You do realize true Panther development probably didn't start until a few weeks ago, and will take another few months?
Sigh.
Actually, I know that Panther dev started last year. But up until just recently almost all the work was under the hood - the APIs, kernel, subsystems, etc... none of the GUI stuff. Plus all the apps that will be updated - those are on a separate track, though I have no idea when they started.
But I can assure you that Panther dev started around the same time that 10.2.0 was released and really hit full swing by the end of LAST year.
Agreed. But I'm just as sure that complete builds didn't get made until earlier this year.
What do you mean by complete builds?
The make changes, build the system and test it.
They are not testing 10.3 features on top of Jaguar.
When you branch something out you have two systems:
One will end up as 10.2 and will have several bugfixes (10.2.1-10.2.6).
One will end up as 10.3 and will be named 10.3 right away.
Take a look at Mozilla.org, they branched out after 1.0.
1.0.x is still being worked on and is the stable release, but they are also making new versions of Mozilla with new features, and a prerelease on Mozilla 1.1a was released almost the day after they released 1.0.
That's what I meant when I said that I believe they branched out before 10.2 was released.
When 10.2 was feature complete, the 10.3 team took the code and started on 10.3. I think that they would make complete builds several times a week.
Builds that include all utilities and are released as disk images.
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The make changes, build the system and test it.
They are not testing 10.3 features on top of Jaguar.
When you branch something out you have two systems:
One will end up as 10.2 and will have several bugfixes (10.2.1-10.2.6).
One will end up as 10.3 and will be named 10.3 right away.
I never said they didn't branch after 10.2. I said that they were working on various areas in the 10.3 branch, not on the whole tree.
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Take a look at Mozilla.org, they branched out after 1.0.
I think I know enough about mozilla.org's build system, thank you.
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1.0.x is still being worked on and is the stable release, but they are also making new versions of Mozilla with new features, and a prerelease on Mozilla 1.1a was released almost the day after they released 1.0.
Indeed.
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That's what I meant when I said that I believe they branched out before 10.2 was released.
Yes, I suppose they did.
But Mozilla is a browser with "only" about 200 Megs of code (IIRC). Surely Mac OS X is a lot more, so they probably have multiple teams working on each a part of that code. The team that combines all the parts and does the QA probably didn't start working until early this year.
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When 10.2 was feature complete, the 10.3 team took the code and started on 10.3. I think that they would make complete builds several times a week.
Everytime we're waiting for screenshots or builds to appear, someone claims to have found a 'bug' in a leaked screenshot. It's ALWAYS the same 'bug'. It's always the copyright years. It's been like that since the early Copland builds, really. Just forget about it: That's the LAST part Apple will polish.
However, the Piles feature shows only dummy icons.
We'll see soon enough... The first build of Jaguar that was widely leaked was 6C35 (the WWDC build), and 6C48 followed soon after. I'm pretty sure we won't see many builds BEFORE WWDC.
The idea is that you first make a "new pile", like the "new folder" command. Then you add files, aliases and so on. You could also select several documents and make them a pile with a "make pile of selected items" option. Smart piles has also been discussed in the thread mentioned before.
The idea is that you first make a "new pile", like the "new folder" command. Then you add files, aliases and so on. You could also select several documents and make them a pile with a "make pile of selected items" option. Smart piles has also been discussed in the thread mentioned before.
I still don't buy it since the pile only shows what's in there - how would an empty pile look like?
The idea is that you first make a "new pile", like the "new folder" command. Then you add files, aliases and so on.
I doubt that's how it'll work (because that would create empty piles). I rather think it'll work as follows:
1. You have a bunch of files of same type (say, Excel spreadsheets about this year's taxes).
2. You choose "New Pile" (I think "New pile from selection" would be more appropriate for the menu item; also, it should be in the context menu as well) from the File menu.
3. The Finder will read the metadata of all chosen files. It'll look for things in common (in this case, all documents are spreadsheets, and all of them are about this year's taxes).
4. A pile will be created, named "Taxes 2003". Its icon will be all documents on top of each other, as seen in that Flash demo (what was the URL again?). Hovering over one of them will show what that particular file's name and Metadata is.
I doubt that's how it'll work (because that would create empty piles). I rather think it'll work as follows:
1. You have a bunch of files of same type (say, Excel spreadsheets about this year's taxes).
2. You choose "New Pile" (I think "New pile from selection" would be more appropriate for the menu item; also, it should be in the context menu as well) from the File menu.
3. The Finder will read the metadata of all chosen files. It'll look for things in common (in this case, all documents are spreadsheets, and all of them are about this year's taxes).
4. A pile will be created, named "Taxes 2003". Its icon will be all documents on top of each other, as seen in that Flash demo (what was the URL again?). Hovering over one of them will show what that particular file's name and Metadata is.
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Originally posted by Chucker
You do realize true Panther development probably didn't start until a few weeks ago, and will take another few months?
Sigh.
Actually, I know that Panther dev started last year. But up until just recently almost all the work was under the hood - the APIs, kernel, subsystems, etc... none of the GUI stuff. Plus all the apps that will be updated - those are on a separate track, though I have no idea when they started.
But I can assure you that Panther dev started around the same time that 10.2.0 was released and really hit full swing by the end of LAST year.
Major OS releases don't occur in a few months.
Full Screen Panther Screen-Shot
Originally posted by Defiant
Panther File Menu
Full Screen Panther Screen-Shot
That all you got for us?
Originally posted by Chucker
Agreed. But I'm just as sure that complete builds didn't get made until earlier this year.
What do you mean by complete builds?
The make changes, build the system and test it.
They are not testing 10.3 features on top of Jaguar.
When you branch something out you have two systems:
One will end up as 10.2 and will have several bugfixes (10.2.1-10.2.6).
One will end up as 10.3 and will be named 10.3 right away.
Take a look at Mozilla.org, they branched out after 1.0.
1.0.x is still being worked on and is the stable release, but they are also making new versions of Mozilla with new features, and a prerelease on Mozilla 1.1a was released almost the day after they released 1.0.
That's what I meant when I said that I believe they branched out before 10.2 was released.
When 10.2 was feature complete, the 10.3 team took the code and started on 10.3. I think that they would make complete builds several times a week.
Originally posted by JLL
What do you mean by complete builds?
Builds that include all utilities and are released as disk images.
The make changes, build the system and test it.
They are not testing 10.3 features on top of Jaguar.
When you branch something out you have two systems:
One will end up as 10.2 and will have several bugfixes (10.2.1-10.2.6).
One will end up as 10.3 and will be named 10.3 right away.
I never said they didn't branch after 10.2. I said that they were working on various areas in the 10.3 branch, not on the whole tree.
Take a look at Mozilla.org, they branched out after 1.0.
I think I know enough about mozilla.org's build system, thank you.
1.0.x is still being worked on and is the stable release, but they are also making new versions of Mozilla with new features, and a prerelease on Mozilla 1.1a was released almost the day after they released 1.0.
Indeed.
That's what I meant when I said that I believe they branched out before 10.2 was released.
Yes, I suppose they did.
But Mozilla is a browser with "only" about 200 Megs of code (IIRC). Surely Mac OS X is a lot more, so they probably have multiple teams working on each a part of that code. The team that combines all the parts and does the QA probably didn't start working until early this year.
When 10.2 was feature complete, the 10.3 team took the code and started on 10.3. I think that they would make complete builds several times a week.
I don't think so.
Some of my regular sources claimed there are big chances that Apple-X.net screenshots are fake.
No kidding
Originally posted by Nebagakid
why hasn't apple pulled them yet, if they are the real dealium!!!??
CONFIRMED by Apple Legal: Phanter screenshots fake
Originally posted by Nebagakid
why hasn't apple pulled them yet, if they are the real dealium!!!??
Because then, we'd immediately be led to believe that they are real.
However, the Piles feature shows only dummy icons.
We'll see soon enough... The first build of Jaguar that was widely leaked was 6C35 (the WWDC build), and 6C48 followed soon after. I'm pretty sure we won't see many builds BEFORE WWDC.
What's that supposed to do? Piles consists of multiple files, how can you have an empty pile?
Originally posted by JLL
One of the things, that seems weird in the shots is the New Pile command.
What's that supposed to do? Piles consists of multiple files, how can you have an empty pile?
Been discussed here before.
The idea is that you first make a "new pile", like the "new folder" command. Then you add files, aliases and so on. You could also select several documents and make them a pile with a "make pile of selected items" option. Smart piles has also been discussed in the thread mentioned before.
Originally posted by NETROMac
Been discussed here before.
The idea is that you first make a "new pile", like the "new folder" command. Then you add files, aliases and so on. You could also select several documents and make them a pile with a "make pile of selected items" option. Smart piles has also been discussed in the thread mentioned before.
I still don't buy it since the pile only shows what's in there - how would an empty pile look like?
Furthermore the piles are way too big.
Those screenshots are 100% fake!!
[B]I still don't buy it since the pile only shows what's in there - how would an empty pile look like?
You mean you don't know what an empty pile looks like ???
Furthermore the piles are way too big.
Fake!!!
Those screenshots are 100% fake!!
Originally posted by JLL
I still don't buy it since the pile only shows what's in there
Which is what it's supposed to do.
- how would an empty pile look like?
A pile is the sum of its contents, and nothing else. Henceforth, a pile cannot be empty.
Originally posted by NETROMac
The idea is that you first make a "new pile", like the "new folder" command. Then you add files, aliases and so on.
I doubt that's how it'll work (because that would create empty piles). I rather think it'll work as follows:
1. You have a bunch of files of same type (say, Excel spreadsheets about this year's taxes).
2. You choose "New Pile" (I think "New pile from selection" would be more appropriate for the menu item; also, it should be in the context menu as well) from the File menu.
3. The Finder will read the metadata of all chosen files. It'll look for things in common (in this case, all documents are spreadsheets, and all of them are about this year's taxes).
4. A pile will be created, named "Taxes 2003". Its icon will be all documents on top of each other, as seen in that Flash demo (what was the URL again?). Hovering over one of them will show what that particular file's name and Metadata is.
Originally posted by Chucker
A pile is the sum of its contents, and nothing else. Henceforth, a pile cannot be empty.
Which is my point concerning the Make Pile command.
Originally posted by Chucker
I doubt that's how it'll work (because that would create empty piles). I rather think it'll work as follows:
1. You have a bunch of files of same type (say, Excel spreadsheets about this year's taxes).
2. You choose "New Pile" (I think "New pile from selection" would be more appropriate for the menu item; also, it should be in the context menu as well) from the File menu.
3. The Finder will read the metadata of all chosen files. It'll look for things in common (in this case, all documents are spreadsheets, and all of them are about this year's taxes).
4. A pile will be created, named "Taxes 2003". Its icon will be all documents on top of each other, as seen in that Flash demo (what was the URL again?). Hovering over one of them will show what that particular file's name and Metadata is.
Ok, Chucker, you may have a point there.