Surgeons say Apple Vision Pro saves them pain and injury

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Apple Vision Pro is being praised by surgeons for its high resolution images and its ergonomics, which may even save them injuries that now lead to early retirement.

Two surgeons wearing blue scrubs and augmented reality headsets work in an operating room filled with medical equipment.
Surgery underway using Apple Vision Pro (Source: UC San Diego Health)

Since its launch in
February 2024, the Apple Vision Pro has already been used by surgeons in the US, and across the globe. Now the first surgeon to ever perform a robotically assisted gastric-bypass operation, is now a proponent of the Apple Vision Pro both for patients and surgeons.

Santiago Horgan heads the Center for the Future of Surgery at UC San Diego, and told Time magazine that the Apple Vision Pro is more significant than the robot tool he used in 2000. "This is the same level of revolution, but will impact more lives because of the access to it," he says.

Horgan has previously tried Microsoft's HoloLens and Google Glass, but says their image resolution was not high enough. Apple Vision Pro is and in September 2023, with a pre-release test headset, he and colleagues performed a paraesophageal hernia operation wearing it.

"We are all blown away: it was better than we even expected," says Horgan. "I'm usually turning around and stopping the operation to see a CT scan; looking to see what happened with the endoscopy [another small camera that provides a closer look at organs]; looking at the monitor for the heart rate."

Instead, with Apple Vision Pro, Horgan can concentrate on the operation uninterrupted. That's better for the patient because they are on the operating table for less time, but it also has benefits for the surgeon.

Reportedly, 20% of surgeons polled in a 2022 study said that they would consider early retirement because of the discomfort of operations. Having to operate on a patient while looking up at a screen and taking in information from around the operating room even causes surgeons pain.

If it continues keeping experienced surgeons working, the price of the headset is more than worth it. But Christopher Longhurst, Horgan's colleague and chief clinical and innovation officer at UC San Diego Health, says price isn't the issue it would be for consumers.

"The monitors in the operating room are probably $20,000 to $30,000," he said. "So $3,500 for a headset is like budget dust in the healthcare setting."

The future of Apple Vision Pro in surgery



Longhurst is also working with the Apple Vision Pro on 3D radiology imaging. For this and different medical applications, Longhurst says his team believes that the Apple Vision Pro "is going to be the standard of care in the next years to come, in operating rooms all over the world."

Miguel Burch, head of the general surgery division at the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, says that part of this is down to how Apple Vision Pro is a single device instead of a series of them.

"If everything we wanted to use in augmented reality is proprietarily attached to a different device, then we have 10 headsets and 15 different monitors," says Burch. "But with [Apple Vision Pro], you can use it with anything that has a video feed."

Burch also says he personally has sustained three unspecified injuries from performing minimally-invasive surgeries before the existence of the Apple Vision Pro. He calls the headset "ergonomically a solution to the silent problem of surgeons having to end their careers earlier."

Separately, a UK surgical assistant switched from HoloLens 2 to the Apple Vision Pro in March 2024, and described it as a "gamechanger."



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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 9
    All I got from this is, how does a monitor cost $30,000? Especially when all the monitors I see in hospitals display simple graphs and numbers.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 2 of 9
    hogman said:
    All I got from this is, how does a monitor cost $30,000? Especially when all the monitors I see in hospitals display simple graphs and numbers.

    monitor (noun)

    1. an instrument or device used for observing, checking, or keeping a continuous record of a process or quantity. (eg, heart monitor)
    2. an electronic device with a screen used for display (as of television pictures or computer information)

    Their usage is the first definition, not the second.
    edited 8:56AM
  • Reply 3 of 9
    jimh2jimh2 Posts: 659member
    I seriously doubt the $30,000 surgical monitors are as good as the Apple Pro Displays as 1/6th the cost. I have worked for some medical/dental practices for the last dozen or so years and they all are fleeced regularly for any number of reasons. The first being they are an easy mark. The next is consolidation has limited the number of vendors though even when there were more the prices were +/- a few percent. New entrants with hardware an essentially crippled because they do not have API access to the software to integrate with the patient management tools. All of the third party instruments have to do extra steps to work. In the case of in mouth dental x-ray devices the choices are $7500 and $10,000 made by the same company that sells the patient management software. The latter integrates perfectly, but the former requires additional steps. One office tried one and stuck it out until it failed but never again. From that point forward it was products made by the same company. 

    There are other things like "certified" computers to use with the patient management software. They typically cost about double and are the same Dell's anyone can buy with a massive amount of markup. Doctors/Dentists no nothing about IT other than it has to work and the vendor scare tactics work well.
    williamlondondanox
  • Reply 4 of 9
    hogman said:
    All I got from this is, how does a monitor cost $30,000? Especially when all the monitors I see in hospitals display simple graphs and numbers.
    For the same reason they charge you $1,000 for a Tylenol, I guess.
    williamlondon
  • Reply 5 of 9
    yes, after the surgery they see their favorite movies  :D
    edited 12:15PM
  • Reply 6 of 9
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,535member
    Very interesting and encouraging! 
  • Reply 7 of 9
    MarvinMarvin Posts: 15,452moderator
    hogman said:
    All I got from this is, how does a monitor cost $30,000? Especially when all the monitors I see in hospitals display simple graphs and numbers.
    It's similar to reference monitors for movies. Apple compared their XDR displays to $20000+ reference displays from Sony. They tend to have better calibration and features for their use cases.

    https://www.monitors.com/collections/surgical-displays
    https://www.monitors.com/collections/surgical-displays/products/barco-mdsc-8358-k9307938

    https://synergymedco.com/product/sony-lmd-xh550mt-55in-4k-3d-2d-lcd-medical-monitor/ (medical features listed)
    https://www.medicalecart.com/products/sony-lmd-xh550mt-55-inch-4k-3d-2d-lcd-monitor-high-performance-medical-monitor-box-of-01.html

    Low glare, picture-in-picture, 3D image input, color accurate, designed for easy cleaning for hygiene etc.
  • Reply 8 of 9
    miiwtwo said:
    yes, after the surgery they see their favorite movies  :D
    You hope it's "after" and not "during"... would hate my surgeon to be laughing it up to Ted Lasso during my procedure... and for God's sake, please turn on "Do Not Disturb"...  :s
  • Reply 9 of 9
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,311member
    There will be some smart doctors that also know how to program that will build software tools to make use of the Apple Vision or some future variants going forward in the medical fields.

    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/exex-and-neurosurgeon-dr-robert-masson-achieve-world-first-using-apple-vision-pro-302054787.html 

    https://healthsystemcio.com/2024/09/30/apple-vision-pro-longhurst-broderick/ Rumblings in the force Apple definitely needed to release the Apple Vision to get it into the hands of as many very smart people so that they can get as much feedback to the hardware and software engineers at Apple to flesh out Vision OS and build new API’s needed by the developers.

    https://www.zdnet.com/article/these-are-the-vision-pro-apps-apple-says-will-transform-healthcare/

    Obviously none of this is instantaneous, the Apple Vision ramp up will be the same as the Apple Watch small iterative steps that build up into big things over time, the software/hardware race is at the beginning of the cycle.

    Buy more shares or continue to hold? Hmm….
    edited 2:49PM
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