Stellantis denies hiring Apple's Luca Maestri to solve its massive problems

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Netherlands car firm Stellantis may be best known for buying Jeep, Dodge, Ram, and Chrysler, but it says it is definitely not buying ex-Apple CFO Luca Maestri.

Luca Maestri smiling
Luca Maestri -- image credit: Apple



Stellantis cars waited until its shares rose before denying reports that it has hired ex-Apple CFO Luca Maestri as its new CEO. And that rise in shares is among the best news it's had in a while, as its car sales reportedly fell 14% in 2024 -- and its profits nearly halved.

In comparison, Maestri went out on a high as Apple's Chief Financial Officer in October 2024. He has been replaced there by Kevan Parekh, though reportedly Maestri has just moved down the hall at Apple Park and isn't going anywhere.

According to CNBC however, a spokesperson for the Netherlands car company Stellantis has denied that Maestri is taking over. "It is not true," said the spokesperson.

Okay. The spokesperson's report was backed up by an unspecified source who said hiring Maestri was "fake news."

Apparently the original claim came from local newspaper Corriere della Sera. It didn't exactly come from nowhere, but doesn't appear to have come from somewhere.

Instead, it follows the news that Stellantis last CEO, Carlos Tavares, resigned from the company after "different views" between him and the board. Those views probably concerned the steep drop in profits that CNBC says Stellantis suffered after its initially highly successful 2023 sales.

Reportedly, 2024 saw its huge downturn because Stellantis was not updating its cars or refreshing its lineups as much as competitors were. Rising costs also deterred customers, and quality control suffered too.

So it was perhaps not a surprise that the board and Tavares had a difference of opinion over whether he kept his job. Following his announced resignation, the local newspaper then reported that chairman John Elkann was planning to appoint Maestri, on the grounds of little more than "why not?"

Although Maestri was previously rumored, possibly with no greater reason, when Elkann was recruiting for a CEO for Ferrari around 2021. Ferrari went with a chipmaking veteran, so it isn't unknown for someone with a technology background to take over a car company.

And having Maestri rumored to take over did make shares in Stellantis rise in initial trading. So maybe Stellantis is now a more attractive option for Maestri.

Although according to Mopar Insiders, whatever that is, ex-CEO Tavares made around $26 million in 2023, including bonuses. Maestri, according to CFO, made $26.9 million.

Perhaps the Netherlands car company has a great relocation package.



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  • Reply 1 of 10
    thttht Posts: 5,767member
    If the strategy isn't developing & manufacturing batteries and transitioning to EVs as fast as possible, all they are doing is fighting for a part of an increasingly smaller pie, and eventual death. Feels like the game is already over with Chinese battery and EV prices hitting some pretty impressive low prices this year though.

    A wartime-like mobilization of battery manufacturing and development is needed by all the incumbents to catch up.

    Really wish Apple made an EV.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 10
    "Ferrari went with a chipmaking veteran, so it isn't unknown for someone with a technology background to take over a car company."


    Yet another example of a CEO that doesn't know crap about their product.  He's managing the stock price not the company.  He wants the company to be a fashion house. He's 
    ruining the brand and it's already catching up to him. As a member of the Ferrari community and long time, multi car owner, they no longer make cars that I'm interested in and that opinion is shared by many.
    DAalsethForumPostwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 10
    charlesncharlesn Posts: 1,250member
    tht said:
    If the strategy isn't developing & manufacturing batteries and transitioning to EVs as fast as possible, all they are doing is fighting for a part of an increasingly smaller pie, and eventual death. Feels like the game is already over with Chinese battery and EV prices hitting some pretty impressive low prices this year though.

    A wartime-like mobilization of battery manufacturing and development is needed by all the incumbents to catch up.

    Really wish Apple made an EV.
    All true... but companies need government support for this kind of initiative, which is how the Chinese achieved their dominance in EVs, while the U.S. has an incoming administration that's about to gut the minimal support that currently exists, like EV tax credits, so we can stay committed to gas engines. Musk doesn't mind, since this will hobble his domestic EV competition far more than it does Tesla. One day American idiots will wake up and realize that American automakers can't survive on the domestic market alone, but too late since the Chinese will already own the global auto market. Even if you don't care a whit about climate change, this is about the future (or not) of one of the few major manufacturing industries left in the U.S. With the quality, pricing and technological advancement of their cars, the Chinese would already own the U.S. EV market if it wasn't for high tariffs keeping them out. This is why most Americans have no idea how far ahead of us the Chinese are in EVs. 
    nubussconosciutoForumPostwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 10
    thttht Posts: 5,767member
    charlesn said:
    tht said:
    If the strategy isn't developing & manufacturing batteries and transitioning to EVs as fast as possible, all they are doing is fighting for a part of an increasingly smaller pie, and eventual death. Feels like the game is already over with Chinese battery and EV prices hitting some pretty impressive low prices this year though.

    A wartime-like mobilization of battery manufacturing and development is needed by all the incumbents to catch up.

    Really wish Apple made an EV.
    All true... but companies need government support for this kind of initiative, which is how the Chinese achieved their dominance in EVs, while the U.S. has an incoming administration that's about to gut the minimal support that currently exists, like EV tax credits, so we can stay committed to gas engines. Musk doesn't mind, since this will hobble his domestic EV competition far more than it does Tesla. One day American idiots will wake up and realize that American automakers can't survive on the domestic market alone, but too late since the Chinese will already own the global auto market. Even if you don't care a whit about climate change, this is about the future (or not) of one of the few major manufacturing industries left in the U.S. With the quality, pricing and technological advancement of their cars, the Chinese would already own the U.S. EV market if it wasn't for high tariffs keeping them out. This is why most Americans have no idea how far ahead of us the Chinese are in EVs. 
    Yeah, the USA, European countries, basically the economies you can classify as incumbents who have been big for the past 50 years, are moribund, trapped in their cultural and economic debt. Same old story. Same old innovator's dilemma. Not worried about "manufacturing". It's really worker productivity, and the USA increased white collar productivity and let blue collar manufacturing work decrease. (Or it's really that blue collar manufacturing didn't grow as fast as white collar work?)

    I'm getting pessimistic that the USA can get themselves to compete in the technoscience-economies that will be driving future markets. It basically involves training your workforce to be scientifically and technically competent. There will be designer medical treatments to treat people's conditions. Gene therapies, designer medications (compounds that don't exist in nature but are designed), democratization of those treatments, solar+battery for everything, designer crops, closed-cycle water and other materials. A lot of this stuff is incubated in USA colleges, companies and government institutions.

    There's cultural compartmentalization going on that maintains the USA's techno-science competency. That can't go away. If people start going to college in China, Korea, Japan, et al, to learn how to do those things, it will basically mean the USA has fallen 20 years behind. That's really the easy sign. Students start going to non-USA universities over American ones. If that happens, it's a generational issue.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 10
    tht said:
    If the strategy isn't developing & manufacturing batteries and transitioning to EVs as fast as possible, all they are doing is fighting for a part of an increasingly smaller pie, and eventual death. Feels like the game is already over with Chinese battery and EV prices hitting some pretty impressive low prices this year though.

    A wartime-like mobilization of battery manufacturing and development is needed by all the incumbents to catch up.

    Really wish Apple made an EV.
    Are you for real? lol. Every single auto manufacturer is walking back their EV plans over consumer backlash. Heck, Dodge said the next Charger was going to be EV only and they’ve already apologized and promised a 3.0L twin turbo ICE called the Hurricane. The only people who think full EVs are the future are you and Elon. The resale value on a Tesla should tell you that’s never going to happen. Losing 50% of its value in less than a year is absolutely hilarious. The future for stellantis is continued development of ICE vehicles and hybrids, not full EVs. Even with added infrastructure and additional charging stations, EVs will never beat being able to gas up in 5 min or less and be on your way.
    JanNLhexclockForumPostmacike
  • Reply 6 of 10

    The US is not the only car market. In Europe it’s a totally different story. ICE development programs are dead because new sales stop in 2035 and a new technology generation would not pay back in time.

    While currently (Year to Date) the BEV market was around flat in Europe that is an effect due to the withdrawal of some subsidies in Germany, the ICE market over the same period contracted.

    As to your refueling remark fast charging is getting faster however for the rest usage patterns will change. There seems to be a lack of understanding that in Europe getting off oil and gas is as much about geopolitics and not being beholden to the countries which sell fossil fuels as it is about climate.

    edited December 2024 watto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 10
    thttht Posts: 5,767member
    602warren said:
    tht said:
    If the strategy isn't developing & manufacturing batteries and transitioning to EVs as fast as possible, all they are doing is fighting for a part of an increasingly smaller pie, and eventual death. Feels like the game is already over with Chinese battery and EV prices hitting some pretty impressive low prices this year though.

    A wartime-like mobilization of battery manufacturing and development is needed by all the incumbents to catch up.

    Really wish Apple made an EV.
    Are you for real? lol. Every single auto manufacturer is walking back their EV plans over consumer backlash. Heck, Dodge said the next Charger was going to be EV only and they’ve already apologized and promised a 3.0L twin turbo ICE called the Hurricane. The only people who think full EVs are the future are you and Elon. The resale value on a Tesla should tell you that’s never going to happen. Losing 50% of its value in less than a year is absolutely hilarious. The future for stellantis is continued development of ICE vehicles and hybrids, not full EVs. Even with added infrastructure and additional charging stations, EVs will never beat being able to gas up in 5 min or less and be on your way.
    Oh, I'm dead serious. All I'm seeing is the auto market being like the smartphone market in 2008 to 2009 time frame, where there is a new transformative technology and the incumbents are in denial, not willing to commit, dipping their toes in the water, and basically at a loss for what to do because they only know how to do what they have been doing. A similar thing happened in the 1970s with the auto industry, and you can say the American auto manufacturing never recovered from that either. So, I'm living through a second go-around with incumbent American auto companies being disrupted here.

    The cycle time for cars is about 4 to 5 times longer than smartphones, 10 to 20 years for a car now versus 3 to 6 years for a phone, and while we are seeing things move slower in the car world, it is looking pretty obvious that similar things are occurring in the market, that there will be many ICE brands that die, with only a few to survive into the 2050s while all the other car makers will be different by then.

    Stellantis Group is dead man walking, right? Any doubters about this? Some could argue it never had a chance to begin with after it formed. Literally, a rumor of a retiring Apple CFO becoming its CEO increased its share price. A CFO! Not some genius founder. That really smells like desperation. Some sub-brands may survive as their native countries will keep them alive, but that's for a smaller pie, never to be international again. German auto makers will shrink. BMW, MB, VW, at least one of them will not make it. I think there will only be 1 or 2 Japanese makers that make it, but they can do things to prevent that. They have been stunningly irresponsive to changes, or made the wrong bets with hydrogen FC.

    All this stems from the USA gov't putting 100% import tariffs on Chinese EVs. 100%! That really crystallized things for me.

    That's batshit crazy and a sign that native USA auto manufacturing will not be able to compete internationally. If GM or Ford sells a car internationally, it is going to be a badge engineered Asian made vehicle (India, China, SE Asia, etc) and will not be a USA export. The tariffs reduce competitive pressure on American auto design, development and manufacturing, preventing them from doing the things needed to compete. Government subsidies for training, mining for materials, getting manufacturing of critical parts probably have to triple or quadruple from what is spent in the IRA, and getting rid of soft costs needs to be a priority, if not the top priority, so that prices can decline.

    Europe has a variation of this with 20% to 50% import tariffs on Chinese EVs. How they get their native automakers to compete in future is going to be the subject with a lot of pain for them just like it is for the USA.

    As for an EV's value, I can understand some EV models losing a lot their value fast, especially 2021 to 2023 model years or certain brands in the 2010s. EVs are still in early adopter stages and are still under rapid changes and development. Another 50% increase in battery energy and volumetric density is coming. 300 mile range EVs today will have lower relative value 3 to 5 years from now because EVs in 2029+ time frames will have 400 mile range, charge 2x faster, and have more features like V2G. A 2030 EV will be a whole lot better than a 2024 EV, and that will exert a lot of price pressure on certain used EV model values for some time to come.

    My 2019 Tesla Model 3 LR is holding its value fine though. After 5 years, its value is about 40% of its sale price of 52k. A 2019 BMW 330i has about the same drop.

    It's a technology race where the critical components and features of a car is still rapidly evolving, where there are big improvements to come. It similar to smartphones in that way. It won't be until like the 2040s where an EV is full fat mature, providing all the important features to buyers and they have reached the point of diminishing returns.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 10
    tht said:
    602warren said:
    tht said:
    If the strategy isn't developing & manufacturing batteries and transitioning to EVs as fast as possible, all they are doing is fighting for a part of an increasingly smaller pie, and eventual death. Feels like the game is already over with Chinese battery and EV prices hitting some pretty impressive low prices this year though.

    A wartime-like mobilization of battery manufacturing and development is needed by all the incumbents to catch up.

    Really wish Apple made an EV.
    Are you for real? lol. Every single auto manufacturer is walking back their EV plans over consumer backlash. Heck, Dodge said the next Charger was going to be EV only and they’ve already apologized and promised a 3.0L twin turbo ICE called the Hurricane. The only people who think full EVs are the future are you and Elon. The resale value on a Tesla should tell you that’s never going to happen. Losing 50% of its value in less than a year is absolutely hilarious. The future for stellantis is continued development of ICE vehicles and hybrids, not full EVs. Even with added infrastructure and additional charging stations, EVs will never beat being able to gas up in 5 min or less and be on your way.
    Oh, I'm dead serious. All I'm seeing is the auto market being like the smartphone market in 2008 to 2009 time frame, where there is a new transformative technology and the incumbents are in denial, not willing to commit, dipping their toes in the water, and basically at a loss for what to do because they only know how to do what they have been doing. A similar thing happened in the 1970s with the auto industry, and you can say the American auto manufacturing never recovered from that either. So, I'm living through a second go-around with incumbent American auto companies being disrupted here.

    The cycle time for cars is about 4 to 5 times longer than smartphones, 10 to 20 years for a car now versus 3 to 6 years for a phone, and while we are seeing things move slower in the car world, it is looking pretty obvious that similar things are occurring in the market, that there will be many ICE brands that die, with only a few to survive into the 2050s while all the other car makers will be different by then.

    Stellantis Group is dead man walking, right? Any doubters about this? Some could argue it never had a chance to begin with after it formed. Literally, a rumor of a retiring Apple CFO becoming its CEO increased its share price. A CFO! Not some genius founder. That really smells like desperation. Some sub-brands may survive as their native countries will keep them alive, but that's for a smaller pie, never to be international again. German auto makers will shrink. BMW, MB, VW, at least one of them will not make it. I think there will only be 1 or 2 Japanese makers that make it, but they can do things to prevent that. They have been stunningly irresponsive to changes, or made the wrong bets with hydrogen FC.

    All this stems from the USA gov't putting 100% import tariffs on Chinese EVs. 100%! That really crystallized things for me.

    That's batshit crazy and a sign that native USA auto manufacturing will not be able to compete internationally. If GM or Ford sells a car internationally, it is going to be a badge engineered Asian made vehicle (India, China, SE Asia, etc) and will not be a USA export. The tariffs reduce competitive pressure on American auto design, development and manufacturing, preventing them from doing the things needed to compete. Government subsidies for training, mining for materials, getting manufacturing of critical parts probably have to triple or quadruple from what is spent in the IRA, and getting rid of soft costs needs to be a priority, if not the top priority, so that prices can decline.

    Europe has a variation of this with 20% to 50% import tariffs on Chinese EVs. How they get their native automakers to compete in future is going to be the subject with a lot of pain for them just like it is for the USA.

    As for an EV's value, I can understand some EV models losing a lot their value fast, especially 2021 to 2023 model years or certain brands in the 2010s. EVs are still in early adopter stages and are still under rapid changes and development. Another 50% increase in battery energy and volumetric density is coming. 300 mile range EVs today will have lower relative value 3 to 5 years from now because EVs in 2029+ time frames will have 400 mile range, charge 2x faster, and have more features like V2G. A 2030 EV will be a whole lot better than a 2024 EV, and that will exert a lot of price pressure on certain used EV model values for some time to come.

    My 2019 Tesla Model 3 LR is holding its value fine though. After 5 years, its value is about 40% of its sale price of 52k. A 2019 BMW 330i has about the same drop.

    It's a technology race where the critical components and features of a car is still rapidly evolving, where there are big improvements to come. It similar to smartphones in that way. It won't be until like the 2040s where an EV is full fat mature, providing all the important features to buyers and they have reached the point of diminishing returns.
    The next changes will be:

    Axial Flux motors - Mercedes bought the UK company which owns all the essential patents on this.

    Recycled Anodes - It turns out that recycled graphite is actually better than than new as a material an American university, I forget which one, owns the essential patents on the best way to take advantage of this.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 10
    bulk001bulk001 Posts: 797member
    Remember when JCPenny fired Johnson the genius behind Apple stores. Good thing he is t going there. 10 years to design a new car and cancel it. When it does come out it won’t have an off switch! It will use square tires just to be innovative. It will be really thin to be cool and at launch it will be pitched as “amazing” and “awesome” so those doing shots will be seriously drunk by the end of it. 
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