16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: The pinnacle of the portable Mac

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The new M4 Max-powered 16-inch MacBook Pro is a beast of a machine, that highlights the raw power and efficiency of Apple Silicon.

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16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Peak MacBook Pro



The latest MacBook Pro update arrived in November, alongside multiple other Macs. We similarly got a new M4-powered iMac and a completely redesigned Mac mini.

Looking at the MacBook Pros specifically, they come in both 14- and 16-inch versions. You can get the 14-inch in M4 and M4 Pro versions and the 16-inch with the M4 Pro or M4 Max.



We're looking at the Space Black 16-inch MacBook Pro with the M4 Max processor and its 40-core GPU. It has 1TB of storage and 64GB of unified memory.

16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Internals and ports



Much of this machine is the same as before. The design is unchanged on the outside, other than that the base M4 model can now be obtained in the Space Black colorway that's become so popular. We still wish it was a bit darker.

A hand with a ring touches a black laptop near the keyboard and charging port on a white table.
16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: The left side has MagSafe 3, Thunderbolt 5 ports, and an audio jack



As you face it, on the left of the machine is a MagSafe 3 port for charging at up to 140W, saddled by two Thunderbolt ports and a 3.5mm audio jack. The right has an SDXC card reader, another Thunderbolt port, and an HDMI connector.

You get Apple's excellent built in keyboard above the still-spacious glass trackpad. Years later, Apple's trackpad is still unmatched by the competition.

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16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: The keyboard is as good as ever and a joy to type on



The display is 16.2-inches on the diagonal and measures 3456 by 2234 in resolution. It looks beautiful, has 1000 nits of typical brightness, ProMotion up to 120Hz, supports the P3 wide color gamut, and has TrueTone.

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16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: What's new this time around?



There are a number of improvements here, even if Apple kept the body the same. For example, the display's 1000 nit max brightness is 400 nits above where it was before.

A laptop screen displays a forest with tall trees and mist, showing a time of 12:22 and a login prompt with a yin-yang symbol.
16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: The screen looks gorgeous with the matte finish



That's particularly useful when outdoors, no matter if you opted for the glossy or the new nano-texture finish. Similarly, it can get dimmer too.

If you've ever worked into the wee hours or tried to use your computer in bed in the dark, you may have tried to turn your display brightness extremely low. Like the iPhone 16 line, it can now go as low as 1 nit.

We certainly work into the wee hours of the night, frequently. So, this, like it was on the iPhone, has been a surprisingly useful feature.

Not everyone is going to need this and it's not really that heavily promoted by Apple. For us, though, it's so helpful and more comfortable on our eyes.

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16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: The new camera is 12MP and supports desk view



Also on the display is a beefed up camera hiding in the notch. It's now 12MP and supports Desk View. Video is still capped at 1080p though.

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16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Desk View on the upgraded camera



Even if you don't use Desk View, the higher resolution and improved M4 ISP is welcomed and we were shocked at how much better we looked. We did a side-by-side with our M3 Max MacBook Pro and it was drastic.

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16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: The old versus new camera quality



The photo was richer with more contrast and better colors. It frankly makes the camera much more usable for processional applications.

Thunderbolt 5 will be a standout feature -- eventually



After we got our first look at Thunderbolt 5 prototype devices at CES 2024, we're finally seeing the first cables and docks coming to market.

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16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: A third party Thunderbolt 5 cable



It's capable of 120Gb/s of aggregated data which is up to three times that of Thunderbolt 3 or Thunderbolt 4. There aren't many devices now, but we're going to see many over the lifespan of this machine.

When buying a Mac that you plan to use three, five, or even ten years you want it to support the latest technology. That's what this offers.

It'll make more of a difference when there are more peripherals available. At the time of writing, only a few things have been announced.

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One thing we didn't get here was Wi-Fi 7 and we're sorely disappointed. This is the one upgrade we expected to get and didn't, purely based on the new wireless standard being finalized earlier this year. The iPhone 16 series also already supports it.

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16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Apple has plenty of ports



Once more, when you want a machine that will last, you want the latest standards and it's frustrating to see that omitted here. We'd prefer it on our Macs versus our iPhones.

16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Nano texture display



Filed under "new changes in 2024" for the MacBook Pro is an optional nano texture finish. It's similar to what the iPad Pro, iMac, and Studio Display offer.

Two laptops on a wooden table display video editing software, with lighting creating a warm, cozy atmosphere.
16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Trying to flash a light at the glossy (left) and matte (right) finish options



We're not going to get into it again, given that this isn't Apple's first product with it. In short, it reduces glare and the impact of bright lights on the display. This diffused light, in our experience, makes the screen even better.

There will be debate on what's better for color-specific workflows like video color grading or professional editing in Lightroom and Photoshop, but for us, it makes sense. Side by side, the color difference is minimal.

If you are worrying that much about the color representation, a dedicated reference monitor may make more sense. With a laptop, the idea is to be portable and the nano texture affords that.

The only downside is that because of the diffused light, it does appear slightly dimmer in certain environments. That's a worthwhile tradeoff though because we'd usually have to crank the brightness to battle the glare.

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16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Testing the two displays outside



When outside and the brightness cranks up to that 1000 nit level, that difference goes away and the new model looks just as bright as the older one. It also has great viewing angles, which is a plus.

In all the environments we tested, the nano texture looked better. Even the clarity loss is minimal and we'd happily pay the $150 upgrade cost.

Funny enough, the nano texture also kept out display cleaner. It still showed some oils, but overall looked and stayed cleaner than the normal glossy one.

We've disliked the traditional anti-glare screens found on PCs and it's clear why Apple waited for a more suitable technology before introducing their own Mac-specific version of it.

16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Performance



Here, we're testing the M4 Max 16-inch MacBook Pro which is a 16-core CPU with 12 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores.

Bar graph showing Geekbench single-core scores: M4 Max 4083, M2 Ultra 3065, M3 Max 2962. M4 Max leads.
16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Geekbench single-core results



That's the same breakdown as the M3 Max. It's now faster though, increasing the clockspeed from 3.68GHz to 4.5GHz.

Bar chart comparing Geekbench multi-core benchmarks for M2 Ultra, M3 Max, and M4 Max processors. M4 Max scores highest at 26,629.
16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Geekbench multi-core results



In terms of benchmarked performance, Geekbench 6 is showing us a 25% boost in the single core performance. We also saw a 30% boost in the multi-core performance.

The Metal graphics test was a little more modest, going to 189752 from 163927. That's about a 15% increase for that 40-core GPU.

Putting these numbers into perspective, the M4 Max easily outperforms the M2 Ultra CPU. That shouldn't be a huge surprise since we never got an M3 Ultra chip to compare with.

Chart comparing relative rendering speeds of different GPUs, showing Windows PCs with 4080 Super and 3080, and MacBook Pro, Mac Studio, and Mac Mini with M4 chips.
16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Blender GPU benchmarks



Perhaps even more impressive, the M4 Max is also comparable to the GeForce 4080 super GPU in some workloads. That's a huge, desktop graphics card that has similar performance to a laptop.

We wanted throw something different at the new machine in our testing, which was perfectly timed with Apple's new update to Final Cut Pro.

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One of the new features to that is Magnetic Mask, which is one of the more computationally intensive video tasks we do, outside of 3D motion graphics. It uses AI to track a subject, masking out the background without the need for a green screen.

We applied it to a 12 minute 4K 24FPS video and it took 14 minutes and 27 seconds to complete. On the M3 Max model, it took a minute and 32 seconds longer.

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16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Testing editing with Final Cut Pro



Overall it's about a 10% boost in that performance. That's not a ton but on a longer or higher resolution project, that could amount to a serious time savings. Of course, higher-end workflows probably aren't using Magnetic Mask, but still.

For completeness sake, we ran Cinebench R23 on both our last-gen and current gen machines. The M4 Max achieved 27108 for the multi-core sore and 2237 for the single-core, compared to 21355 and 1816 for the M3 Max respectively.

That once more is showing about a 30% increase in multi-core performance. For a yearly update, that's a solid increase, and even more impressive compared to the exceptional M1 Max machine many still use.

This may be a big enough jump to encourage holdouts to make the jump to Apple's latest and greatest portable Mac.

16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: M4 Pro is where it's at



While the M4 Max is an incredibly powerful chip, and also points to a mind-bending M4 Ultra release down the pike, the real story seems to be the M4 Pro.

Generationally, it's a bigger increase than its predecessor and at the rate of Apple Silicon, it's still more power than a lot of pro users will need.

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16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Apple's M4 series chips are great



Our most demanding workflow, multi-cam 4K video, is now barely taxing even for a base M4 processor. We'd be fine with an M4 Pro these days, even if we opt for the extra headroom and better performance the M4 Max offers.

Notably, the M4 Pro is up to a 14-core, two more than before, but also increased the performance cores from six to ten. We'd have been fine had Apple gave us just more efficiency cores.

Memory bandwidth also nearly doubled from 150GB/s to 273GB/s. It all amounts to an exceptional upgrade for the mid-tier chip.

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16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Some of our benchmarking suite



Last year, the M3 Pro felt like we got slighted with a middling update. It gave users more of a reason to jump to the "max" variant.

This year, it feels like the M4 Pro is where it's at and unless you have an ultra-demanding workflow, it will probably keep up.

16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Should you buy Apple's new flagship portable Mac?



Not every year of Apple Silicon needs to be a monumental increase. This year it was probably above average for the M4 Max, between 20% and 30% for the CPU and less for the GPU.

Still, it's so impressive how much power Apple is able to pack into a laptop that is so incredibly portable. And unlike many Windows-based PCs, you don't see a massive performance dip when running on battery.

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16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Sliding the MacBook Pro into a backpack is easy, even at 16 inches



There's very little to criticize here as Apple has continued to refine and push the MacBook Pro line. There's the absence of Wi-Fi 7, but otherwise Apple knocked it out of the park.

It's powerful, fast, elegant, portable, and reliable. It's the machine we turn to most often to get work done.

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16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: The new MacBook Pro is incredibly good



The only reason not to buy the M4 Max 16-inch MacBook Pro is if you don't need this much power. In that case, the M4 Pro model is perfectly suitable.

Next year it's rumored we'll see a redesigned MacBook Pro that's even thinner and presumably adding Wi-Fi 7 and upgraded OLED displays. That's what's on the roadmap which will hopefully make any upgrade decisions easier.

This is a workhorse of a machine and would be a solid upgrade choice before jumping to a redesigned model in a few years, when Apple has any first-gen bugs worked out.

This is peak MacBook Pro. And we're here for it.

16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Pros

  • Nano-texture display is incredible upgrade

  • Performance of M4 Pro and M4 Max are both outstanding

  • New camera is markedly better

  • Peak design and performance of the portable Mac

  • Thunderbolt 5 will be a game changer

  • New minimum brightness is great for late night working

16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max review: Cons

  • No Wi-Fi 7

  • Thunderbolt 5 accessories are still scarce to start

16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max rating: 5 out of 5

Where to buy Apple's 16-inch MacBook Pro M4 Max at a discount



The 2024 MacBook Pro 16-inch is already on sale at numerous Apple resellers, with discounted prices starting at $2,199 in our 16-inch MacBook Pro Price Guide. Amazon has M4 Max models marked down to as low as $3,199 at press time, reflecting a triple-digit discount off MSRP.

AppleInsider readers can also save up to $300 on every CTO M4 MacBook Pro configuration with promo code APINSIDER at Apple Authorized Reseller Adorama. The same code takes $30 off three years of AppleCare for the 14-inch models and $40 off three years of AppleCare for the 16-inch MacBook Pro.

You can also find the latest 14-inch MacBook Pro deals in our Price Guides:



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  • Reply 1 of 26
    M68000M68000 Posts: 882member
    I have one at my company that I’m setting up right now.  The 16 inch model. It is impressive.  The battery life appears to be amazing, having only moved a couple percent after couple hours.  On the “con” side has to be the weight.  This thing is big and heavy.  Not sure I would like traveling daily with this.
    edited November 22 Oferwatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 26
    I see a lot of information about CPU/GPU performance.  I wonder if anyone has any performance information on the built-in SSD?  I have a very disk-intensive workflow and use a 2021 MBP (iw. Max 1, 32gb RAM) - will the 2024 MBP's SSD perform substantially better?  If so - that and the matte display will be my excuse for getting the new model. 
    Alex1Nwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 26
    keithwkeithw Posts: 155member
    Now the big decision- the M4 Max MBP now or the M4 Studio Max later.  I assume the equivalent Studio will be cheaper since you don't need an internal battery, a display or a keyboard.  That said, this is an incredible laptop!

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 26
    I’d like to know about the battery life and also the “lugability” of the machine…..
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 26
    There is an error in the article. It states that the 14" MBP comes in M4 and M4 Pro variants. No mention of the M4 Max 14" MBP, so I did a quick double check and Apple does indeed still offer the Max chip in the 14" model.
    pulseimagesAlex_Vwatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 26
    Space black makes me miss space grey. Would love to see it return. 

    The performance is undeniable though. Simply an amazing machine. The top of the top. 
    edited November 22 Alex_Vwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 26
    aegeanaegean Posts: 165member
    I am still on my 2017 iMac Pro running Monterey, and it still performs very well. However my 2007 17 inch MBP needs an upgrade :smile: but I will miss glowing Apple logo. They should have rather provided an option to turn it off or on if someone needs to extract last bit of juice from their battery.

    But I am still hesitant to spend 8K+ on notebook, as I always max out specs specifically SSD and RAM.  
    edited November 22 watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 26
    "But but but Apple doesn't innovate anymore! The CEO is a businessman!"

    lol. People who say that overlook all of the hard work and improvements that goes into building the best in class personal computing devices out there. It's like they believe these devices pop out of a clamshell, fully formed. Or that, somehow, iterative development, isn't innovative. (Please see the first televisions then today's, and tell me iterative doesn't work). Ah well!
    williamlondonchiarezwitsdanoxwatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 26
    I’ll be getting the 14” MBP Max with 64GB and 2TB SSD. I’m tired of the weight of my 2019 MBP 16”. 
    omasouAlex_Vwatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 26
    JinTechJinTech Posts: 1,067member
    "But but but Apple doesn't innovate anymore! The CEO is a businessman!"

    lol. People who say that overlook all of the hard work and improvements that goes into building the best in class personal computing devices out there. It's like they believe these devices pop out of a clamshell, fully formed. Or that, somehow, iterative development, isn't innovative. (Please see the first televisions then today's, and tell me iterative doesn't work). Ah well!
    I’m sincerely curious, in what ways does Apple need to innovate on their pro laptop line? Those looking for a redesign, for what purpose?

    I can see where Apple could and should innovate for the MacPro line. They should be fusing two of the M4 Ultra chips together, then fusing two of those chips together to create one of the world’s fastest desktops. Will they do that? No. But they should. 
    rezwitswatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 26
    omasouomasou Posts: 640member

    pulseimages said:

    I’ll be getting the 14” MBP Max with 64GB and 2TB SSD. I’m tired of the weight of my 2019 MBP 16”. 

    I have a MacBook Pro 16 M1 Max and it's an ugly thick ultra heavy brick, when compared to the older Intel MacBooks. I'll be upgrading to a MacBook Pro 14 M4 Max since it has the same processing power as the M4 Max16 and b/c I primarily use it as a desktop w/2 5K monitors and it will be lighter when I do need to carry it around.

    Apple needs to drop all the ports other than TB5 so they can thin the battery and body back to where it was to reduce the weight and improve the styling. Really hoping they address this w/the body revision (in 2026?).
    edited November 23 pulseimageswilliamlondon
  • Reply 12 of 26
    omasouomasou Posts: 640member

    JinTech said:
    "But but but Apple doesn't innovate anymore! The CEO is a businessman!"

    lol. People who say that overlook all of the hard work and improvements that goes into building the best in class personal computing devices out there. It's like they believe these devices pop out of a clamshell, fully formed. Or that, somehow, iterative development, isn't innovative. (Please see the first televisions then today's, and tell me iterative doesn't work). Ah well!
    I’m sincerely curious, in what ways does Apple need to innovate on their pro laptop line? Those looking for a redesign, for what purpose?

    I can see where Apple could and should innovate for the MacPro line. They should be fusing two of the M4 Ultra chips together, then fusing two of those chips together to create one of the world’s fastest desktops. Will they do that? No. But they should. 
    Who needs an Ultra x2 at home or work, that would be an Apple Server and require fans. We may eventually hear about something like that in the near future when Apple starts using Apple Silicon in their servers farms for inferencing.

    To tell the truth, I'm really surprised that Apple still offers desktops and even the iMac. Once a person invests in a good monitor or two they only reason to upgrade is to get a new processor.

    A MacBook + monitor(s) is so much more versatile and doesn't lock a person down to a desk. Not to mention toting an iMac into the Apple store for service vs. a MacBook. 
    edited November 23 williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 26
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,935member
    I liked 2018 15" Macbook Pro's physical(Height, Width, Depth) dimension.  Current 15" Macbook Air looks more square than symmetrical like 2018 15" Macbook Pro.
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 26
    thttht Posts: 5,695member
    JinTech said:
    "But but but Apple doesn't innovate anymore! The CEO is a businessman!"

    lol. People who say that overlook all of the hard work and improvements that goes into building the best in class personal computing devices out there. It's like they believe these devices pop out of a clamshell, fully formed. Or that, somehow, iterative development, isn't innovative. (Please see the first televisions then today's, and tell me iterative doesn't work). Ah well!
    I’m sincerely curious, in what ways does Apple need to innovate on their pro laptop line? Those looking for a redesign, for what purpose?

    I can see where Apple could and should innovate for the MacPro line. They should be fusing two of the M4 Ultra chips together, then fusing two of those chips together to create one of the world’s fastest desktops. Will they do that? No. But they should. 
    The people you quoted are mocking the people who are saying Apple isn't innovating, like 70% of the posts on macrumors.com. Those are the usual trolls and shitposters you find on the Internet, but macrumors.com seems to have a higher than average number of them.

    The laptop form factor is over 3 decades old at this point. It's really not that different from what was available back then, save for the usual iterative improvements. Basically a clamshell with a display on one side and keyboard+pointing device on the other.

    A Mac Pro with an "M4 Extreme" is possibly something Apple can make. The real question is who is going to buy them, can you make money selling them, and should Apple even make it. It's basically the same set of questions for a gaming console. Both the workstation market and the gaming market have the same structural reasons for why Apple doesn't really try.

    Namely, the software in both markets isn't native in both markets. That's tough to overcome without a lot of investment. So, Apple could make a Mac Pro with an Extreme SoC but not enough people would buy it. Same issue for a 300 W Mac laptop with 18" display, Ultra SoC, and 7 lbs of weight or so. Who would buy it? Would enough people buy it? Should they even make it? Is Apple an enterprise or gaming company?

    I do have some ideas though. It's really time that Apple offers cellular modem options for their laptops. Farther into the future, they could do something like continuous identification (the laptop knows it is you), hand & eye tracking, heterogenous computing (load sharing applications and process across multiple computers), deeper virtual storage stacks (iCloud storage, but more).

    I would like to have a laptop with a full sized 75% keyboard, including swappable switches. I don't think it would have many sales, so automatic no for Apple. I do think buyers would love it though. It would have a loyal niche of buyers.
    williamlondondewmewatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 26
    JinTechJinTech Posts: 1,067member
    omasou said:

    JinTech said:
    "But but but Apple doesn't innovate anymore! The CEO is a businessman!"

    lol. People who say that overlook all of the hard work and improvements that goes into building the best in class personal computing devices out there. It's like they believe these devices pop out of a clamshell, fully formed. Or that, somehow, iterative development, isn't innovative. (Please see the first televisions then today's, and tell me iterative doesn't work). Ah well!
    I’m sincerely curious, in what ways does Apple need to innovate on their pro laptop line? Those looking for a redesign, for what purpose?

    I can see where Apple could and should innovate for the MacPro line. They should be fusing two of the M4 Ultra chips together, then fusing two of those chips together to create one of the world’s fastest desktops. Will they do that? No. But they should. 
    Who needs an Ultra x2 at home or work, that would be an Apple Server and require fans. We may eventually hear about something like that in the near future when Apple starts using Apple Silicon in their servers farms for inferencing.

    To tell the truth, I'm really surprised that Apple still offers desktops and even the iMac. Once a person invests in a good monitor or two they only reason to upgrade is to get a new processor.

    A MacBook + monitor(s) is so much more versatile and doesn't lock a person down to a desk. Not to mention toting an iMac into the Apple store for service vs. a MacBook. 
    Who said the Ultra x 2 would be for your home? Work yes. For people who are in need of high end desktops. 

    I can see why they still offer desktops, for the I/O requirements. Not everyone wants a portable so the iMac is great for those who don’t want to have to buy a monitor. 

    Just because the laptop is right for you, doesn’t mean it’s right for everyone else. 
    muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 26
    omasou said:

    pulseimages said:

    I’ll be getting the 14” MBP Max with 64GB and 2TB SSD. I’m tired of the weight of my 2019 MBP 16”. 

    I have a MacBook Pro 16 M1 Max and it's an ugly thick ultra heavy brick, when compared to the older Intel MacBooks. I'll be upgrading to a MacBook Pro 14 M4 Max since it has the same processing power as the M4 Max16 and b/c I primarily use it as a desktop w/2 5K monitors and it will be lighter when I do need to carry it around.

    Apple needs to drop all the ports other than TB5 so they can thin the battery and body back to where it was to reduce the weight and improve the styling. Really hoping they address this w/the body revision (in 2026?).
    Which 5K monitors do you use? 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 26
    omasou said:

    pulseimages said:

    I’ll be getting the 14” MBP Max with 64GB and 2TB SSD. I’m tired of the weight of my 2019 MBP 16”. 

    I have a MacBook Pro 16 M1 Max and it's an ugly thick ultra heavy brick, when compared to the older Intel MacBooks. I'll be upgrading to a MacBook Pro 14 M4 Max since it has the same processing power as the M4 Max16 and b/c I primarily use it as a desktop w/2 5K monitors and it will be lighter when I do need to carry it around.

    Apple needs to drop all the ports other than TB5 so they can thin the battery and body back to where it was to reduce the weight and improve the styling. Really hoping they address this w/the body revision (in 2026?).
    Which 5K monitors do you use? 
    I have 2 LG Ultrafine 5K monitors.

    I want to replace them w/the Apple Studio Displays but I'll wait until they add TB5 ports/hubs, b/c I have 2 Seagate Barracuda SSDs configured as a RAID and plug into and stuck to the back of one monitor and until they have TB5 there's no point in upgrading to faster SSDs.
    pulseimagesAlex_Vwatto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 26

    JinTech said:
    omasou said:

    JinTech said:
    "But but but Apple doesn't innovate anymore! The CEO is a businessman!"

    lol. People who say that overlook all of the hard work and improvements that goes into building the best in class personal computing devices out there. It's like they believe these devices pop out of a clamshell, fully formed. Or that, somehow, iterative development, isn't innovative. (Please see the first televisions then today's, and tell me iterative doesn't work). Ah well!
    I’m sincerely curious, in what ways does Apple need to innovate on their pro laptop line? Those looking for a redesign, for what purpose?

    I can see where Apple could and should innovate for the MacPro line. They should be fusing two of the M4 Ultra chips together, then fusing two of those chips together to create one of the world’s fastest desktops. Will they do that? No. But they should. 
    Who needs an Ultra x2 at home or work, that would be an Apple Server and require fans. We may eventually hear about something like that in the near future when Apple starts using Apple Silicon in their servers farms for inferencing.

    To tell the truth, I'm really surprised that Apple still offers desktops and even the iMac. Once a person invests in a good monitor or two they only reason to upgrade is to get a new processor.

    A MacBook + monitor(s) is so much more versatile and doesn't lock a person down to a desk. Not to mention toting an iMac into the Apple store for service vs. a MacBook. 
    Who said the Ultra x 2 would be for your home? Work yes. For people who are in need of high end desktops. 

    I can see why they still offer desktops, for the I/O requirements. Not everyone wants a portable so the iMac is great for those who don’t want to have to buy a monitor. 

    Just because the laptop is right for you, doesn’t mean it’s right for everyone else. 

    Looks like someone's panties are in a bunch.
    9secondkox2pulseimageswilliamlondon
  • Reply 19 of 26
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,417member
    "But but but Apple doesn't innovate anymore! The CEO is a businessman!"

    lol. People who say that overlook all of the hard work and improvements that goes into building the best in class personal computing devices out there. It's like they believe these devices pop out of a clamshell, fully formed. Or that, somehow, iterative development, isn't innovative. (Please see the first televisions then today's, and tell me iterative doesn't work). Ah well!


    Many people mistakenly believe that periodic discarding of everything every 3 to 5 years constitutes innovation. Let’s consider an alternative scenario: what if General Motors (GM) had adopted a more iterative approach, similar to Porsche’s strategy with the iconic 911? In such a case, the Corvette might have evolved significantly over time. 
    However, GM has consistently redesigned the Corvette from scratch every 3 to 5 years since 1965. 

    While small incremental improvements may not seem significant at first, they collectively lead to substantial changes over time. Rejecting the entire approach, akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater, is not an effective solution, especially when significant engineering challenges have been addressed. Instead, a more sustainable approach would involve incremental improvements and continuous refinement, rather than starting from scratch every 3 to 5 years.

    Apple over the years, particularly after Steve Jobs came back, has taken a different path than much of their competition iteration overtime has been their approach, which is one of the reasons why they don’t go for those big block buster acquisitions.
    dewmewatto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 26
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,580member
    JinTech said:
    omasou said:

    JinTech said:
    "But but but Apple doesn't innovate anymore! The CEO is a businessman!"

    lol. People who say that overlook all of the hard work and improvements that goes into building the best in class personal computing devices out there. It's like they believe these devices pop out of a clamshell, fully formed. Or that, somehow, iterative development, isn't innovative. (Please see the first televisions then today's, and tell me iterative doesn't work). Ah well!
    I’m sincerely curious, in what ways does Apple need to innovate on their pro laptop line? Those looking for a redesign, for what purpose?

    I can see where Apple could and should innovate for the MacPro line. They should be fusing two of the M4 Ultra chips together, then fusing two of those chips together to create one of the world’s fastest desktops. Will they do that? No. But they should. 
    Who needs an Ultra x2 at home or work, that would be an Apple Server and require fans. We may eventually hear about something like that in the near future when Apple starts using Apple Silicon in their servers farms for inferencing.

    To tell the truth, I'm really surprised that Apple still offers desktops and even the iMac. Once a person invests in a good monitor or two they only reason to upgrade is to get a new processor.

    A MacBook + monitor(s) is so much more versatile and doesn't lock a person down to a desk. Not to mention toting an iMac into the Apple store for service vs. a MacBook. 
    Who said the Ultra x 2 would be for your home? Work yes. For people who are in need of high end desktops. 

    I can see why they still offer desktops, for the I/O requirements. Not everyone wants a portable so the iMac is great for those who don’t want to have to buy a monitor. 

    Just because the laptop is right for you, doesn’t mean it’s right for everyone else. 
    A drawback of the M-series is limited flexibility in the ratio of CPU to GPU cores.That drawback is magnified with ultra fusion, and it really narrows the market for the high end desktop. 

    My hope is that apple eventually changes the design to have separate cpu and GPU tiles which can be mixed and matched to serve a broader range of needs. For example, gamers would want far more GPU cores whereas I would prefer more CPU cores.

    but I agree that not everyone wants only a laptop. I definitely prefer a desktop. And with more people working from, I wonder if desktops might have a small resurgence 
    watto_cobra
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