EU might fine Apple for failure to comply with DMA, for real this time

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The European Union's Digital Markets Act may lead to the first fine against Apple after repeated failed attempts to comply with the word and spirit of the law.

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EU could fine Apple soon over failure to comply with DMA



Apple has had a tough time trying to comply with the new laws meant to prevent monopolies from controlling a market. Specifically, Apple's anti-steering practices keep coming under fire.

According to a report from Bloomberg, the EU may be gearing up to fine Apple for failure to comply with the DMA, though details are still unknown. The fine could be levied before Margrethe Vestager leaves office in November, or it could be pushed to a later date in 2024.

The anonymous sources state Apple could be hit with one big fine that is followed up with periodic penalty payments as long as Apple isn't in compliance. Though, the report fails to state exactly how Apple isn't complying with the law and what is drawing the potential fine in November.

Despite Apple's claims that it has complied with the laws each time, it has continued to morph and change its own rules in an attempt to satisfy regulators. The most recent change came in November, removing basically all anti-steering practices and eliminating the Core Technology Fee for all but 1% of iOS apps.

It isn't clear if Tuesday's reports of a fine are about Apple having not implemented these changes yet, or if these proposed changes still aren't enough. The fine could be as much as 10% of global annual sales or 5% of average daily revenue.

A previous report in June suggested Apple was about to be fined then, but it didn't happen. These insider sources may hear rumblings of plans, but ultimately it's up to the EU watchdogs to make a ruling.

Apple's controversial response to the DMA has come under constant scrutiny from the start. Regulators argue that Apple may be complying with the letter of the law, but not the spirit, which drives developers away from taking advantage of the provided solutions.

The saga will inevitably continue for months or years to come as the EU continues to browbeat Apple for complying with the DMA the wrong way. There's no telling what Apple can do to satisfy the antitrust watchdogs beyond not charging any money and allowing users to do whatever they please.



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  • Reply 1 of 28

    Apple's controversial response to the DMA has come under constant scrutiny from the start. Regulators argue that Apple may be complying with the letter of the law, but not the spirit, which drives developers away from taking advantage of the provided solutions.


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    That’s because the spirit of the law is inscrutable.  Please, someone explain to me what the sprit of the DMA is, because as it stands it seems to be that the “gatekeepers” have to suffer financial loses to satisfy the DMA and if they aren’t then the spirit isn’t being met.
    phillyfanatic09elijahgkillroyJFC_PAssfe11williamlondonAlex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 28
    In the end, Europe could simply price Apple out of their market. Apple is a for profit company. If the fines exceed Apple’s profits in Europe, why do business there?
    JFC_PAteejay2012ssfe11Alex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 28
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,308member
    In the end, Europe could simply price Apple out of their market. Apple is a for profit company. If the fines exceed Apple’s profits in Europe, why do business there?
    Fine with me. Once Apple leaves the EU cartel, the people will start screaming or simply find a way to get Apple products outside of the EU. Use a VPN to download software and treat your devices as being in the US. 
    killroyssfe11Alex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 28
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,846member
    In the end, Europe could simply price Apple out of their market. Apple is a for profit company. If the fines exceed Apple’s profits in Europe, why do business there?
    Well EU citizens aren't getting Apple Intelligence due to some EU directive.. Which no doubt the EU will claim is Apple's fault for not complying, not their own for inventing a directive that cannot reasonably be met. This sort of pig-headed ignorance is a big reason why the UK left the EU.
    killroyteejay2012JanNLAlex1Nssfe11watto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 28
    sirdirsirdir Posts: 196member
    They did try NOT to comply which won’t work. And Apple Intelligence held as a hostage won’t help either.
    muthuk_vanalingamnubuswilliamlondonAlex1N
  • Reply 6 of 28
    sirdirsirdir Posts: 196member
    In the end, Europe could simply price Apple out of their market. Apple is a for profit company. If the fines exceed Apple’s profits in Europe, why do business there?
    They could, you know, comply with the law.
    muthuk_vanalingamnubuswilliamlondon
  • Reply 7 of 28
    sirdir said:
    They did try NOT to comply which won’t work. And Apple Intelligence held as a hostage won’t help either.
    Apple added hundreds and hundreds of new APIs to comply. Again, if the DMA wasn’t inscrutable things would be much easier. As I asked above, if you can, please explain what the spirit of the DMA is.

    Regarding Apple Intelligence, it’s completely reasonable for Apple not to release it in the EU until there is more clarity around how it fits, or doesn’t, with the DMA. Apple Intelligence isn’t an app, it’s deeply ingrained in the OS. Note, too, that Apple Intelligence is only being withheld in the EU on iOS and iPadOS, not on macOS, which isn’t considered a “gatekeeper”.
    JanNLtmayssfe11williamlondonAlex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 28
    sirdir said:
    In the end, Europe could simply price Apple out of their market. Apple is a for profit company. If the fines exceed Apple’s profits in Europe, why do business there?
    They could, you know, comply with the law.
    I’m sure Apple will try. The problem of course is that the DMA is broadly written, variably enforced and allows extremely massive fines. Suppose Apple faces fines far exceeding profits in Europe with no clear path forward other than to give free rides to any company the EU blesses? Again, why do business under those conditions?
    JFC_PAteejay2012ssfe11williamlondonAlex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 28
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,914member
    "Not complying with the spirit of the law" is a very vague legal concept.  If compliance with the letter of the law doesn't guarantee compliance with the spirit of the law, then the law is badly written.  The authorities are basically saying "the law is whatever we say it is in your specific case, and it may change in other cases, with other respondents."  Terrible.

    I believe Apple can bring it to the EU court who tend to be more careful about these matters.  The EU's competition watchdogs seem to be operating under no coherent legal or economic principles except "We don't like non-EU companies to be too big or too profitable."
    edited November 5 JFC_PAteejay2012blastdoortmaywilliamlondonAlex1Nelijahg
  • Reply 10 of 28
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,597member
    sirdir said:
    They did try NOT to comply which won’t work. And Apple Intelligence held as a hostage won’t help either.
    It's not "being held hostage." It's unavailable outside the US, full stop. That includes non-EU countries, if you haven't looked at a map lately.

    Even Canada doesn't get Apple Intelligence until next month. Even if Apple wanted to include Europe, it can't launch Apple Intelligence until it is localized in Euro languages. That will probably happen starting with 18.2, for at least some countries.
    edited November 5 nubusssfe11williamlondonAlex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 28
    "the report fails to state exactly how Apple isn't complying with the law and what is drawing the potential fine in November."

    # Seems like Ms. Vestager does not want to even tell Apple how to avoid the fine because she just want the fine paid first then she will let them know.  Courts should have something to say about that. 
    ssfe11williamlondonAlex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 28
    nubusnubus Posts: 618member
    In the end, Europe could simply price Apple out of their market. Apple is a for profit company. If the fines exceed Apple’s profits in Europe, why do business there?
    We're not there yet. There are no EU jobs related to Apple that can't be found with Android. Next EU election is 2029 and with Trump as president we will have nationalism and protectionism on both sides. Trump will obviously place taxes on wine, cars,... and he will stop the support for Ukraine causing EU to rapidly move arms manufacturing back. The deal used to be "we buy weapons at inflated prices for protection". Politicians simply don't have time for a foreign smartphone company trying to avoid competition.
    williamlondonAlex1Nelijahgwunderfitz
  • Reply 13 of 28
    shrave10 said:
    "the report fails to state exactly how Apple isn't complying with the law and what is drawing the potential fine in November."

    # Seems like Ms. Vestager does not want to even tell Apple how to avoid the fine because she just want the fine paid first then she will let them know.  Courts should have something to say about that. 

    The problem seems to me to be that the law is specifically designed to penalize Apple and empty Apple's pockets.  As such, it will be nigh impossible for Apple to actually comply with the law, as the EU will simply reinterpret the "spirit" of the law to something else.  Goalpost moving is common among confiscatory governments, and I am not excluding some U.S. agencies.
    9secondkox2Alex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 28
    ssfe11ssfe11 Posts: 104member
    Ya the Trump Administration is not going to allow the EU to bully American companies anymore. Thst nonsense is going to stop
    9secondkox2williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 28
    ihatescreennames said: Apple added hundreds and hundreds of new APIs to comply. Again, if the DMA wasn’t inscrutable things would be much easier. As I asked above, if you can, please explain what the spirit of the DMA is.
    The spirit of the DMA is supposed to be about increasing competition. The problem is that the EU thinks the central focus of mobile competition is the app stores. The actual history of mobile shows that competition is primarily between the hardware/OS being offered and between the individual apps. 
    Alex1Nelijahgwatto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 28
    ssfe11 said:
    Ya the Trump Administration is not going to allow the EU to bully American companies anymore. Thst nonsense is going to stop
    Instead they're going to bully American consumers by increasing the prices of products via tariffs and kowtowing to the economic whims of billionaires that offer the largest bribes for even larger taxpayer subsidies of their pet projects.
    edited November 6 apple4thewinAlex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 28
    ssfe11 said:
    Ya the Trump Administration is not going to allow the EU to bully American companies anymore. Thst nonsense is going to stop
    Instead they're going to bully American consumers by increasing the prices of products via tariffs and kowtowing to the economic whims of billionaires that offer the largest bribes for even larger taxpayer subsidies of their pet projects.
    Yup cause the average supporter thinks tariffs hurt the international market not their own pocketbook
    foregoneconclusion9secondkox2watto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 28
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,407member
    Corning glass is now up for review by the EU what the hell, I hate Trump. However, if he means anything that he came out of his mouth, his administration should get on this, the EU is way out of hand, :smile: 

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_5681 I own no shares in Corning Glass but just because you design and engineer better than the competition that doesn’t make you uncompetitive, long-term. I don’t hold out any hope that things will really change however.

    The EU is in someways worse than China. China will just steal/reverse engineer and move on and later undercut you in price the EU seems to be more insidious time wasting in their methods.
    edited November 6 apple4thewin9secondkox2williamlondonAlex1Nelijahgwatto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 28
    ssfe11 said:
    Ya the Trump Administration is not going to allow the EU to bully American companies anymore. Thst nonsense is going to stop
    Instead they're going to bully American consumers by increasing the prices of products via tariffs and kowtowing to the economic whims of billionaires that offer the largest bribes for even larger taxpayer subsidies of their pet projects.
    Yup cause the average supporter thinks tariffs hurt the international market not their own pocketbook
    The average supporter doesn't remember that Trump claimed GDP would be 4-6% during his first term and it ended up at 2.5%....well below the 3.3% of Biden. 
    edited November 6 9secondkox2Alex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 28
    I wonder if apple did anything to EU or not, they seem to target apple in all kind of issues and become more and more and won't let apple goes what so ever. is what ever the EU do, is it for the better or personal grudge against apple?
    watto_cobra
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