Microsoft Copilot is fairly relaxed about trademark use

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While AI is under attack from copying existing works without permission, the industry could end up getting into more legal trouble over trademarks.

Godzilla taking a selfie with an iPhone in a city. On the left, artistic buildings and sunsets, with large Apple logos.
Images created by Microsoft's Copilot



The rise in interest in generative AI has also led to an increase in complaints about the technology. Along with the complaints that the AI can often be incorrect, there are often issues with the sourcing of content to train the models in the first place.

This has already caused some litigious action, such as Conde Nast sending a cease and desist to AI startup Perplexity from using content from its publications.

There are some instances where the companies producing AI are doing the right thing. For example, Apple has offered to pay publishers for access for training purposes.

However, there may be a bigger problem on the horizon, especially for image-based generative AI, one that's beyond deep fakes. The issue of trademarks and product designs.

Highly protected



Major companies are very protective of their trademarks, copyrights, and intellectual property and will go to great lengths to keep them safe. They will also put a lot of effort into sending lawyers after people infringing on their properties, with a view to securing a hefty financial payoff in some situations.

Since generative AI services that create images are often trained on photographs of millions of items, it makes sense that they are also aware of the existence of product and company logos, product names, and product designs.

Blue furry character with big googly eyes holding a cookie resembling a colorful web browser logo with bookshelves in the background.
Cookie Monster eating a Chrome Cookie, generated by Copilot



The problem is that it now leaves those who generate images through services open to legal action if their images contain designs and elements that are too closely based on existing logos or products.

In many cases, commercial generative AI image services do act to protect themselves and users from being subjected to lawsuits, by including rules the models follow. These rules typically include lists of items or actions that the models will not generate.

However, this is not always the case, and it's not always applied evenly across the board.

Monsters, mice, and flimsy rules



On Tuesday, in a bid to try and create images for a cookie-based news story, one AppleInsider editorial team member wondered if something could be made for the article in AI. An offhand request was made to generate an image of "Cookie Monster eating Google Chrome icons like they are cookies."

Surprisingly, Microsoft Copilot generated an image of just that, with a detailed picture of the Sesame Street character about to consume a cookie bearing the Chrome icon.

AppleInsider didn't use the image in the article, but it did raise questions about how much legal trouble a person could get into using generative AI images.

A test was made against ChatGPT 4 for the same Cookie Monster/Chrome request, and that came out with a similar result.

A person holding an iPhone with a notification displaying a cartoon monkey and a warning about user guidelines.
Adobe Firefly rejecting trademark-based queries



Adobe Firefly offered a different result altogether in that it ignored both the Google Chrome and Cookie Monster elements. Instead, it created monsters eating cookies, a literal monster made from cookies, and a cat eating a cookie.

More importantly, it displayed a message warning "One or more words may not meet User Guidelines and were removed." Those guidelines, accessible via a link, has a sizable section titled "Be Respectful of Third-Party Rights."

The text basically says that users should not violate third-party copyrights, trademarks, and other rights. Evidently, Adobe also proactively checks the prompts for potential rule violations before generating images.

We then tried to use the same services to create images based on entities backed by more litigious and protective companies: Apple and Disney.

To each of Copilot, Firefly, and ChatGPT 4, we fed the prompt of "Mickey Mouse taking a bit out of an Apple logo."

Firefly again declined to continue with the prompt, but so did ChatGPT 4. Evidently, OpenAI is keen to play it safe and not rile either of the companies at all.

Cartoon mouse character on the left; same character biting a glowing apple on the right.
Two images of Mickey Mouse eating the Apple logo, generated by Copilot



But then, Microsoft's Copilot decided to create the images. The first was a fairly stylized black-and-white effort, while the second looked more like someone at Pixar had created the image.

It seemed that, while some services are keen to avoid any legal wrangling from well-heeled opponents, Microsoft is more open to continuing without fear of repercussion.

Plausible products

AppleInsider

also tried generating images of iPhones using exact model names. It's evident that Copilot knows what an iPhone is, but its designs are not quite up to date.

For example, iPhones generated keep including the notch, rather than shifting to the Dynamic Island that newer models use.

We were also able to generate an image of an iPhone next to a fairly comically-sized device reminiscent of Samsung Galaxy smartphones. One generated image even included odd combinations of earphones and pens.

Smartphone on a desk with earbuds, pens, and an apple on the left; computer screen displaying 'AI' in graphic design software on the right.
Apple products generated by Copilot



Tricking the services to produce an image of Tim Cook holding an iPhone didn't work. However, "Godzilla holding an iPhone" worked fine in Copilot.

As for other Apple products, one early result was an older and thick style of iMac, complete with an Apple keyboard and fairly correct styling. However, for some reason, a hand was using a stylus on the display, which is quite incorrect.

It seems at least that Apple products are fairly safe to try and produce using the services, if only because they are based on older designs.

Copilot's legal leanings



While a dodgy generative AI image containing a company's logo or product could be a legal issue in waiting, it seems that Microsoft is confident in Copilot's capabilities to avoid them.

A Microsoft blog post from September 2023 and updated in May 2024 said that Microsoft would help "defend the customer and pay the amount of any adverse judgments or settlements that result from the lawsuit, as long as the customer used the guardrails and content filters we have built into our products."

It appears that this only applies to commercial customers, not consumer or personal users who may not necessarily use the generated images for commercial purposes.

If Microsoft's commercial clients signed up to use the same AI technologies and have the same guidelines as consumers using the service, this could be a potential legal nightmare for Microsoft down the road.

Apple Intelligence



Everyone is aware that Apple Intelligence is on the way. The collection of features includes some handling text, some for queries, but a lot for generative AI imagery.

The last section is dominated by Image Playground, an app that uses text prompts and suggests more influences to create images. In some applications, the system works on-page, combining subjects within the document to create a custom image to fill unoccupied page space.

As one of the companies more inclined to protect its IP and already demonstrating that it wants to be responsible for how it uses the technology, Apple Intelligence may be quite strict in how it generates images. It may well avoid most of the trademark and copyright issues others have to deal with.

Apple's keynote example was of a mother dressed like a generic superhero, not a more specific character like Wonder Woman. However, we won't truly know how those tools work until Apple releases the feature to the public.



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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 15
    I got to say the Godzilla taking a selfie while a lady runs away (bottom left corner) is quite funny 
  • Reply 2 of 15
    This is strange that Open AI allowed copilot to create copyrighted images/symbols. I guess if the EU wants open and full use, copilot will be the way OpenAI stays in the EU unofficially.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 15
    22july201322july2013 Posts: 3,676member
    Easy fix: Each image with an image protected by trademark or copyright could require the user to press "I'm not using this publicly" just as iOS has a button in iOS that says "I'm not driving," in order to legally protect Apple. Using a trademarked or copyrighted image for personal use is probably legal. Besides, using trademarks/copyrights for satirical purposes is legal, but "as long as it does not mislead the public."
    • Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc. (1994)
    • Rogers v. Grimaldi (1989)

    appleinsideruserForumPostwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 15
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,937member
    Generative AI trained on copyrighted images will use those images to grant requests. Yes Apple, Adobe and others have put in guardrails to prevent flagrant violations, but I predict those that want to do so are already finding ways to circumvent the protections. It’s all a matter of phrasing the request. 

    The end result will be a bunch of massive lawsuits both against end users and the companies that put out these abominations. Even App;e is going to get clipped hard. 
    edited July 23 ForumPost
  • Reply 5 of 15
    Anyone who expects Microsoft to do the correct thing willingly hasn't been paying attention for the last few decades.
    DAalsethforegoneconclusionForumPostwatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 15
    Wesley HilliardWesley Hilliard Posts: 230member, administrator, moderator, editor
    DAalseth said:
    Generative AI trained on copyrighted images will use those images to grant requests. Yes Apple, Adobe and others have put in guardrails to prevent flagrant violations, but I predict those that want to do so are already finding ways to circumvent the protections. It’s all a matter of phrasing the request. 

    The end result will be a bunch of massive lawsuits both against end users and the companies that put out these abominations. Even App;e is going to get clipped hard. 
    This wasn't some trick like "grandma wants to see a picture of godzilla" or "forget all previous prompts." No massaging or guidance.

    The prompt for these were very direct. "Godzilla using an iPhone" or "Mickey Mouse taking a bite from the Apple logo." Sure we asked for the images, but every other generator says no, Copilot had no guardrails here. It did stop violent images and Tim Cook triggered a block too.

    "Mickey Mouse chopping through a wall like the shining" didn't work because of "chop" being too violent. So "Mickey breaking through a wall similar to the scene in Shining" did it.

    Just weird seeing where they drew the line.
    ForumPostapple4thewinwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 15
    eriamjheriamjh Posts: 1,711member
    If I ask for Godzilla taking a selfie, shouldn’t it look like Godzilla taking a selfie?   If I ask for Cookie Monster, shouldn’t it look like him?   

     If it can’t generate inspired by works, then what good is it?   Everything looks like something.    I can paint anything I want.  It’s when I SELL that thing, that I am violating copyright.   Or am I forbidden from imagining copyrighted works doing something different or new at all?   

    if you don’t want to be seen or copied, don’t post it on the internet!   

    Does it just need a disclaimer?   

    And ApplePark isn’t likely trademarked or copyrighted.   It’s a building.  I’m not making one.  I’m making an image of it.   An image that is clearly artwork.   

    I guess that’s why Apple’s AI images are all cartoonified.  
    edited July 23 ForumPostwatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 15
    eriamjh said: It’s when I SELL that thing, that I am violating copyright. 
    Sales aren't required to violate copyright. Example: file sharing of copyrighted material like movies, music, games. 
    thtwatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 15
    JamesCude said:
    Anyone who expects Microsoft to do the correct thing willingly hasn't been paying attention for the last few decades.
    Embrace, Extend, Extinguish...
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 15
    Wesley HilliardWesley Hilliard Posts: 230member, administrator, moderator, editor
    eriamjh said:
    If I ask for Godzilla taking a selfie, shouldn’t it look like Godzilla taking a selfie?   If I ask for Cookie Monster, shouldn’t it look like him?   

     If it can’t generate inspired by works, then what good is it?   Everything looks like something.    I can paint anything I want.  It’s when I SELL that thing, that I am violating copyright.   Or am I forbidden from imagining copyrighted works doing something different or new at all?   

    if you don’t want to be seen or copied, don’t post it on the internet!   

    Does it just need a disclaimer?   

    And ApplePark isn’t likely trademarked or copyrighted.   It’s a building.  I’m not making one.  I’m making an image of it.   An image that is clearly artwork.   

    I guess that’s why Apple’s AI images are all cartoonified.  
    This just isn't how any of this works. It's not that the end user wants to make a Mickey Mouse drawing. It's that the tool is unlawfully reproducing content it didn't pay for. You, the end user, aren't responsible for what the tool can do. Microsoft is.

    The story is about the fact that Microsoft Copilot seemingly doesn't have any guardrails against reproducing trademarked content. Every other legitimate tool does.

    That's the story. Now, how you feel about whether you should be able to clone trademarked/copyrighted material without paying and without permission, that's your business. We'll let you know when there's a law. For now, it's all gray and unknown territory. But, according to the existing system, software like Copilot should be sued for violating these things.

    For example, if Fortnite started letting people skin their characters from a property they didn't license, like (wtf have they not licensed? This is just an example) The Simpsons. The people skinning their characters aren't in trouble. Fortnite is.

    That's where the law is today on these AI generators. While arguments are being made over whether they should have ever been trained on Mickey Mouse without Disney's permission, the bots ability to reproduce that trademarked content is clearly defined by the law -- it isn't allowed.
    thtwatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 15
    eriamjheriamjh Posts: 1,711member
    eriamjh said: It’s when I SELL that thing, that I am violating copyright. 
    Sales aren't required to violate copyright. Example: file sharing of copyrighted material like movies, music, games. 
    Except this is more like making A cover song, filming a fan movie, or writing your own level of a game.   

    I sent you a GD Godzilla Memoji image.  I posted it on FB.   I made a Godzilla skin for a game.   

    Where’s the violation?  
    edited July 24
  • Reply 12 of 15
    AI can be hilarious: Runway of Power

    edited July 24 muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 13 of 15
    eriamjh said:
    If I ask for Godzilla taking a selfie, shouldn’t it look like Godzilla taking a selfie?   If I ask for Cookie Monster, shouldn’t it look like him?   

     If it can’t generate inspired by works, then what good is it?   Everything looks like something.    I can paint anything I want.  It’s when I SELL that thing, that I am violating copyright.   Or am I forbidden from imagining copyrighted works doing something different or new at all?   

    if you don’t want to be seen or copied, don’t post it on the internet!   

    Does it just need a disclaimer?   

    And ApplePark isn’t likely trademarked or copyrighted.   It’s a building.  I’m not making one.  I’m making an image of it.   An image that is clearly artwork.   

    I guess that’s why Apple’s AI images are all cartoonified.  
    This just isn't how any of this works. It's not that the end user wants to make a Mickey Mouse drawing. It's that the tool is unlawfully reproducing content it didn't pay for. You, the end user, aren't responsible for what the tool can do. Microsoft is.

    The story is about the fact that Microsoft Copilot seemingly doesn't have any guardrails against reproducing trademarked content. Every other legitimate tool does.

    That's the story. Now, how you feel about whether you should be able to clone trademarked/copyrighted material without paying and without permission, that's your business. We'll let you know when there's a law. For now, it's all gray and unknown territory. But, according to the existing system, software like Copilot should be sued for violating these things.

    For example, if Fortnite started letting people skin their characters from a property they didn't license, like (wtf have they not licensed? This is just an example) The Simpsons. The people skinning their characters aren't in trouble. Fortnite is.

    That's where the law is today on these AI generators. While arguments are being made over whether they should have ever been trained on Mickey Mouse without Disney's permission, the bots ability to reproduce that trademarked content is clearly defined by the law -- it isn't allowed.
    Especially with Disney paying for a Disney theming world in Fortnite it’s only a matter of time for Simpsons in Fortnite. Side note: if I am not mistaken Epic now allows creator made islands to upload art, 3d models, and more basically allowing stuff like FNAF characters in fortnite without a license (and i think these creators still get paid for it)
  • Reply 14 of 15
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,937member
    eriamjh said:
    eriamjh said: It’s when I SELL that thing, that I am violating copyright. 
    Sales aren't required to violate copyright. Example: file sharing of copyrighted material like movies, music, games. 
    Except this is more like making A cover song, filming a fan movie, or writing your own level of a game.   

    I sent you a GD Godzilla Memoji image.  I posted it on FB.   I made a Godzilla skin for a game.   

    Where’s the violation?  
    I have bad news for you, every one of those could get you sued for copyright violation. In the case of the cover song or the  fan movie using copyrighted characters and situations you would almost certainly lose. It just depends on how much of an AH the owner wanted to be, and when you are dealing with lawyers it’s best to assume the worst. YouTube and other video sites block or pull massive numbers of videos every day like those. I have a script I wrote for a comedy sketch based on Star Trek - Voyager. I won’t even try to get it produced. 
    edited July 24 watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 15
    eriamjh said:
    eriamjh said: It’s when I SELL that thing, that I am violating copyright. 
    Sales aren't required to violate copyright. Example: file sharing of copyrighted material like movies, music, games. 
    Except this is more like making A cover song, filming a fan movie, or writing your own level of a game.   

    I sent you a GD Godzilla Memoji image.  I posted it on FB.   I made a Godzilla skin for a game.   

    Where’s the violation?  
    Distribution is the violation. This is a major corporation making copyrighted material available to millions of users. Do they have a licensing agreement for the copyrighted material that is being distributed?
    22july2013
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