Ending Google search partnership would hamstring Apple, says Eddy Cue

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In a declaration filed on Monday, Apple's senior vice president of services, Eddy Cue, asserted that Apple has no interest in creating its own search engine and would prefer to continue to use Google.




In 2022, Google paid Apple $20 billion to be the default search engine on its devices. The result was a boon for both Google and Apple, with Apple receiving about 36% of the ad revenue generated from Safari search result advertising.

The declaration, spotted by Reuters, is Apple's attempt at defending Google. Cue's stance is the same one that the company has defended for quite some time now.

The declaration lists several reasons Apple is satisfied with its deal with Google. It also explains why the Cupertino tech giant has no interest in creating its own search engine.

According to Cue, if Apple were to create a search engine from the ground up, it would divert important resources away from other areas. Cue says the move would cost "billions of dollars and take many years."

He also notes that the project would be exceptionally risky, as search is evolving rapidly due to ongoing developments in artificial intelligence.

Lastly, Cue points out that building a viable search engine would require Apple to also make a platform to sell targeted advertising. He notes that Apple does not have the infrastructure or the employees needed to do so.

Cue also pushes back and highlights that while Google is set to be the default, users can choose other alternatives such as Yahoo!, Microsoft Bing, DuckDuckGo, or Ecosia.

The other proposed remedy regulators have offered would be that Google could remain the default, but only if Apple would no longer receive advertising revenue from Google. It would also potentially prohibit Apple from striking future deals with Google.

Cue argues that Apple should be given the right to decide what collaborations best serve its users. He believes that if Apple were to implement either of the DOJ's remedies, it would "hamstring Apple's ability to continue delivering products that best serve its users' needs."

In 2023, the Department of Justice declared that Google knew it was breaking antitrust laws and then attempted to cover it up. Apple's search engine result deal was used as evidence.



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  • Reply 1 of 57
    DuckDuckGo is a fine alternative to Google.  No obvious tracking.  Nice clean results without ads.
    DAalsethsunman42jas99rob53Alex1NgregoriusmMplsPwatto_cobrawilliamlondonelijahg
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  • Reply 2 of 57
    DAalsethdaalseth Posts: 3,271member
    DuckDuckGo is a fine alternative to Google.  No obvious tracking.  Nice clean results without ads.
    That’s what I switched to a few years ago. Works really well.
    jas99rob53Alex1NgregoriusmMplsPbloggerblogwatto_cobraelijahgmac_dogAlex_V
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  • Reply 3 of 57
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,352member
    I have to laugh about the ad revenue generated from Safari search result advertising. Raise your hand if you AREN'T using some kind of advertisement blocking on Safari. Wait, I'm not seeing any hands so at least the commenters on this forum aren't bothered by Google's (and other's) advertising. Apple knows this and they got $20B along with 36% of ad revenue. I use DuckDuckGo and there's very little advertising except for those ads buried in websites that aren't from Google. 
    Alex1Nwatto_cobramac_dogDAalsethAlex_V
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  • Reply 4 of 57
    I would add, If you do the same search, especially when it comes to “shopping” Google seems to do a bit better job, but I still use DDG as my default…and google used to be the independent, clean and simple bad boy of search as opposed to Aol/Microsoft when it first appeared…
    Alex1Nwatto_cobra
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  • Reply 5 of 57
    rob53 said:
    I have to laugh about the ad revenue generated from Safari search result advertising. Raise your hand if you AREN'T using some kind of advertisement blocking on Safari. Wait, I'm not seeing any hands so at least the commenters on this forum aren't bothered by Google's (and other's) advertising. Apple knows this and they got $20B along with 36% of ad revenue. I use DuckDuckGo and there's very little advertising except for those ads buried in websites that aren't from Google. 
    Why laugh? I'm pretty sure you, me, and most people on tech forums are in an extreme minority.  Most people simply don't care. People tend to want what they want and if its free, all the better it seems.  Evidence of that can be found in App Store metrics.  The top downloads are littered with Google and Facebook apps. 

    Apple has no desire to drop Google because they make a crap ton of ad revenue and don't have to do any work.  They simply offer up their users and collect the check.  For those suggesting Apple use DDG... when DDG can stroke checks like Google they might become an option.  'Til then... 
    teejay2012macxpressdewme
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  • Reply 6 of 57
    Sound like Cue is making the case that google doesn’t have to pay apple $20 billion a year. Strange case for him to make. I’m skeptical he really means it.
    nubus
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  • Reply 7 of 57
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,724member
    What CloudTalkin said. We’re the super users, Google is preying on the 95+ percent of people who aren’t.

    Do your friends and relatives a favour and (with permission), switch their default search engine to Ecosia (an environmental charity!) or Duck Duck Go. Give them AdBlock+ and show them how much better it makes the entire internet experience.

    What I like most about AdBlock+ is that it allows ads that aren’t annoying, so the websites you and your peeps love (like AppleInsider and all your favourite useful sites) stay in business, but annoying ads are blocked. Savvy users can alter the parameters of what gets in or blocked to their tastes. Perfect, ethical solution for FREE.

    They can switch it off and change their search engine back if they really want to, but you’ll have at least shown them a better way to live.
    MplsPwatto_cobra
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  • Reply 8 of 57
    Apple can continue to use google if that’s what they prefer. Nobody is saying that google can’t be used on apple devices. 
    watto_cobranubus
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  • Reply 9 of 57
    MplsPmplsp Posts: 4,107member
    I also use Duck Duck go. And an ad blocker. And private browsing tabs for every new search, but @chasm and @CloudTalkin are right. Most of my coworkers and family members have no clue about any of that stuff.

    I’m trying to figure out how Apple would be hamstrung by ending its partnership with Google. That doesn’t require Apple make its own search engine, simply that it not make Google the default in exchange for $20 billion dollars…..oh wait. Now I get it!
    muthuk_vanalingamavon b7elijahg
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  • Reply 10 of 57
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,731member
    rob53 said:
    I have to laugh about the ad revenue generated from Safari search result advertising. Raise your hand if you AREN'T using some kind of advertisement blocking on Safari. Wait, I'm not seeing any hands so at least the commenters on this forum aren't bothered by Google's (and other's) advertising. Apple knows this and they got $20B along with 36% of ad revenue. I use DuckDuckGo and there's very little advertising except for those ads buried in websites that aren't from Google. 
    The money Apple got was their 1/3 cut of the advertising revenue. It was not $20B PLUS 36% of the ads. 
    muthuk_vanalingamspherictmayjellybelly
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  • Reply 11 of 57
    How did Google's deal with Apple prevent users on this site from using DDG? I can use whatever I want on my devices and I have stayed on Google. My needs are minimal. As others have noted, commenters here represent a minority and those with 'less technical savvy' do not come here to comment, are the majority and do not care what search they use as long as they get results that they can use. Even at the cost of loss of privacy if it is free. Will Apple get into search? Doubt it. Will Google remain the main search forever? Doubt it. Does the government have any clue what they are doing here? Doubt it.
    watto_cobra
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  • Reply 12 of 57
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,352member
    gatorguy said:
    rob53 said:
    I have to laugh about the ad revenue generated from Safari search result advertising. Raise your hand if you AREN'T using some kind of advertisement blocking on Safari. Wait, I'm not seeing any hands so at least the commenters on this forum aren't bothered by Google's (and other's) advertising. Apple knows this and they got $20B along with 36% of ad revenue. I use DuckDuckGo and there's very little advertising except for those ads buried in websites that aren't from Google. 
    The money Apple got was their 1/3 cut of the advertising revenue. It was not $20B PLUS 36% of the ads. 
    "In 2022, Google paid Apple $20 billion to be the default search engine on its devices. The result was a boon for both Google and Apple, with Apple receiving about 36% of the ad revenue generated from Safari search result advertising." Who's correct? The article or you? The article starts out saying Apple received $20B AND is receiving 36% of ad revenue. That's what I said.
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  • Reply 13 of 57
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,731member
    rob53 said:
    gatorguy said:
    rob53 said:
    I have to laugh about the ad revenue generated from Safari search result advertising. Raise your hand if you AREN'T using some kind of advertisement blocking on Safari. Wait, I'm not seeing any hands so at least the commenters on this forum aren't bothered by Google's (and other's) advertising. Apple knows this and they got $20B along with 36% of ad revenue. I use DuckDuckGo and there's very little advertising except for those ads buried in websites that aren't from Google. 
    The money Apple got was their 1/3 cut of the advertising revenue. It was not $20B PLUS 36% of the ads. 
    "In 2022, Google paid Apple $20 billion to be the default search engine on its devices. The result was a boon for both Google and Apple, with Apple receiving about 36% of the ad revenue generated from Safari search result advertising." Who's correct? The article or you? The article starts out saying Apple received $20B AND is receiving 36% of ad revenue. That's what I said.
    Both. :)

    The article is saying the $20B paid to Apple in 2021 (actually a bit more but rounded off) came from 36% of the advertising revenue. It was not "in addition to". 
    Yes, the article could have been clearer since it confused not just you but probably others. It should have been worded "Google pays Apple $20 billion annually, OR about 36% of what it earns from search advertising made through the Safari browser."

    The payment Google makes to Apple comes entirely from a percentage of the search advertising revenue realized through the Safari browser. Google keeps roughly two-thirds of it, with the rest going to Apple. 
    edited December 2024
    blastdoormuthuk_vanalingamspherictmayroundaboutnow
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  • Reply 14 of 57
    Oh no, ending an illegal monopoly may make things harder for an even bigger corporation? Quick, where’s my tiny violin???
    elijahgDAalseth
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  • Reply 15 of 57
    DuckDuckGo is a fine alternative to Google.  No obvious tracking.  Nice clean results without ads.
    It’s mostly fine, but it isn’t as good. I use it as my default, but once a week I have to add a !g and get google’s results. Especially for image search. 
    teejay2012
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  • Reply 16 of 57
    People are free to use what ever search engine they want, but rest assured that Google search is superior by far than any other.
    With new AI capabilities being introduced into Google search, it is blowing away the competition including Bing and DuckDuckGo.

    Apple has the right to set the default to Google and users can change it if they want to, instead of letting carriers make deals to cripple Apple products.
    For Apple to be forced to drop Google as the default would outright damage a lot of Apple products.
    Many users don't know and don't care about switching search engine but they will buy Apple devices for the impeccable experience.

    I think DuckDuckGo gives good results but I using it as the default is settling for inferior search results all the time.
    It should not be  a crime to want to use the best and profit on the resulting popularity of your own hard-work at the same time?

    dewme
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  • Reply 17 of 57
    Apple should partner with https://kagi.com/.  I’m on a trial version right now and plan to convert to a paid subscription.    

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  • Reply 18 of 57
    macxpressmacxpress Posts: 5,979member
    Apple apparently cares about your Privacy, yet it continues to use Google as its default search engine. This is purely a financial decision only. 
    muthuk_vanalingamelijahg
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  • Reply 19 of 57
    rob53 said:
    I have to laugh about the ad revenue generated from Safari search result advertising. Raise your hand if you AREN'T using some kind of advertisement blocking on Safari. Wait, I'm not seeing any hands so at least the commenters on this forum aren't bothered by Google's (and other's) advertising. Apple knows this and they got $20B along with 36% of ad revenue. I use DuckDuckGo and there's very little advertising except for those ads buried in websites that aren't from Google. 
    Why laugh? I'm pretty sure you, me, and most people on tech forums are in an extreme minority.  Most people simply don't care. People tend to want what they want and if its free, all the better it seems.  Evidence of that can be found in App Store metrics.  The top downloads are littered with Google and Facebook apps. 

    Apple has no desire to drop Google because they make a crap ton of ad revenue and don't have to do any work.  They simply offer up their users and collect the check.  For those suggesting Apple use DDG... when DDG can stroke checks like Google they might become an option.  'Til then... 
    Well, enough people opted out of sharing details with Google as soon as Apple gave them the chance, that Google claimed they’d lost $10B in the first year as a result. Within a factor of two of what Google pays Apple every year for allowing their personal information-sucking pond scum of a search engine the honor of being the default in Safari. And those $B are I believe are really at the root of Mr. Cue’s trepidation. The whole”Apple can’t be in the search engine business” business is pure misdirection.
    elijahgdanoxwatto_cobra
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  • Reply 20 of 57
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,731member
    Apple has gone a step further than the article mentions. It now wants to participate in Google's legal defense, concerned that Google cannot adequately protect both themselves and Apple's interests against the government's demands for a break-up. 

    https://www.thurrott.com/apple/314883/apple-files-to-represent-itself-in-google-antitrust-remedy-proceedings
    edited December 2024
    muthuk_vanalingam
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