple has cut its iPhone component orders by 15% year over year, as users in China increasingly prefer AI and foldable smartphones from Huawei.

Apple's iPhone 15 Pro
Apple's iPhone 15 Pro



It has already been repeatedly reported that iPhone sales have dropped sharply in China, although there have been signs of recovery. Tim Cook tried spinning the decline as a consequence of worldwide economics, but now Ming-Chi Kuo says there are specific factors that are not going to be fixed by the iPhone 16.

2024 iPhone shipments likely to decline significantly by about 15% YoY due to structural challenges / iPhone 202415% YoYhttps://t.co/MKL4B67IvY

-- (Ming-Chi Kuo) (@mingchikuo)



In his full blog post, Kuo says his claims are based on a supply chain survey that shows Apple has cut orders of key components by 15% YoY to around 200 million units. He says that "Apple may have the most significant decline among the major global mobile phone brands in 2024."

According to his estimates, the iPhone 15 range will turn out to be down 10% in 1H24, compared to the iPhone 14 in 1H23. But then he expects the iPhone 16 to do worse, declining 15% in 2H24, compared to the iPhone 15's launch period in 2H23.

Kuo says that Apple is facing "structural changes," by which he means significant shifts in what manufacturers are producing, and what buyers want from smartphones. Saying that weekly iPhone shipments in China have declined by between 30% and 40% over an unspecified number of "recent weeks," he predicts these structural changes will mean the downward trend will continue.

Chief among the changes in the smartphone industry is the reportedly increased interest in folding phones by buyers in China. Kuo has no specific figures, but claims that foldable phones "have gradually become the first choice for high-end users in the Chinese market."

Apple has long been reported to be working on an iPhone Fold, but the latest rumors say the earliest it will now release one is 2027. Kuo agrees that there will not be any iPhones with significant design changes in 2024, but there may be in 2025.

He's not expecting an iPhone fold then, though. Instead, he believes that's when Apple will be able to produce an iPhone with hardware features to help with AI.

A last problem for Apple, and another one that it can't immediately address, is the rebirth of Huawei. The local Chinese brand once looked to be finished after a US blacklist limited its ability to buy key components.

At that point in 2021, Apple saw a significant rise in its iPhone 13 sales because of Huawei's troubles. Now that the firm is back, however, it is regaining popularity in China -- and it is already selling both foldable and AI phones.

Separately, Huawei has also been a problem for Apple over its Apple Vision Pro headset, as it owns a trademark on the words "Vision Pro" in China. Apple obviously expects to surmount this issue because Tim Cook has stated that the headset will be released in China later in 2024, and Kuo also believes an international rollout is coming shortly.



Read on AppleInsider

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 10
    thedbathedba Posts: 776member
    So does this mean that phone screens will go from glass back to plastic?
  • Reply 2 of 10
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,964member
    In reality, folding phones do use glass. It's just so thin (in order to bend) that plastic coatings or laminates are added to protect the glass.

    My slab phone came with plastic screen protector pre-applied at the factory.

    With the heat, humidity and sweat from where I live, and after nearly three years, it began to 'slip' just a little but enough for the pinhole cutout on the protector to impact the view from the front facing camera so I peeled it off and stayed with the glass.

    I can't tell the difference between the two surfaces. Perhaps that sensation would be different in a colder climate but here, I can't tell. 
  • Reply 3 of 10
    PemaPema Posts: 105member
    That's absolutely the last thing Apple needs. Every electronic shop that I visit has the Samsung Foldable collecting dust. No one is buying and no one needs it. 
    iOS_Guy8040domiwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 10
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,964member
    Pema said:
    That's absolutely the last thing Apple needs. Every electronic shop that I visit has the Samsung Foldable collecting dust. No one is buying and no one needs it. 
    It depends. Folding phones have enjoyed YoY increases in sales since they hit the market. Five straight years. The 'book folding' phones are all premium phones.

    Year on year for Q1-24 saw a 49% increase.

    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/global-foldable-smartphone-market-q1-2024/

    In absolute terms they might be far off the bulk of sales but, obviously, there is a trend that is accentuated in China. 

    Is it enough to syphon demand away from Apple and be noticeable? Only Apple can know that, but China has seen ever increasing discounting for iPhones so it does look like something needs tweaking there and no doubt folding phones are part of the problem.

    Last year Huawei announced it would be moving back to its regular 'two flagships per year' strategy which, if you include folding phones, is actually four per year.

    That is the case and those new phones are seeing global releases so yield isn't a problem.

    With Apple only having one shot at the wheel per year, a lot rides on the September cycle. Last year's releases haven't really done all that much. 

    Maybe AI this year will add some splash to marketing but we'll have to wait for WWDC to know that. 
    CrossPlatformFroggerOfer
  • Reply 5 of 10
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,263member
    Apple needs Apple servers and big screen iMacs more........
    blastdoorwatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 10
    I think the demand for folding phones is nonexistent.  Any hype is coming from the companies that are trying to promote this useless technology.  Apple created the perfect form factor — just continue to improve the screen, cameras, processor, and software.  There are surely bigger projects that need more attention than a folding phone.  What a waste of time. 
    hmlongcowatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 10
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,964member
    danox said:
    Apple needs Apple servers and big screen iMacs more........
    The problem is that we are way past 'servers' in the classic sense.

    New solutions need to come to market as we know we're heading for the yottabyte era. 

    Those are tough nuts to crack and require a breadth of knowledge and existing business models to play off. 

    https://blocksandfiles.com/2021/04/14/huawei-denser-storage-systems/
  • Reply 8 of 10
    banditobbanditob Posts: 12member
     He's not expecting an iPhone fold then, though. Instead, he believes that's when Apple will be able to produce an iPhone with hardware features to help with AI.”

    Everyone seems to be saying that Apple needs to add hardware to support AI.  All of the recent iPhones have a neural engine and I thought that this was all about ML and AI. Is there something else that the iPhone needs for AI?

    All of the AI PCs recently announced have simply added a neural engine and now claim to be AI-ready. If that’s all that is needed, then Apple has been producing AI-capable hardware for several years now, so I really don’t get why the press seems to think the hardware needs to change.  Software, yes, but the hardware fully supports AI as it is now.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 10
    hmlongcohmlongco Posts: 562member
    I've yet to actually see anyone using a folding phone out in the wild...
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 10
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,523member
    Looking at the stock picture of iPhones in this article, the thing that occurs to me is not “gee, I wish I could fold that” but rather “gee that blob of camera lenses sure is ugly”.

    i wouldn’t want to sacrifice camera quality to get rid of the ugly, but it would be nice to get rid of the ugly while holding camera quality constant. I don’t know if that is possible, but I’d prefer it to folding.
Sign In or Register to comment.