Thinner, smarter, more connected: What to expect from a 2025 Apple TV

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The next Apple TV is on the way, long overdue, and likely to bring with it multiple updates. Here's what the rumor mill believes is on the way for Apple's set-top box.

Black Apple TV device on a white shelf, with a colorful, out-of-focus brick wall background illuminated in blue and pink hues.
Current-gen Apple TV 4K



Apple's last update to the Apple TV was in 2022. A new model is likely to arrive sometime in 2025, if rumors about the set-top box are to be believed.

As usual for Apple hardware, there are a wide variety of changes expected for the device. What follows is what the rumor mill and online chatter propose Apple will do to its smallest device for the home's biggest screen.

Apple TV - Redesign and networking



Just as it has done for the Mac mini and other hardware, Apple's push to make everything more compact will continue with the Apple TV. The 2022 design was a bit smaller, but so will the 2025 update.

Don't expect a new dongle design or anything too dramatic. It should look like how it does now, but slightly thinner.



Two different models are also expected as usual, with a lower-end entry-level model accompanied by a higher-end version. The upper-tier model will have more storage, thread connectivity, and an Ethernet port.

Networking will also be one of the bigger upgrades for the Apple TV.

Apple has been working on its own in-house wireless chip, which could end up debuting in the Apple TV and a new HomePod. Codenamed Proxima, the chip supports Wi-Fi 6E and Bluetooth 5.3, which are both big upgrades for the set-top box.

These will be replacing the Broadcom chips already used in the Apple TV, and will be the first real-world trial for Apple's design. Eventually, they will make their way into the iPhone and other hardware.

This could even turn the Apple TV into a mesh access point in the future, helping to improve your home and smart home's Wi-Fi coverage.

Apple TV - Processing



A faster processor is always a good bet for hardware updates. The A15 Bionic in use at the moment is a powerhouse, but it does have a lot on its plate.

Aside from usual video streaming duties and gaming, it's also used as a smart home hub. That means it has to deal with HomeKit secure video feeds and other tasks, which aren't necessarily user-facing.

With a better chip, it could improve the processing, opening itself up to handling more HomeKit analysis tasks.

Two Apple logos with silver text; left says A18, right says A18 Pro, against colorful gradient backgrounds.
It's not hard to imagine an Apple TV with an A18 chip.



Gaming is also becoming more important to Apple, and with netting some major titles on Mac already, giving the Apple TV more power could bring them to the compact device too.

As for what this chip could be, code found in iOS 18 references a new home accessory using an A18 processor. This is the same as used in the iPhone 16.

There's also a chance that the Apple could end up using the A17 Pro in the Apple TV. It's the minimum chip required to run Apple Intelligence, which could bring more benefits to the Apple TV.

That includes an improved Siri, with more contextual awareness. This will help improve search, handle follow-up queries, and maybe even improve recommendations for the user.

Apple TV - Audio improvements.



Multiple comments in AppleInsider videos have asked about getting DTS Audio in the Apple TV. We know Apple supports Dolby Atmos, but the people who want DTS aren't backing down.

To be the be-all-and-end-all of streaming boxes, it should support as many formats as it can. Adding DTS would make sense in this scenario.

Add in that Disney+ added support for DTS:X, it means the format is seeing some higher adoption. Whether that translates into full-blown support is another matter.

Apple TV - Siri Remote



The current second-gen Siri Remote is good, but it could still enjoy some changes. For a start, the side Siri button could receive a small rebranding to an Apple Intelligence button, which wouldn't take that much to accomplish.

Silver remote control with circular navigation pad and black buttons, resting on a weathered wooden surface.
Second-gen Siri Remote



Better Find My support would be welcomed, as even Google made its streaming box easy to find the remote, thank to a button on the back of the box that makes the remote play a sound. This is a simple interface for users, while Apple still uses a more rudimentary Find My implementation.

Telling the user that the remote is in the living room isn't that helpful. However, real Ultra Wideband support would solve this problem by directing modern iPhones in the right direction.

Apple TV - Possible release times



There were reports that Apple was ready to release the updated Apple TV in early 2024, but pulled back from doing so for some reason.

This could've been to add new features, or even to avoid dealing with it during the Apple Intelligence launch. It's unknown why, but it was seemingly pulled from a 2024 launch, with a 2025 release seemingly more likely at the time of WWDC.

However, no-one ultimately knows when it will be released. A release during the Spring window seems as likely as any other to get a new box to play with.



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  • Reply 1 of 32
    Just buy TiVo and incorporate its features, especially its remote which is the best in the business. Streaming has made modern television a MESS, and there is plenty of room for Apple to step in and provide “TV for the rest of us.” 
    edited January 10 williamlondonForumPostbloggerblogdecoderringrezwits
  • Reply 2 of 32
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 13,135member
    Just buy TiVo and incorporate its features, especially its remote which is the best in the business. Streaming has made modern television a MESS, and there is plenty of room for Apple to step in and provide “TV for the rest of us.” 
    I have to disagree. I ditched cabled long, long ago, but when I use it at a family member's or a hotel, I am shocked at how badly it sucks. 

    - The "Guide" interfaces to browse channels. Clunky, chunky, laggy, and generally awful.

    - There are like 300+ channels in that guide, dozens of them for channels the set doesn't even get! Have to use "page up/down" buttons to travel it. What is this??!!? lol

    - The content -- 90% reality TV, either cooking or home improvement shows. That's it. It all sucks. I am *not* missing anything on cable, whatsoever. 
    My MIL recently got some new fangled set-top box for her cable, like an Apple TV (but not) and it was so confusing to her we had to send it back and get the old school cable box back. 

    So compared to all that, the ATV is a dream:

    - I just have apps for the channels I subscribe to

    - The best ones integrate w/ the TV app so play nice with the "next" queue so I can avoid their shitty in-app custom UX. Netflix of course, refuses to play ball.

    - You can even use the TV app's browser to select your subscribed channel and view its content offerings, without ever leaving TV app and having to use the horrible developer's app (looking at you, Prime and Max).

    ...so no, cable is already a mess all by itself. My ATV makes it sane. It would be even saner if all the apps abandoned their shitty custom players and used the native ATV player/controls and Up Next feature.

    edited January 10 SmittyWForumPostAlex1Nwatto_cobraunbeliever2decoderringappleinsideruserdope_ahminemaccampurplepear
  • Reply 3 of 32
    Maybe Siri on Apple TV will finally be the "chat" AI that will allow interactive, refineable searches with images, where you hone in on things you were looking to find, or build, or construct, or assemble, via Apple TV remote and your TV.
    watto_cobrajas99
  • Reply 4 of 32
    We need all the above. A17 pro, thread support, mesh-capable wifi in the box, AI, spring/summer release etc. I’ll definitely buy one to add to my 2nd gen 4K atv. A big plus if they upgrade the game capabilities to match that of the latest iPhone. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 32
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,876member
    I don't know how new this is but the remote app on iOS (not really an app anymore, but still) lets you find the remote-ish. No direction but tells you how far you are from it.
    kkqd1337watto_cobraunbeliever2decoderringappleinsideruserdope_ahmine
  • Reply 6 of 32
    I really love my ATV

    It’s the best and fastest streaming box I ever used 

    Honestly I don’t think Apple need to bother updating it for even another 2 years. The competition are so far behind.

    Upgrades however always welcome. But AI is literally junk. 
    watto_cobradarbus69williamlondonjas99
  • Reply 7 of 32
    A long shot, but bringing back optical audio output (which TV used to have) would be great for AirPlay directly to the stereo system without requiring a third-party HDMI audio extractor component. Not holding my breath, of course.
    watto_cobradecoderringjeffharriswilliamlondon
  • Reply 8 of 32
    No one knows?

    Not even Tim Cook?

    Release date could change, but I bet he “knows,” and his team is committed to their given deadline.
  • Reply 9 of 32
    A long shot, but bringing back optical audio output (which TV used to have) would be great for AirPlay directly to the stereo system without requiring a third-party HDMI audio extractor component. Not holding my breath, of course.
    This is exactly what I want as well and would happily upgrade just for this.
    williamlondonelijahgretrogusto
  • Reply 10 of 32
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,830member
    I’m definitely ready to replace my one AppleTV HD with a newer version beyond the latest 4K that I have on a different TV. Apple TVs have always been super stable and reliable for me. 

    My “dream” Apple TV would be in a soundbar form factor with sound, camera, and microphone. This may be too far away from the current Apple TV so it would have to be a different model. 

    It’s more likely the next update will be a spec upgrade that’s smaller, better, and faster with more storage. Is it too early to consider 8K support? Integration with HomeKit and Matter security cameras with some onboard storage to capture live video from the cameras. 

    These are all big asks so I’m preparing myself for spec bumps. 

    luke hambly
  • Reply 11 of 32
    egold44 said:
    No one knows?

    Not even Tim Cook?

    Release date could change, but I bet he “knows,” and his team is committed to their given deadline.

    Guess not even Jesus Christ... second guess cyber Jesus may!!
  • Reply 12 of 32
    I wonder about support for 8K and 120Mhz. I love my Apple TV but my next TV - which is a 2024 model - supports 120Mhz at 4K already. I am so in love with what Dolby Atmos delivers with my HomePods Gen 2 and more important my Devialet Dione (a hell of a soundbar!), I don’t miss anything (and good old Stereo for Music isn’t dead either). 
    decoderringrezwitsForumPost
  • Reply 13 of 32
    A long shot, but bringing back optical audio output (which TV used to have) would be great for AirPlay directly to the stereo system without requiring a third-party HDMI audio extractor component. Not holding my breath, of course.
    If your TV and stereo or speakers are HDMI eARC compliant it works.

    My Apple TV 4K is connected to an LG G2 4K TV that connects directly to a pair of KEF LS60 Wireless speakers and subwoofers with an HDMI eARC cable.
    To turn on the entire system, I just use the Apple TV remote. 
    The TV turns on and the speakers turn on and automatically switch inputs to the TV. 
    The only downside is that I have to use the TV remote to control volume and MUTE. Otherwise, it works flawlessly.

    The LS60s support AirPlay 2, so I can stream music to the from my Mac, IPhone or iPad. 
    They have optical, RCA/AUX and coax inputs. I have a CD player connected to them, too.
    Japhey
  • Reply 14 of 32
    dewme said:
    I’m definitely ready to replace my one AppleTV HD with a newer version beyond the latest 4K that I have on a different TV. Apple TVs have always been super stable and reliable for me. 

    My “dream” Apple TV would be in a soundbar form factor with sound, camera, and microphone. This may be too far away from the current Apple TV so it would have to be a different model. 

    It’s more likely the next update will be a spec upgrade that’s smaller, better, and faster with more storage. Is it too early to consider 8K support? Integration with HomeKit and Matter security cameras with some onboard storage to capture live video from the cameras. 

    These are all big asks so I’m preparing myself for spec bumps. 

    I was hoping at least native camera support for video conferencing but things could get interesting using the Face ID tech for gaming too!
    williamlondon
  • Reply 15 of 32
    I’m good with my Apple TV 4K (2021) for now. I’ll wait and see if there are any compelling updates but I don’t feel any need to upgrade as it works very well with HomePod 2 and my 4K LG television.
    edited January 11 decoderringwilliamlondonjas99
  • Reply 16 of 32
    Given the fact that ATV is still a hobby of Apple, I have zero expectations. ATV is outdated for years. 
    williamlondondecoderringbeowulfschmidtcharlesnjas99
  • Reply 17 of 32
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,155member
    The part i find intriguing here is the addition of wifi. The Tech Dudes here likely know this, but I don't: what is a "mesh access point"? is that a wifi range extender only, or if this new box has an ethernet port, can I use it as...an Airport? I still use a handful of these around my house, but if this new ATV could be wired into one of the LAN ports on that, I'd get an upgrade to 6E off of it. Right?

    Any way you slice it, Apple is going to make a premium product. The price isn't dropping, folks.
  • Reply 18 of 32
    m4m40m4m40 Posts: 25member
    My guess (or hope) is that the new ATV will be powerful enough to run some local LLMs and act as a on-premise backend for AI in HomePods. 
    williamlondon
  • Reply 19 of 32
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,155member
    m4m40 said:
    My guess (or hope) is that the new ATV will be powerful enough to run some local LLMs and act as a on-premise backend for AI in HomePods. 
    All right, I'll bite. I have no idea what this means. Does it help play music or watch tv? Does it mean when I say, "hey siri. play that music by Taylor Swift where she complains about her ex-boyfriends?" and she responds, "I don't know how to do that. Here's some information on your iPhone..." that I don't have with me and don't care to look at or i would have gone there first will stop?
    appleinsideruser
  • Reply 20 of 32
    Make it an Apple TV Pro. Including support for 8k and with an M4 to rival any PlayStation 5 or XBOX in terms of gaming. 
    williamlondondope_ahmineStrangeDaysForumPost
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