Apple Miami Worldcenter is a nature and accessibility paradise

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Apple Miami Worldcenter is opening on January 24, with the unique storefront designed for accessibility and the environment, complete with a plant-covered roof.

Modern building with illuminated logo, large glass entrance, surrounded by palm trees and people on a walkway. High-rise buildings in the background under a dim evening sky.
The outside of Apple Miami Worldcenter - Image Credit: Apple



Apple Stores often offer designs that incorporate the retail outlet aesthetic into interesting buildings and structures, beyond the typical mall locations. With Apple Miami Worldcenter, Apple is taking a very outlandish approach.

Photographs shared days ahead of its January 24 opening reveal Apple Miami Worldcenter to be an unusual store design, even for Apple. For a start, while it is a store that is surrounded by skyscrapers, it's a ground-level retail space without stairs or any additional height.

The store occupies a large rectangular parcel of land, but one that tries to offer a very nature-focused approach. Trees and plants surround the outside of the store, while the roof is also covered with greenery.

A spacious, bright tech store with wooden tables displaying electronic devices, several people browsing products, and staff in blue shirts assisting customers.
Looking down the tables at the new store - Image Credit: Apple



The biophilic design is apparently inspired by Miami's Latin America influence and is intended to make the store as inviting as possible to the local community. Using universal design principles, it has varied table and seating heights, as well as wheelchair-friendly access routes.

A portable hearing loop is provided for users with hearing aids, as well as an assistive listening loop at the Today at Apple table.

A group of five people sit at a table with a colorful Apple logo displayed on a screen behind them.
Today At Apple at Apple Miami Worldcenter - Image Credit: Apple



Inside, it uses a primarily wooden aesthetic, using regionally-sourced timber and other low-carbon materials. Aside from a low carbon intensity construction, the store itself is carbon neutral and runs on 100% renewable energy.

As for what the store offers, Apple Miami Worldcenter will provide the usual services, including trade-ins, carrier activation, and personalized setup of the iPhone 16.

People in a modern store setting; one person wearing VR headset, others seated nearby engaged with tablets. Wood-paneled walls and tech displays in the background.
Side seating areas in Apple Miami Worldcenter - Image Credit: Apple



While it will be the tenth Apple Store to open in Miami, it will be the first to have a dedicated Apple Pickup area, so customers can quickly acquire their online orders.

"Miami is a city with a history, culture, and life all its own, and we are thrilled to capture that energy with Apple Miami Worldcenter in downtown Miami," said Apple SVP of Retail and People Deirdre O'Brien.

"This new store brings Apple values to life in every detail, while celebrating the creativity of the city with an incredible lineup of in-store sessions," the SVP continued. "Our team can't wait to welcome customers and share exceptional personal shopping and support experiences like only Apple can."

Store interior with light wood, two service counters labeled Genius Bar and Pickup, four people interacting, two seated, two standing.
The Apple Pickup desk at Apple Miami Worldcenter - Image Credit: Apple



In hyping the storefront's opening, Apple has offered consumers flower-based wallpapers for the Mac, the iPhone, and iPad.



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  • Reply 1 of 12
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,354member
    “Biophillic”
    designers and marketers really love to get a tight grip on their, umm “genius” don’t they? They are really marketing themselves.

    It reminds me of the MBA fad of twenty years ago where every ambitious young executive to be would come out with their own marvellous organisational theory they would proselytise to the C suite as a way to climb the ladder. Worse, when their theory actually resulted in a restructure that was inflicted on the poor worker. See also change  types would rock in, inflict change and then move on claiming victory long before the results are exposed by the next MBA and their theory. They were like seagulls: fly in making lots of noise, shit everywhere and then move on to do the same elsewhere. Nowadays the MBA fad to climb the corporate ladder is Monitoring, Evaluation and Learning.

    But I digress. I really like the interior, where wood everywhere is very on trend. It seems there is a tonne of storage and workrooms on either side, or are they other shops? As for the garden roof, well, nothing new there.
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  • Reply 2 of 12
    thttht Posts: 5,814member
    Looks like any other Apple Store?

    What I would like to see are sound dampening materials, inside the store. Place is loud!

    Obviously, I'm big on being carbon neutral, if not negative. So, roof has to be either a solar PV panel set, painted white or passive radiative cooling panels. There should be battery storage. Windows are thermally efficient or solar PV. Parking lot, if an open field, not a garage, should be covered by PV panels.
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  • Reply 3 of 12
    tht said:
    Looks like any other Apple Store?

    What I would like to see are sound dampening materials, inside the store. Place is loud!

    Obviously, I'm big on being carbon neutral, if not negative. So, roof has to be either a solar PV panel set, painted white or passive radiative cooling panels. There should be battery storage. Windows are thermally efficient or solar PV. Parking lot, if an open field, not a garage, should be covered by PV panels.
    I'm guessing Apple considers the 'liveliness' of the noise a good juxtaposition to the minimalist style. Although, perhaps the noise is why they include trees in some of their stores.

    Personally, I was disappointed about the carbon neutral part. Geologically speaking, we're at record-low CO2 levels. The plants/algae, and thus every other form of life on this planet, need more CO2. %0.04 of the atmosphere is anemic.

    Regardless, I can't wait to visit this store, maybe even for the opening, it looks amazing. 
    Wesley Hilliardwilliamlondonronn
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  • Reply 4 of 12
    Wesley Hilliardwesley hilliard Posts: 374member, administrator, moderator, editor
    SmittyW said:
    tht said:
    Looks like any other Apple Store?

    What I would like to see are sound dampening materials, inside the store. Place is loud!

    Obviously, I'm big on being carbon neutral, if not negative. So, roof has to be either a solar PV panel set, painted white or passive radiative cooling panels. There should be battery storage. Windows are thermally efficient or solar PV. Parking lot, if an open field, not a garage, should be covered by PV panels.
    I'm guessing Apple considers the 'liveliness' of the noise a good juxtaposition to the minimalist style. Although, perhaps the noise is why they include trees in some of their stores.

    Personally, I was disappointed about the carbon neutral part. Geologically speaking, we're at record-low CO2 levels. The plants/algae, and thus every other form of life on this planet, need more CO2. %0.04 of the atmosphere is anemic.

    Regardless, I can't wait to visit this store, maybe even for the opening, it looks amazing. 
    CO2 was thousands of PPM in pre-human history more than 32 million years ago, so yeah, from that perspective we're at a "record-low." However, the sun was 32 million years younger! It put off less heat than today. And atmospheric conditions and needs for life that existed then were very different too!

    Science is cool. If you learn more than one snippet of out-of-context data, you can learn why climate change is an incredible issue and why suggesting we need more CO2 is not only incredibly ignorant but dangerous thing to say.

    I won't delete your comment, but you went well out of your way to share such incredible misinformation about climate in a story about an Apple Store. I will assume our forum members are knowledgeable enough to ignore this, so I'll leave it.

    Don't be weird. Stay on topic. Thanks.
    williamlondondewmeronn
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  • Reply 5 of 12
    SmittyW said:
    tht said:
    Looks like any other Apple Store?

    What I would like to see are sound dampening materials, inside the store. Place is loud!

    Obviously, I'm big on being carbon neutral, if not negative. So, roof has to be either a solar PV panel set, painted white or passive radiative cooling panels. There should be battery storage. Windows are thermally efficient or solar PV. Parking lot, if an open field, not a garage, should be covered by PV panels.
    I'm guessing Apple considers the 'liveliness' of the noise a good juxtaposition to the minimalist style. Although, perhaps the noise is why they include trees in some of their stores.

    Personally, I was disappointed about the carbon neutral part. Geologically speaking, we're at record-low CO2 levels. The plants/algae, and thus every other form of life on this planet, need more CO2. %0.04 of the atmosphere is anemic.

    Regardless, I can't wait to visit this store, maybe even for the opening, it looks amazing. 
    CO2 was thousands of PPM in pre-human history more than 32 million years ago, so yeah, from that perspective we're at a "record-low." However, the sun was 32 million years younger! It put off less heat than today. And atmospheric conditions and needs for life that existed then were very different too!

    Science is cool. If you learn more than one snippet of out-of-context data, you can learn why climate change is an incredible issue and why suggesting we need more CO2 is not only incredibly ignorant but dangerous thing to say.

    I won't delete your comment, but you went well out of your way to share such incredible misinformation about climate in a story about an Apple Store. I will assume our forum members are knowledgeable enough to ignore this, so I'll leave it.

    Don't be weird. Stay on topic. Thanks.
    Are you a mod? That was on topic, by the way (if I'm missing something here, please also inform Tht).

    Also, what makes you the arbiter of climate knowledge? What fundamentals of life have changed since then? I'm pretty sure that photosynthesis, the carbon cycle, etc. haven't changed. CO2 has a negligible, if any, impact on temp; we've experienced ice ages with 10x the amount of CO2 we have now, which is undisputed. Furthermore, the volstok ice cores clearly show that the increase in temp comes *before* the increases in CO2 (by 400-800 years), as one would naturally expect via outgassing of CO2 from the oceans.

    The actual cause of global temp fluctuations has already been discovered (hint: it's not CO2; hint #2: it involves the earth's only source of external heat energy).

    Lastly, feel free to call me weird, or some other name. But, I'd ask that you don't use ad hominems as rhetorical framing to dismiss my points. 
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  • Reply 6 of 12
    Wesley Hilliardwesley hilliard Posts: 374member, administrator, moderator, editor
    SmittyW said:
    SmittyW said:
    tht said:
    Looks like any other Apple Store?

    What I would like to see are sound dampening materials, inside the store. Place is loud!

    Obviously, I'm big on being carbon neutral, if not negative. So, roof has to be either a solar PV panel set, painted white or passive radiative cooling panels. There should be battery storage. Windows are thermally efficient or solar PV. Parking lot, if an open field, not a garage, should be covered by PV panels.
    I'm guessing Apple considers the 'liveliness' of the noise a good juxtaposition to the minimalist style. Although, perhaps the noise is why they include trees in some of their stores.

    Personally, I was disappointed about the carbon neutral part. Geologically speaking, we're at record-low CO2 levels. The plants/algae, and thus every other form of life on this planet, need more CO2. %0.04 of the atmosphere is anemic.

    Regardless, I can't wait to visit this store, maybe even for the opening, it looks amazing. 
    CO2 was thousands of PPM in pre-human history more than 32 million years ago, so yeah, from that perspective we're at a "record-low." However, the sun was 32 million years younger! It put off less heat than today. And atmospheric conditions and needs for life that existed then were very different too!

    Science is cool. If you learn more than one snippet of out-of-context data, you can learn why climate change is an incredible issue and why suggesting we need more CO2 is not only incredibly ignorant but dangerous thing to say.

    I won't delete your comment, but you went well out of your way to share such incredible misinformation about climate in a story about an Apple Store. I will assume our forum members are knowledgeable enough to ignore this, so I'll leave it.

    Don't be weird. Stay on topic. Thanks.
    Are you a mod? That was on topic, by the way (if I'm missing something here, please also inform Tht).

    Lastly, feel free to call me weird, or some other name. But, I'd ask that you don't use ad hominems as rhetorical framing to dismiss my points. 
    THT was on topic. You taking a comment on carbon neutral Apple Stores and using it as an opportunity to share misinformation involving climate change denial is not.

    I wasn't attempting to perform an ad hominem attack. It was truly weird to go from one thing to the other. Believe what you like, but don't spread that nonsense here.

    And yes, I'm a staff member. Let's not have to have this discussion again please. Stick to Apple and the topics at hand. You have a very short comment history and almost all of them involve you saying something borderline controversial or filled with misinformation. It could be interpreted to mean you're intentionally trying to create controversy, which is a violation of the rules and can lead to a ban if we keep having to have this chat.
    ronn
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  • Reply 7 of 12
    SmittyW said:
    SmittyW said:
    tht said:
    Looks like any other Apple Store?

    What I would like to see are sound dampening materials, inside the store. Place is loud!

    Obviously, I'm big on being carbon neutral, if not negative. So, roof has to be either a solar PV panel set, painted white or passive radiative cooling panels. There should be battery storage. Windows are thermally efficient or solar PV. Parking lot, if an open field, not a garage, should be covered by PV panels.
    I'm guessing Apple considers the 'liveliness' of the noise a good juxtaposition to the minimalist style. Although, perhaps the noise is why they include trees in some of their stores.

    Personally, I was disappointed about the carbon neutral part. Geologically speaking, we're at record-low CO2 levels. The plants/algae, and thus every other form of life on this planet, need more CO2. %0.04 of the atmosphere is anemic.

    Regardless, I can't wait to visit this store, maybe even for the opening, it looks amazing. 
    CO2 was thousands of PPM in pre-human history more than 32 million years ago, so yeah, from that perspective we're at a "record-low." However, the sun was 32 million years younger! It put off less heat than today. And atmospheric conditions and needs for life that existed then were very different too!

    Science is cool. If you learn more than one snippet of out-of-context data, you can learn why climate change is an incredible issue and why suggesting we need more CO2 is not only incredibly ignorant but dangerous thing to say.

    I won't delete your comment, but you went well out of your way to share such incredible misinformation about climate in a story about an Apple Store. I will assume our forum members are knowledgeable enough to ignore this, so I'll leave it.

    Don't be weird. Stay on topic. Thanks.
    Are you a mod? That was on topic, by the way (if I'm missing something here, please also inform Tht).

    Lastly, feel free to call me weird, or some other name. But, I'd ask that you don't use ad hominems as rhetorical framing to dismiss my points. 
    THT was on topic. You taking a comment on carbon neutral Apple Stores and using it as an opportunity to share misinformation involving climate change denial is not.

    I wasn't attempting to perform an ad hominem attack. It was truly weird to go from one thing to the other. Believe what you like, but don't spread that nonsense here.

    And yes, I'm a staff member. Let's not have to have this discussion again please. Stick to Apple and the topics at hand. You have a very short comment history and almost all of them involve you saying something borderline controversial or filled with misinformation. It could be interpreted to mean you're intentionally trying to create controversy, which is a violation of the rules and can lead to a ban if we keep having to have this chat.
    That's fair, I may have misread you 'weird' comment. I still feel like it was on topic, as I was substantiating my perspective on the carbon neutral issue, and how it may differ from Tht's comment (I've always enjoyed his comments, btw). I have to say, I can't help but notice a potential bias, as I've read many, clearly political, off-topic, inflammatory comments on other threads that don't get the same attention that mine do. I feel like my comments are respectful and thoughtful; if you disagree with me, I appreciate that, but I would hope that there is a balanced approach when it comes to formal moderation. I've been an enthusiastic Apple fan for a very long time, including defending Tim from the haters, even when they share some of the same viewpoints as me. Lastly, if you think anything I've said is 'nonsense,' I'm happy to have a dialogue about them. Free speech is how we hash things out and get to the truth. As you said, if my viewpoints are wrong, people will dismiss them as so.
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  • Reply 8 of 12
    Wesley Hilliardwesley hilliard Posts: 374member, administrator, moderator, editor
    SmittyW said:
    SmittyW said:
    SmittyW said:
    tht said:
    Looks like any other Apple Store?

    What I would like to see are sound dampening materials, inside the store. Place is loud!

    Obviously, I'm big on being carbon neutral, if not negative. So, roof has to be either a solar PV panel set, painted white or passive radiative cooling panels. There should be battery storage. Windows are thermally efficient or solar PV. Parking lot, if an open field, not a garage, should be covered by PV panels.
    I'm guessing Apple considers the 'liveliness' of the noise a good juxtaposition to the minimalist style. Although, perhaps the noise is why they include trees in some of their stores.

    Personally, I was disappointed about the carbon neutral part. Geologically speaking, we're at record-low CO2 levels. The plants/algae, and thus every other form of life on this planet, need more CO2. %0.04 of the atmosphere is anemic.

    Regardless, I can't wait to visit this store, maybe even for the opening, it looks amazing. 
    CO2 was thousands of PPM in pre-human history more than 32 million years ago, so yeah, from that perspective we're at a "record-low." However, the sun was 32 million years younger! It put off less heat than today. And atmospheric conditions and needs for life that existed then were very different too!

    Science is cool. If you learn more than one snippet of out-of-context data, you can learn why climate change is an incredible issue and why suggesting we need more CO2 is not only incredibly ignorant but dangerous thing to say.

    I won't delete your comment, but you went well out of your way to share such incredible misinformation about climate in a story about an Apple Store. I will assume our forum members are knowledgeable enough to ignore this, so I'll leave it.

    Don't be weird. Stay on topic. Thanks.
    Are you a mod? That was on topic, by the way (if I'm missing something here, please also inform Tht).

    Lastly, feel free to call me weird, or some other name. But, I'd ask that you don't use ad hominems as rhetorical framing to dismiss my points. 
    THT was on topic. You taking a comment on carbon neutral Apple Stores and using it as an opportunity to share misinformation involving climate change denial is not.

    I wasn't attempting to perform an ad hominem attack. It was truly weird to go from one thing to the other. Believe what you like, but don't spread that nonsense here.

    And yes, I'm a staff member. Let's not have to have this discussion again please. Stick to Apple and the topics at hand. You have a very short comment history and almost all of them involve you saying something borderline controversial or filled with misinformation. It could be interpreted to mean you're intentionally trying to create controversy, which is a violation of the rules and can lead to a ban if we keep having to have this chat.
    That's fair, I may have misread you 'weird' comment. I still feel like it was on topic, as I was substantiating my perspective on the carbon neutral issue, and how it may differ from Tht's comment (I've always enjoyed his comments, btw). I have to say, I can't help but notice a potential bias, as I've read many, clearly political, off-topic, inflammatory comments on other threads that don't get the same attention that mine do. I feel like my comments are respectful and thoughtful; if you disagree with me, I appreciate that, but I would hope that there is a balanced approach when it comes to formal moderation. I've been an enthusiastic Apple fan for a very long time, including defending Tim from the haters, even when they share some of the same viewpoints as me. Lastly, if you think anything I've said is 'nonsense,' I'm happy to have a dialogue about them. Free speech is how we hash things out and get to the truth. As you said, if my viewpoints are wrong, people will dismiss them as so.
    Like I said, I don't want to ban you or anything. If I thought you were intentionally trying to start something you'd have been banned already. But let's just say we do disagree and I'm sure you must realize your views aren't exactly conventional. So, let's stick to talking Apple and all is fine.

    As far as the rest of the forums. It's tough moderating people. If you've seen my comments elsewhere, believe me, I have had a time talking to some people with certain viewpoints. You might feel singled out if only, again, all your posts made in recent days have been on much more controversial topics and your stance appears to be, to put it bluntly, more extreme to the right.

    I'm happy to have open discourse with people that mean well. But you can't always tell. Like when you told me to go look up something in another thread, it came off as if you were suggesting I was ignorant about the topic. Tone can't really be conveyed in text very well, so I try to keep an open mind.

    I wouldn't say there's a bias. I have my opinions, yes, but they don't color my judgments, or at least I try to not let them. When someone is being overly aggressive or insulting forum members, it crosses a line and action is taken, bans, comment deletions, etc. But when it is information, whether they believe it or not, it's a tougher call. For example, I won't allow people to discuss things that are clearly sexist, racist, or homophobic even if their beliefs make these "facts" non controversial. Climate change, politics, and such are touchy, and if the topic allows for it, we don't usually step in.

    People calling Biden senile or Trump crazy stays up because these harmless posts affect no one involved. But if someone says vaccines don't work or climate change isn't real, it's not exactly something we want shown or represented on our website. And there's almost never a time when a topic should reach those kinds of discussions anyway. We're not a scientific authority so that kind of discourse is almost always off topic. Yes, Apple has green energy initiatives, but if you or someone else doesn't believe in climate change, that doesn't change the fact that Apple is doing those things, so trying to share reasons why you think climate change doesn't exist is off topic and derails a conversation.

    I'm glad we could flesh this out. Stick to Apple. Stay away from controversial topics outside of Apple. And when it comes to politics, when the article involves politics, discuss them within reason. The mod team here will flag when people step out of line. And if we miss something, people can email us so we can address it.

    But yeah, sorry, we're not going to get into climate change denial science, please. Sorry if I came off a bit harsh. You can imagine it's been a bit of a tense week in these forums. :)
    ronn
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  • Reply 9 of 12
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,557member
    SmittyW said:
    tht said:
    Looks like any other Apple Store?

    What I would like to see are sound dampening materials, inside the store. Place is loud!

    Obviously, I'm big on being carbon neutral, if not negative. So, roof has to be either a solar PV panel set, painted white or passive radiative cooling panels. There should be battery storage. Windows are thermally efficient or solar PV. Parking lot, if an open field, not a garage, should be covered by PV panels.
    I'm guessing Apple considers the 'liveliness' of the noise a good juxtaposition to the minimalist style. Although, perhaps the noise is why they include trees in some of their stores.

    Personally, I was disappointed about the carbon neutral part. Geologically speaking, we're at record-low CO2 levels. The plants/algae, and thus every other form of life on this planet, need more CO2. %0.04 of the atmosphere is anemic.

    Regardless, I can't wait to visit this store, maybe even for the opening, it looks amazing. 
    Geologically speaking humans are just blip on the timeline and if we want to keep ticking along to make in up to being a dot or a dash then we do have to act like a species that doesn’t just expect the earth to put up with us. 

    Co2 is at the highest level of any time in human existence by a significant margin. I doubt you can present a credible source to say otherwise.. oh there is that one floating around Facebook again now they have stopped filter misinformation. It can defeated by Duck duck Go in 0.016 seconds. 


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  • Reply 10 of 12
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,557member
    entropys said:
    “Biophillic”
    designers and marketers really love to get a tight grip on their, umm “genius” don’t they? They are really marketing themselves.

    It reminds me of the MBA fad of twenty years ago where every ambitious young executive to be would come out with their own marvellous organisational theory they would proselytise to the C suite as a way to climb the ladder. Worse, when their theory actually resulted in a restructure that was inflicted on the poor worker. See also change  types would rock in, inflict change and then move on claiming victory long before the results are exposed by the next MBA and their theory. They were like seagulls: fly in making lots of noise, shit everywhere and then move on to do the same elsewhere. Nowadays the MBA fad to climb the corporate ladder is Monitoring, Evaluation and Learning.

    But I digress. I really like the interior, where wood everywhere is very on trend. It seems there is a tonne of storage and workrooms on either side, or are they other shops? As for the garden roof, well, nothing new there.
    Biophilic design was coined as a term in 1973 but as a concept is much older and part of the direct school of Design Apple and their architecture has always been part of. 

    But agree fully MBA schools do produce a lot of Rubbish impractical short term “thinking” the world would be better off without. 
    edited January 23
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  • Reply 11 of 12
    thttht Posts: 5,814member
    SmittyW said:
    tht said:
    Looks like any other Apple Store?

    What I would like to see are sound dampening materials, inside the store. Place is loud!

    Obviously, I'm big on being carbon neutral, if not negative. So, roof has to be either a solar PV panel set, painted white or passive radiative cooling panels. There should be battery storage. Windows are thermally efficient or solar PV. Parking lot, if an open field, not a garage, should be covered by PV panels.
    I'm guessing Apple considers the 'liveliness' of the noise a good juxtaposition to the minimalist style. Although, perhaps the noise is why they include trees in some of their stores.

    Personally, I was disappointed about the carbon neutral part. Geologically speaking, we're at record-low CO2 levels. The plants/algae, and thus every other form of life on this planet, need more CO2. %0.04 of the atmosphere is anemic.

    Regardless, I can't wait to visit this store, maybe even for the opening, it looks amazing. 
    The noise is mostly a function of how many people are in the store, or restaurant, whatever interior space. If it is loud enough such that you have to talk loudly or strain to hear the person next to you, it's too loud, and it stresses the people inside.

    Perhaps the store owners view it as a sign, to customers, that the store is vibrant, busy and a place to go, and as such, they don't want to address it. They want it that way. For restaurants, they don't have the capital to do anything about it as it likely requires sound dampening foam on the ceiling and walls. For Apple? They really should do something about it.

    Solar+storage is a win-win for any new and renovated building if the geometry is right for solar. Over a 20 year time span, it cuts the cost of energy in half. For this Apple retail store, what, it's 10,000 ft2?, I'd estimate about 350 KWH per day on average. At $0.20 per KWH, that's $70 per day, 25k per year and 500k over 20 years. A solar+storage system that covers 99% of their usage will cost on order 250k. Saves money, it's carbon neutral, and it protects them from the shenanigans from the grid utility. Win-win-win.

    Kind of amazing that many Apple retail stores are over 20 years old now; and, there isn't much doubt (?) that the Apple stores can go on another 20 years. They have survived the Amazon asteroid hitting retail everywhere. But. How much longer can they hold on? Some sociology their team has to figure out to keep people going to the retail stores.

    As far as global warming, if Wes allows, I will refute every single one of your denier talking points, and will not let you have the last post. You know that, right? I'd rather you just say you don't care about the future and only care about the present, instead of parroting denier talking points.

    CO2 constitutes less than 1% of the atmosphere, yes, but that other 99% does not absorb infrared radiation, but CO2 does. Absorption of infrared radiation in the atmosphere is what makes the entire atmosphere hot enough to support life on the planet. That less than 1% is thusly a critical 1%, like small amounts of poison in your body is critical, or the difference between your car windows being open or closed on a hot day. Absolutely critical for atmospheric temperatures.

    The water vapor (~55%), the CO2 (~30%) and the methane (~10%) in the air serve a vital purpose, by increasing the atmospheric temps from a would-be global average of 32 °F to 55 °F. Without that 1%, the planet would be an ice world, not able to support life. Too much of it, it would make most of the planet unlivable and threatens humanity. We have dug up fossil fuels, all carbon based fuels, from the ground, burned them and released CO2 into the atmosphere. We have increased it 50% and are on track to doubling, perhaps tripling, the concentration within our children's lifetimes. The means an average increase of atmospheric temperatures of about 5 °F to 10°F, and it will keep on going up in our grandchildren's lifetimes.

    This has rather ugly consequences as people near the equator are already living at the limit of their sweat-based cooling systems. Same for all forms of life. Further increases only endanger them, agriculture, livestock etc. It will be a race between humanity engineering their agricultural plants, their livestock to survive this climate, migrating poleward, designing everything to be inside buildings, engineering everything to be productive near the poles, and the inevitable reduction in human population due to this temperature increase. Heck, we will likely be using hydrolysis to release oxygen into the atmosphere, to make up for all the dead coral reefs that release half the O2 that goes into the atmosphere.

    You are intimating that it is the sun that is causing global warming. We've been able to measure solar irradiance for the better part of 200 years now, and over the last 50 years, we've been able to measure it all over the world and in space. In space, it has been a steady 1361 +/- 0.5 W/m2 for the last 50 years. Over the last 50 years, global average temperatures have risen 1.5 °F. Solar irradiance has been at 1361 W/m2, if not a slight decrease.

    Like Wes said, in the geologic past, while CO2 concentrations have been higher, solar irradiance in the geologic past was lower. It generally balanced out to make life possible. The sun has been increasing its solar irradiance about 1% every 100m years (number may be wrong, memory isn't that good anymore). 1% in solar irradiance is a huge change. 1% 13.6 W/m2. Decadal solar cycles only change about 1 to 2 W/m2, an order of magnitude difference, and higher CO2 concentrations in the past was actually required for a planet with life. Now? We really want it to be on 30% less than where we are now. 200m years from now? We are either blocking the sun or are moving the Earth to higher orbit as an increase of 25 W/m2 will likely mean a mostly lifeless planet on the surface, and perhaps life only underground.

    From my perspective, all we are doing is changing how energy is generated. That's it. Life will be normal, as you are doing it today. All this fight, denial, misinformation to protect fossil fuel interests. Why?
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