So if I download a bunch of AAC-encoded files and burn them to a CD, can I play them back on anything but another Mac? Will MP3-capable CD players handle AAC files?
(Or is this the answer to music downloading security: you can burn all the CDs you want, but they won't play back on any existing player?)
It says all over the place that you can burn unlimited CDs. What more do you want?
Yeah, but does it burn CDs with some sort of copy-protection, or are songs on the CDs free-as-in-speech? If you can really burn to a CD then rip back into whatever (say, mp3) for use in whatever (say, any other mp3 or mp3-CD player), that seals the deal for me. Way to go Apple. Lower the prices just a tad and they will have built the perfect online music distribution system. But that seems a little too transparent a circumvention for the RIAA to have swallowed.
Has anyone tried burning CDs yet? Is this for real?
Edit: Speech. Free-as-in-speech. Sounds like Towel's had too much of the free beer today.
You'll be able to play them on anything that can handle AAC files...so Macs and iPods are in, and you'll have to check the players themselves for other devices. Just use mp3s if you are very concerned about compatibility.
So if I download a bunch of AAC-encoded files and burn them to a CD, can I play them back on anything but another Mac? Will MP3-capable CD players handle AAC files?
(Or is this the answer to music downloading security: you can burn all the CDs you want, but they won't play back on any existing player?)
if you burn the AACs as an audio CD, it'll play in anything.
burning an album full of AACs will only play back on a device which supports AAC CDs, of which there are none... besides a Mac that is.
any MP3 player will need a firmware update in order to play AAC files (like the iPod update that was released today)
as for whether companies will actually update their products, it's anybody's guess. if the new service takes off, you bet your ass they will. if the store's a success and they don't, they might as well close up shop.
And anybody who tries to upload iTunes Music Store songs onto KaZaA will be shocked. Each song is encrypted with a digital key so that it can be played only on three authorized computers, and that prevents songs from being transferred online. Even if you burn the AAC songs onto a CD that a conventional CD player can read and then re-rip them back into standard MP3 files, the sound quality is awful.
And anybody who tries to upload iTunes Music Store songs onto KaZaA will be shocked. Each song is encrypted with a digital key so that it can be played only on three authorized computers, and that prevents songs from being transferred online. Even if you burn the AAC songs onto a CD that a conventional CD player can read and then re-rip them back into standard MP3 files, the sound quality is awful.
If that is true then Apple has done it! They've created DRM that doesn't affect how I can uses the Audio but prevents Filesharing. To the user who simply wants good Audio in their home or Car ...they have everything they need. But to those who want to fileshare....bzzzzzt. Won't work.
Apple's going to make a mint. I'm down with this. As long as I can burn CDs for myself and utilize the music the way I want to I don't care about sharing it. Kudos Apple!
If that is true then Apple has done it! They've created DRM that doesn't affect how I can uses the Audio but prevents Filesharing. To the user who simply wants good Audio in their home or Car ...they have everything they need. But to those who want to fileshare....bzzzzzt. Won't work.
Apple's going to make a mint. I'm down with this. As long as I can burn CDs for myself and utilize the music the way I want to I don't care about sharing it. Kudos Apple!
Not true. If this is true, it's VERY VERY uncool. I've got an mp3/cd player in my car and I love burning cds full of my own mp3's. It's like having a cd changer in my deck. If this is true, I'm going to be very unhappy. I guess I'll have to try it and see.
Not true. If this is true, it's VERY VERY uncool. I've got an mp3/cd player in my car and I love burning cds full of my own mp3's. It's like having a cd changer in my deck. If this is true, I'm going to be very unhappy. I guess I'll have to try it and see.
well, it's only uncool because your car stereo doesn't support AAC. if it did, you'd have no problems.
well, it's only uncool because your car stereo doesn't support AAC. if it did, you'd have no problems.
No, it's uncool because the mp3's I rip from a cd I own will be unplayable. I'm talking about taking an 'audio' cd and converting it to mp3. There should be no difference between the cd I buy in best buy and the one I download from apple. But I guess that means I HAVE to buy cds so I can rip them the way I want (or download stuff from P2P's).
Even if you burn the AAC songs onto a CD that a conventional CD player can read and then re-rip them back into standard MP3 files, the sound quality is awful.
This sounds like BS to me.
Maybe that's what they're telling the music labels but I suppose we won't have to wait long for someone to prove this either way.
How is the "only three macs" provision enforced? I keep my music on a portable hard drive which I can plug into any of several computers (home, office, lab) which get upgraded frequently. Is this going to prevent me from doing that? Is it really three computers or is it three hard drives? And what happens when you upgrade computers?
No, it's uncool because the mp3's I rip from a cd I own will be unplayable. I'm talking about taking an 'audio' cd and converting it to mp3. There should be no difference between the cd I buy in best buy and the one I download from apple. But I guess that means I HAVE to buy cds so I can rip them the way I want (or download stuff from P2P's).
um... no... MP3s you rip from your own CDs will still certainly be playable. iTunes 4 doesn't change anything with what you currently own.
oh wait... you think you're buying a CD from Apple? you're not. you're buying a new format digital download. bitching about not being able to play a new format in an old device is tantamount to bitching about not being able to play CDs in a cassette deck.
You're confusing me by using CD to refer to 'a collection of songs' (I think) but to be clear: it won't stop you ripping a physically bought CD to mp3 and, as I speculate in the post above, from my knowledge of audio codecs, that quote is pure BS and you will be able to rip aac -> CD -> mp3 (or even directly if you don't use iTunes) so chill, it appears the Apple DRM is simply to keep the lazy and stupid (aka honest) people honest.
How is the "only three macs" provision enforced? I keep my music on a portable hard drive which I can plug into any of several computers (home, office, lab) which get upgraded frequently. Is this going to prevent me from doing that? Is it really three computers or is it three hard drives? And what happens when you upgrade computers?
more specifically, it's three copies of iTunes... i really don't know how the external HD thing would work.
Steve mentioned in the broadcast that i saw that you can "deauthorize" an old computer. so when you buy a new Mac, you copy all your files over, deauthorize the old machine and authorize the new.
hard to believe the RDF effects even record industry flaks...
it'll be interesting to see how the encryption-for-three-macs works out... must be keys in the new iTunes and QT AAC codecs... and the encoding must be done at the store end, because if you can rip a current cd into AAC, you should still be able to copy it an unlimited number of times.
plus, a "counter reset" script can't be too hard...
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Originally posted by Chopper3
Does anyone KNOW (i.e. not speculate)?
It says all over the place that you can burn unlimited CDs. What more do you want?
(Or is this the answer to music downloading security: you can burn all the CDs you want, but they won't play back on any existing player?)
Originally posted by BRussell
It says all over the place that you can burn unlimited CDs. What more do you want?
Yeah, but does it burn CDs with some sort of copy-protection, or are songs on the CDs free-as-in-speech? If you can really burn to a CD then rip back into whatever (say, mp3) for use in whatever (say, any other mp3 or mp3-CD player), that seals the deal for me. Way to go Apple. Lower the prices just a tad and they will have built the perfect online music distribution system. But that seems a little too transparent a circumvention for the RIAA to have swallowed.
Has anyone tried burning CDs yet? Is this for real?
Edit: Speech. Free-as-in-speech. Sounds like Towel's had too much of the free beer today.
Originally posted by Voxapps
So if I download a bunch of AAC-encoded files and burn them to a CD, can I play them back on anything but another Mac? Will MP3-capable CD players handle AAC files?
(Or is this the answer to music downloading security: you can burn all the CDs you want, but they won't play back on any existing player?)
if you burn the AACs as an audio CD, it'll play in anything.
burning an album full of AACs will only play back on a device which supports AAC CDs, of which there are none... besides a Mac that is.
any MP3 player will need a firmware update in order to play AAC files (like the iPod update that was released today)
as for whether companies will actually update their products, it's anybody's guess. if the new service takes off, you bet your ass they will. if the store's a success and they don't, they might as well close up shop.
And anybody who tries to upload iTunes Music Store songs onto KaZaA will be shocked. Each song is encrypted with a digital key so that it can be played only on three authorized computers, and that prevents songs from being transferred online. Even if you burn the AAC songs onto a CD that a conventional CD player can read and then re-rip them back into standard MP3 files, the sound quality is awful.
Originally posted by murbot
From a Fortune.com article today:
And anybody who tries to upload iTunes Music Store songs onto KaZaA will be shocked. Each song is encrypted with a digital key so that it can be played only on three authorized computers, and that prevents songs from being transferred online. Even if you burn the AAC songs onto a CD that a conventional CD player can read and then re-rip them back into standard MP3 files, the sound quality is awful.
If that is true then Apple has done it! They've created DRM that doesn't affect how I can uses the Audio but prevents Filesharing. To the user who simply wants good Audio in their home or Car ...they have everything they need. But to those who want to fileshare....bzzzzzt. Won't work.
Apple's going to make a mint. I'm down with this. As long as I can burn CDs for myself and utilize the music the way I want to I don't care about sharing it. Kudos Apple!
Originally posted by hmurchison
If that is true then Apple has done it! They've created DRM that doesn't affect how I can uses the Audio but prevents Filesharing. To the user who simply wants good Audio in their home or Car ...they have everything they need. But to those who want to fileshare....bzzzzzt. Won't work.
Apple's going to make a mint. I'm down with this. As long as I can burn CDs for myself and utilize the music the way I want to I don't care about sharing it. Kudos Apple!
Not true. If this is true, it's VERY VERY uncool. I've got an mp3/cd player in my car and I love burning cds full of my own mp3's. It's like having a cd changer in my deck. If this is true, I'm going to be very unhappy.
Originally posted by torifile
Not true. If this is true, it's VERY VERY uncool. I've got an mp3/cd player in my car and I love burning cds full of my own mp3's. It's like having a cd changer in my deck. If this is true, I'm going to be very unhappy.
well, it's only uncool because your car stereo doesn't support AAC. if it did, you'd have no problems.
Originally posted by pesi
well, it's only uncool because your car stereo doesn't support AAC. if it did, you'd have no problems.
No, it's uncool because the mp3's I rip from a cd I own will be unplayable. I'm talking about taking an 'audio' cd and converting it to mp3. There should be no difference between the cd I buy in best buy and the one I download from apple. But I guess that means I HAVE to buy cds so I can rip them the way I want (or download stuff from P2P's).
Originally posted by murbot
From a Fortune.com article today:
Even if you burn the AAC songs onto a CD that a conventional CD player can read and then re-rip them back into standard MP3 files, the sound quality is awful.
This sounds like BS to me.
Maybe that's what they're telling the music labels but I suppose we won't have to wait long for someone to prove this either way.
Originally posted by torifile
No, it's uncool because the mp3's I rip from a cd I own will be unplayable. I'm talking about taking an 'audio' cd and converting it to mp3. There should be no difference between the cd I buy in best buy and the one I download from apple. But I guess that means I HAVE to buy cds so I can rip them the way I want (or download stuff from P2P's).
um... no... MP3s you rip from your own CDs will still certainly be playable. iTunes 4 doesn't change anything with what you currently own.
oh wait... you think you're buying a CD from Apple? you're not. you're buying a new format digital download. bitching about not being able to play a new format in an old device is tantamount to bitching about not being able to play CDs in a cassette deck.
Originally posted by torifile
No, it's uncool because...
You're confusing me by using CD to refer to 'a collection of songs' (I think) but to be clear: it won't stop you ripping a physically bought CD to mp3 and, as I speculate in the post above, from my knowledge of audio codecs, that quote is pure BS and you will be able to rip aac -> CD -> mp3 (or even directly if you don't use iTunes) so chill, it appears the Apple DRM is simply to keep the lazy and stupid (aka honest) people honest.
WM is now showing up in Car Audio decks...it's only a matter of time before AAC does. Once iTunes for PC comes out it's a whole new ballgame.
Originally posted by JBL
How is the "only three macs" provision enforced? I keep my music on a portable hard drive which I can plug into any of several computers (home, office, lab) which get upgraded frequently. Is this going to prevent me from doing that? Is it really three computers or is it three hard drives? And what happens when you upgrade computers?
more specifically, it's three copies of iTunes... i really don't know how the external HD thing would work.
Steve mentioned in the broadcast that i saw that you can "deauthorize" an old computer. so when you buy a new Mac, you copy all your files over, deauthorize the old machine and authorize the new.
Originally posted by JBL
Is it really three computers or is it three hard drives? And what happens when you upgrade computers?
It appears to be keyed to the MAC address or some other hardware based fingerprint, so three computers it is (plus rendezvous-enabled sharing).
Somewhere on apple.com it mentions de-registering computers when you upgrade so they've thought of that.
hard to believe the RDF effects even record industry flaks...
it'll be interesting to see how the encryption-for-three-macs works out... must be keys in the new iTunes and QT AAC codecs... and the encoding must be done at the store end, because if you can rip a current cd into AAC, you should still be able to copy it an unlimited number of times.
plus, a "counter reset" script can't be too hard...
Originally posted by curiousuburb
plus, a "counter reset" script can't be too hard...
not if the counter is maintained by Apple on their servers.