Apple requests anti-steering injunction in Epic case be tossed given new precedent

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Another major twist has occurred in the Epic vs Apple case that may end with everything getting thrown out thanks to new precedents and a lack of evidence from Epic.

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Epic vs Apple continues



The Epic vs Apple saga resulted in an injunction forcing Apple to remove its anti-steering rules, but Epic wasn't happy with Apple's implementation. After more back and forth, Apple was meant to produce 1.3 million documents related to the App Store rules, but it produced something else unexpected on Monday.

Apple has filed for the court to set aside its injunction based on two new sets of precedents that didn't exist when the injunction was filed. The 32 page court document goes into excruciating detail, and was first shared by X user Vidushi Dyall.

Basically, Apple says the injunction is no longer viable given two specific cases that took place in recent months -- Beverage vs Apple and Murthy vs Missouri. The first is a state case that establishes Apple's anti-steering rules aren't unfair, and the second is, well, complicated.

To simplify it as much as possible, the Beverage vs Apple case establishes a ruling by a state government that cannot be contradicted by the federal government. So, the nationwide injunction no longer can be enforced without violating that state-level ruling that Apple's anti-steering rules are fair.

The Murthy vs Missouri case has to do with plaintiffs claiming the Biden administration pressured social media companies to control misinformation during the COVID-19 pandemic. That's all mostly irrelevant besides how the court ruled, which says plaintiffs must establish a substantial future risk through evidence.

Apple says the Murthy ruling is important here because Epic is unable to establish how Apple's anti-steering rules directly affect Epic's business. That there is no proof that users would go to Epic and spend money without anti-steering in place instead of some alternative store.

Combining the two, Apple says there is ground to throw out the injunction or at least limit it to only apply to Epic. This all means that Apple could reestablish its anti-steering rules in the App Store Guidelines -- unless it is dealing with Epic Games.

There is no doubt that this latest push from Apple will be met with appeals and arguments for months to come. Apple seems to make a credible case for changing or removing the injunction, but it all depends on what the court decides.



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  • Reply 1 of 11
    omasouomasou Posts: 613member
    NEWS FLASH: Tim Sweeney found pass out and unresponsive in his mother’s basement today after Apple’s anti-steering filing.

    Doctors stated that it appears Mr. Sweeney’s neck muscle became so tense that they temporarily restricted blood flow to his brain, causing him to pass out and temporarily loose consciousness. /s
    edited September 30
  • Reply 3 of 11
    a ruling by a state government that cannot be contradicted by the federal government.

    I'm gonna have to see if I can find out how that works.  Normally, federal law trumps state law unless it's something the federal constitution delegates to the states.  I can't imagine steering provisions fall under that.

    williamlondon
  • Reply 4 of 11
    a ruling by a state government that cannot be contradicted by the federal government.

    I'm gonna have to see if I can find out how that works.  Normally, federal law trumps state law unless it's something the federal constitution delegates to the states.  I can't imagine steering provisions fall under that.

    The Federal Court found that Apple was in violation of California state law, California Unfair Competition Act. Apple is arguing that the state found that hadn’t violated it. So I believe the argument is that the state courts are the superseding authority given that it is a state law in question not a federal law. I am by no means an expert. 
    beowulfschmidtappleinsideruser
  • Reply 5 of 11
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,605member
    AppleInsider said:
    "There is no doubt that this latest push from Apple will be met with appeals and arguments for months to come."

    Since Apple was already barred from further appealing, the only way this could happen is if Apple can somehow persuade the judge who made the ruling to vacate it.
    edited October 1 ronn
  • Reply 6 of 11
    The anti-steering ruling has never made much sense due to the iPhone providing users with a wide variety of methods for obtaining information about products. Users are not limited to accessing the App Store to get information about apps or developers. They also have access to the internet, social media, email, text messages, direct messaging etc. and it's all on the same device. 
    ronnwilliamlondontmayappleinsideruser
  • Reply 7 of 11
    The anti-steering ruling has never made much sense due to the iPhone providing users with a wide variety of methods for obtaining information about products. Users are not limited to accessing the App Store to get information about apps or developers. They also have access to the internet, social media, email, text messages, direct messaging etc. and it's all on the same device. 
    I completely agree. My example is Pokemon Go, I use their online store over IAP because I do get more… But I didn’t find that website through a link in the app, I looked online and did some research to find out they have an online store for purchases. The store also has exclusive purchases you can’t get in the app. 

    Epic is just being lazy and cheap. They have an audience they could easily reach out to and let them know about the store through other means (social media, youtube, content creator colabs, etc.)
    ronnforegoneconclusionwilliamlondontmaydanox
  • Reply 8 of 11
    flydogflydog Posts: 1,139member
    a ruling by a state government that cannot be contradicted by the federal government.

    I'm gonna have to see if I can find out how that works.  Normally, federal law trumps state law unless it's something the federal constitution delegates to the states.  I can't imagine steering provisions fall under that.

    The problem is your reading comprehension.

    What you quoted is "a ruling by a state government that cannot be contradicted by the federal government."

    That's not the same as "federal law."

    williamlondon
  • Reply 9 of 11
    flydogflydog Posts: 1,139member
    The anti-steering ruling has never made much sense due to the iPhone providing users with a wide variety of methods for obtaining information about products. Users are not limited to accessing the App Store to get information about apps or developers. They also have access to the internet, social media, email, text messages, direct messaging etc. and it's all on the same device. 
    Should make perfect sense since the crux of the lawsuit is that Apple prohibited developers from linking out to their websites, web stores, social media pages, etc to communicate alternative payment methods. 
    williamlondon
  • Reply 10 of 11
    a ruling by a state government that cannot be contradicted by the federal government.

    I'm gonna have to see if I can find out how that works.  Normally, federal law trumps state law unless it's something the federal constitution delegates to the states.  I can't imagine steering provisions fall under that.

    what about the 10th amendment?  If it is not expressly stated in the Constitution, it is reserved to the States and the individual respectively.  Where is this expressly stated in the Constitution?  If not, isn’t reserved as a State’s issue?  Really hate it when we can’t get our Bill of Rights down correctly.
  • Reply 11 of 11
    flydog said:
    The anti-steering ruling has never made much sense due to the iPhone providing users with a wide variety of methods for obtaining information about products. Users are not limited to accessing the App Store to get information about apps or developers. They also have access to the internet, social media, email, text messages, direct messaging etc. and it's all on the same device. 
    Should make perfect sense since the crux of the lawsuit is that Apple prohibited developers from linking out to their websites, web stores, social media pages, etc to communicate alternative payment methods. 
    Yes, exactly the same way Walmart isn’t allowed to advertise in Target or any other store, digital or physical. What don’t people get about that? It’s Apple’s store. Not Epic's. Will Sweeney allow steering in the Epic Store? If not, he’s a shit liar about his motives here. 
    ronn
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