Apple plans three-year rollout of its self-made iPhone modem, starting with iPhone SE

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Apple's quest to replace Qualcomm modems with its own in the iPhone and other products will take place over three years, with plans set to replace all of them by 2027.

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Apple has been working on its own 5G modem designs for a few years, as part of a wider program of bringing the design work in-house. While the introduction of the component in Apple's hardware lineup is expected to happen soon, it may be a more gradual rollout than you'd expect.

The initial wave of chips will be used by the iPhone SE, according to a source of Bloomberg. Just as raised in previous reports, this would first take place in 2025, though the initial introductions won't be as technologically advanced as Qualcomm's offering.

The report adds that going for low-end products like the iPhone SE at first is due to modem development being quite risky. It's an important component, since dropped calls and missed notifications can be fatal for a smartphone.

It will also apparently only support four-carrier aggregation at first, which is down from the six or more bands that Qualcomm's modems can use.

Later iterations of the modem chips will also get more advanced over time, and therefore should be included in higher-specification hardware too.

Apple's ultimate aim is to get past Qualcomm in terms of technology by 2027. If it can, it should be incorporating its own modem across its ecosystem of devices, with Qualcomm out of sight.

A plausible summary



The Bloomberg report offers a fairly sturdy timeline for Apple's modem rollout. However, a lot of this has been reported before.

The timing of the chip drive seemingly correlates with other reports into the topic, including the initial iPhone SE gambit. It has also been said that it hasn't yet been equipped with mmWave, so it may not get used in upper-tier models at first.

The 2027 replacement date has also been raised by analyst Ming-Chi Kuo in September, which adds weigh to the three-year cycle.

Another big reason for the 2027 target is one that's legally and financially motivated.

It was discovered that Apple and Qualcomm extended a global patent license agreement by two years. The extension and a contract for the use of Snapdragon 5G Modem-RF systems will terminate in March 2027.

If Apple can get its modem project to a good-enough state, it won't need to extend that contract and rely on Qualcomm beyond that date.

However, to do that, it has to fix its continuing modem development issues and catch up with Qualcomm's tech.

Rumor Score: Possible

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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 18
    New modems are very high risk products. Apple is taking a big chance by trying to save a few bucks.   People already pay a lot for iPhones.  Why not give them the best modem technology which is clearly Qualcomm.
    sroussey2williamlondonmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 2 of 18
    It’s worrying that Apple stopped putting the most advanced available Qualcomm modems in their newest handsets. I suppose then the comparisons will be easier. But we have to get less sophisticated and less power efficient modems now so Apple can save face later.
    williamlondonmuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 3 of 18
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,066member
    It is very unlikely that Apple will ever get past Qualcomm or Huawei technologically.

    Both companies (and others) have far weight in terms of patents, engineering capacity and compatibility with ICT infrastructure. 

    Most of Apple's modem talent came through the acquisition of Intel's division, which was struggling to deliver and seemingly still is. 

    Apple is doing far more in the wireless space in terms of research now but I can't see them challenging those who are designing, manufacturing and deploying the systems all phones will have to connect to. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 4 of 18
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 3,086member
    I suspect this timeline will be somewhat optimistic. I fully expect use of their new modem will be slowed by a lawsuit from Qualcomm for patent infringement. Not that Apple is in fact infringing, I suspect they are trying to be scrupulous about not, but that’s the way business works these days. 
    edited December 2024 williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 18
    thttht Posts: 5,756member
    Can’t wait to see this. What I’m reading from Gurman sounds like all the right decisions are being made. 

    What I think customers want are reliable connections and power efficiency and that’s what Gurman is saying. Very few people need class leading bandwidth, but they do need reliable connections, being connected in more places, and doing that very efficiently.

    Better sat-comm performance is very nice too. It’s in the same bucket at more connections in more places. 

    What OS the modem will run will be interesting too. Hopefully someone digs into that. 

    Lastly, I hope Apple offers a modem options for Macs, Vision Pro, headphones, and speakers too. 
    williamlondonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 18
    davendaven Posts: 733member
    I’ll still tether to my iPhone or iPad to save the monthly charge. But it may be a nice option to have in the future.
    williamlondonnarwhalwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 18
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,066member
    tht said:
    Can’t wait to see this. What I’m reading from Gurman sounds like all the right decisions are being made. 

    What I think customers want are reliable connections and power efficiency and that’s what Gurman is saying. Very few people need class leading bandwidth, but they do need reliable connections, being connected in more places, and doing that very efficiently.

    Better sat-comm performance is very nice too. It’s in the same bucket at more connections in more places. 

    What OS the modem will run will be interesting too. Hopefully someone digs into that. 

    Lastly, I hope Apple offers a modem options for Macs, Vision Pro, headphones, and speakers too. 
    I don't know if a modem will end up on a Vision Pro but I do know Apple is participating in an EU based research project alongside Huawei and others on network sensing (part of 6G) and that could play an important role in future versions of the device. 
  • Reply 8 of 18
    saareksaarek Posts: 1,588member
    New modems are very high risk products. Apple is taking a big chance by trying to save a few bucks.   People already pay a lot for iPhones.  Why not give them the best modem technology which is clearly Qualcomm.
    Not so long ago people were saying similar things about rumours Apple would ditch Intel for their own Apple Silicon. We all know how that worked out.

    Qualcomm is the best, today. They might not be the best in 5 years time. Who knows?
    narwhalwatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 18
    brianusbrianus Posts: 174member
    Oy. Apples and oranges, I know, but this feels like Apple Maps replacing Google Maps all over again. There's a reason Google was and always will be so far ahead in that space, it's not just about engineering talent. 

    I just hope in 10 years we aren't waking up to articles about how Apple products with the in-house modem design are now "sort of not that bad anymore" after years of embarrassing failure.
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 10 of 18
    brianus said:
    Oy. Apples and oranges, I know, but this feels like Apple Maps replacing Google Maps all over again. There's a reason Google was and always will be so far ahead in that space, it's not just about engineering talent. 

    I just hope in 10 years we aren't waking up to articles about how Apple products with the in-house modem design are now "sort of not that bad anymore" after years of embarrassing failure.
    Alternatively one could consider the wild leaps forward over the last 14 years for Apple/TSMC chips away from Samsung and Intel - beginning with the A4 in iPhone 4 to todays M4 Max
    thtnarwhalwatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 18
    Apple can certainly match and eventually overtake Qualcomm over time.
    Apple bought a lot of patents from Intel and can innovate and integrate better than Qualcomm.
    You don't see many Google map fans comparing with Apple Maps anymore do you?  Because they would lose.

    Time will tell.


    watto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 18
    Qualcomm snagged a few ex-Apple engineers to create their ARM chip. Apple could flip the script and do the same. Yes, I know there was an extra layer of abstraction with Nuvia. Same thing applies here. Some Qualcomm engineers could branch out and start up a modem design firm. 
    Navigating all the patents will be tricky still. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 18
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,327member
    Apple didn’t spend all that loot on intel’s modem business and people for nothing. And as I recall intel modems were not that far behind Qualcomm’s way back then.  And it has been quite some years since that purchase, and I doubt Apple engineers have been only turning up for the morning tea service. And Apple could keep using Qualcomm until it had a superior product. So call me a skeptic when it comes to this story.

    So I find it hard to believe that Apple would release a modem that was markedly inferior to Qualcomm. Imagine the disastrous marketing scenario. Samsung would celebrate the day of release of an iPhone it could run parallel speedtests with its gear live on TV.  Reviews would be absolutely scathing, with no quarter because Apple. The only scenario i can think of where it would be OK to start with a slower modem would be in MacBooks. Or it had some other amazing selling point,  like free service, or clearly superior connections to starlink. 

    No, I reckon this story isn’t true.

    edited December 2024 watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 18
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,327member

    Apple can certainly match and eventually overtake Qualcomm over time.
    Apple bought a lot of patents from Intel and can innovate and integrate better than Qualcomm.
    You don't see many Google map fans comparing with Apple Maps anymore do you?  Because they would lose.

    Time will tell.


    I mainly use Apple Maps because it is pretty good these days, and interestingly the last time it was coming up wrong, google maps did the same. Each have their good points. For example, using Google’s street view is a vastly inferior user experience compared with Apple Maps’ Look Around.  But Look Around is incredibly slow to roll out, and updated much less frequently. I suspect it is a small bunch of part time retirees working on  Look Around.  So I put up with the Streetview interface.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 18
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,941member
    in 2025, I like to see Apple designed and built WiFi 7(with BT 6) chip inside iPhone, iPad, Macbook, AppleTV+ etc products.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 18
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,066member
    Apple can certainly match and eventually overtake Qualcomm over time.
    Apple bought a lot of patents from Intel and can innovate and integrate better than Qualcomm.
    You don't see many Google map fans comparing with Apple Maps anymore do you?  Because they would lose.

    Time will tell.


    It's unlikely Apple can top Qualcomm in this area simply because Qualcomm has a far larger base for its product portfolio. 

    IIRC, Apple had around 35 5G related patents prior to the Intel acquisition. I believe that brought in around a thousand patents and as of 2021 Apple's percentage of 5G patents stood at just over 3%.

    With patent cross-licencing and unit based royalties it will be paying Qualcomm, Huawei et al for a long time to come and, unless it gets fully into the 5/6G ICT game at an industry level it will be very, very unlikely to match anyone with a competing product that is also manufacturing cellular base stations/antennas etc. 

    A compliant modem seems to be the main goal at the moment. 
  • Reply 17 of 18
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,658member
    sroussey2 said:
    It’s worrying that Apple stopped putting the most advanced available Qualcomm modems in their newest handsets. I suppose then the comparisons will be easier. But we have to get less sophisticated and less power efficient modems now so Apple can save face later.
    Where did you read that? It’s a big claim.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 18
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,658member

    avon b7 said:
    It is very unlikely that Apple will ever get past Qualcomm or Huawei technologically.

    Both companies (and others) have far weight in terms of patents, engineering capacity and compatibility with ICT infrastructure. 

    Most of Apple's modem talent came through the acquisition of Intel's division, which was struggling to deliver and seemingly still is. 

    Apple is doing far more in the wireless space in terms of research now but I can't see them challenging those who are designing, manufacturing and deploying the systems all phones will have to connect to. 
    They don’t have to. They just give to be roughly equal. Every company licenses from other companies. That’s nothing new. Apple has a lot of patents on its own.
    watto_cobra
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