Yes, it's so great that the EU is solidly behind the exploitation and objectivization of women.
The freedom of not being able to install the apps you want? Like when Trump was removed from all platforms, used the Parler app, and Apple banned it. Is that what you want? And now the freedom of not being able to install what you want on the phone you own.
What is next? The freedom of having a car that won't let you drive to certain shops? A fridge that won't allow beer? My appliance = my choice.
Yes, it's so great that the EU is solidly behind the exploitation and objectivization of women.
The freedom of not being able to install the apps you want? Like when Trump was removed from all platforms, used the Parler app, and Apple banned it. Is that what you want? And now the freedom of not being able to install what you want on the phone you own.
What is next? The freedom of having a car that won't let you drive to certain shops? A fridge that won't allow beer? My appliance = my choice.
You should avoid analogies, you don't understand how to make them work.
Yes, it's so great that the EU is solidly behind the exploitation and objectivization of women.
The freedom of not being able to install the apps you want? Like when Trump was removed from all platforms, used the Parler app, and Apple banned it. Is that what you want? And now the freedom of not being able to install what you want on the phone you own.
What is next? The freedom of having a car that won't let you drive to certain shops? A fridge that won't allow beer? My appliance = my choice.
Fridges are all hardware, and once you buy it you own it. You can even sell it.
Smartphones include software, and once you buy it, you don't own the software. You can't sell the software after you bought it. Software is licensed. You can sell the hardware. You can even jailbreak the hardware, and that's legal. Apple won't sue you. But you can't sell or modify the software.
I'm tired of people arguing for the last ten years that they own the software.
Yes, it's so great that the EU is solidly behind the exploitation and objectivization of women.
The freedom of not being able to install the apps you want? Like when Trump was removed from all platforms, used the Parler app, and Apple banned it. Is that what you want? And now the freedom of not being able to install what you want on the phone you own.
What is next? The freedom of having a car that won't let you drive to certain shops? A fridge that won't allow beer? My appliance = my choice.
Since the 90s pornography has been so readily available to anyone with a web browser and an internet connection that even Playboy magazine couldn’t compete.
Why do you need an app then? you have ready access to the web on the device.
You should avoid analogies, you don't understand how to make them work.
Is this the right of Apple and other companies to control what we can do with our devices - phones, tv-sets, cars,... none of them would be running without software. Should companies be in control of what we install or see or where we go due to software? Part of US is on the side of corporations while EU is on the side of individuals. I'm with blue on this one. I get that not all are.
Because porn has NEVER been used as a vector for malware.
EXACTLY. Today it’s a porn app, it won’t be very long before we see malware, ransomeware, rootkits, spyware and all the rest using these alternate stores as vectors.
That is how these things go, no rules and a wild Wild West type of environment (like Android).
Because porn has NEVER been used as a vector for malware.
Why is that relevant? Lots of non-porn apps have also been used as vectors for malware.
Apple should never have been allowed to dictate what users could or couldn't download in the App Store in the first place. That should have always been in the hands of the user.
Apple does get to choose what is available in the AppStore in the same aspect that BestBuy, Target, and other stores choose what merchandise is available.
Because porn has NEVER been used as a vector for malware.
Why is that relevant? Lots of non-porn apps have also been used as vectors for malware.
Apple should never have been allowed to dictate what users could or couldn't download in the App Store in the first place. That should have always been in the hands of the user.
Apple does get to choose what is available in the AppStore in the same aspect that BestBuy, Target, and other stores choose what merchandise is available.
Yet those stores do not forbid other stores from existing. Remember, this is platform specific, and to use your own analogy, those stores all exist on the same 'platform'.
The whole point with the changes is that stores like the AltStore can exist.
Because porn has NEVER been used as a vector for malware.
Why is that relevant? Lots of non-porn apps have also been used as vectors for malware.
Apple should never have been allowed to dictate what users could or couldn't download in the App Store in the first place. That should have always been in the hands of the user.
Apple does get to choose what is available in the AppStore in the same aspect that BestBuy, Target, and other stores choose what merchandise is available.
Yet those stores do not forbid other stores from existing. Remember, this is platform specific, and to use your own analogy, those stores all exist on the same 'platform'.
The whole point with the changes is that stores like the AltStore can exist.
The trouble with your thinking is that you think iOS is a product that Apple sells and that it's open for anyone to use and monetize. Yes, BestBuy, Target and other stores do not forbid other stores from existing but they do forbid other stores (that competes with them) from existing inside their own stores or in their parking lots or other properties that they might own. If you choose to shop at a Walmart and don't like their selection of electronics, you can't demand that Walmart allow a Best Buy to open a store in a Walmart electronics section. If you want to shop at a Best Buy, you go to a Best Buy. Walmart can not stop you or are required to pay for your transportation to get to one if the nearest one is across town.
Apple iOS is not like Android or Windows. iOS only exist on products that Apple sells. iOS is Apple IP and not a stand alone product that others can use. While anyone can build and sell devices that uses Android or Windows. With Android being free because it's Open Source and Windows requiring a license from Microsoft. There is no way to buy or license a copy of iOS and install it on a mobile device you built. Therefore, the "platform" is not iOS but mobile devices. And iPhones competes with dozens of Android mobile phones and dozens of "other (app) stores" that exist on them. And yes, the AltStore can still exist without being on iPhones. Apple do not forbid that. It's like Disney can not forbid the likes of McDonalds, In and Out and Burger King from existing. But they sure as Hell can forbid them from competing with their own food services .... inside Disneyland.
Apple is not competing with Android, with iOS. Apple is competing with Samsung, LG, Huawei, Sony, Motorola and other mobile phone makers in the mobile phone market. Where Apple only have a 21% Global market share. People do not choose to use iOS, they choose to use an iPhone. No one is forced to use an iPhone. If they don't like iOS on their iPhone, they can buy a Samsung or LG or Huawei or any of the more than a dozen of mobile phones that competes with Apple.
If Samsung want to, they can have it so that the only app store on Samsung mobile phones is the Samsung Store. They are allowed to develop a fork of Android that allows for that or develop their own proprietary OS. This would probably mean a huge loss in sales due to no Google Services. But it's still their choice to do so.
Which is what your favorite mobile device maker did. Huawei has finally ditched Android and making mobile devices that runs on their own proprietary OS. HarmonyOS NEXT. Of course since Huawei biggest market is China and China has banned Google, it's not as big a deal as for those mobile phone makers that depends on having Google Services in their mobile devices. Anything wrong with Huawei only having their own app store on their own phones that is running HarmonyOS NEXT?
And responding with but...but...but.... Apple is a "Gatekeeper" and thus not allowed to have full control of their own devices. Devices that are not a monopoly. The EU " Gatekeeper" label is based on BS criteria whose only function is to rein in the big 5 US tech.
Because porn has NEVER been used as a vector for malware.
Why is that relevant? Lots of non-porn apps have also been used as vectors for malware.
Apple should never have been allowed to dictate what users could or couldn't download in the App Store in the first place. That should have always been in the hands of the user.
Apple does get to choose what is available in the AppStore in the same aspect that BestBuy, Target, and other stores choose what merchandise is available.
Yet those stores do not forbid other stores from existing. Remember, this is platform specific, and to use your own analogy, those stores all exist on the same 'platform'.
The whole point with the changes is that stores like the AltStore can exist.
The trouble with your thinking is that you think iOS is a product that Apple sells and that it's open for anyone to use and monetize. Yes, BestBuy, Target and other stores do not forbid other stores from existing but they do forbid other stores (that competes with them) from existing inside their own stores or in their parking lots or other properties that they might own. If you choose to shop at a Walmart and don't like their selection of electronics, you can't demand that Walmart allow a Best Buy to open a store in a Walmart electronics section. If you want to shop at a Best Buy, you go to a Best Buy. Walmart can not stop you or are required to pay for your transportation to get to one if the nearest one is across town.
Apple iOS is not like Android or Windows. iOS only exist on products that Apple sells. iOS is Apple IP and not a stand alone product that others can use. While anyone can build and sell devices that uses Android or Windows. With Android being free because it's Open Source and Windows requiring a license from Microsoft. There is no way to buy or license a copy of iOS and install it on a mobile device you built. Therefore, the "platform" is not iOS but mobile devices. And iPhones competes with dozens of Android mobile phones and dozens of "other (app) stores" that exist on them. And yes, the AltStore can still exist without being on iPhones. Apple do not forbid that. It's like Disney can not forbid the likes of McDonalds, In and Out and Burger King from existing. But they sure as Hell can forbid them from competing with their own food services .... inside Disneyland.
Apple is not competing with Android, with iOS. Apple is competing with Samsung, LG, Huawei, Sony, Motorola and other mobile phone makers in the mobile phone market. Where Apple only have a 21% Global market share. People do not choose to use iOS, they choose to use an iPhone. No one is forced to use an iPhone. If they don't like iOS on their iPhone, they can buy a Samsung or LG or Huawei or any of the more than a dozen of mobile phones that competes with Apple.
If Samsung want to, they can have it so that the only app store on Samsung mobile phones is the Samsung Store. They are allowed to develop a fork of Android that allows for that or develop their own proprietary OS. This would probably mean a huge loss in sales due to no Google Services. But it's still their choice to do so.
Which is what your favorite mobile device maker did. Huawei has finally ditched Android and making mobile devices that runs on their own proprietary OS. HarmonyOS NEXT. Of course since Huawei biggest market is China and China has banned Google, it's not as big a deal as for those mobile phone makers that depends on having Google Services in their mobile devices. Anything wrong with Huawei only having their own app store on their own phones that is running HarmonyOS NEXT?
And responding with but...but...but.... Apple is a "Gatekeeper" and thus not allowed to have full control of their own devices. Devices that are not a monopoly. The EU " Gatekeeper" label is based on BS criteria whose only function is to rein in the big 5 US tech.
You begin with: "the trouble with your thinking" and end with "based on BS criteria".
Can you see a problem with that?
My thinking has a problem but your thinking (BS criteria) for some reason doesn't.
Everything in between doesn't change anything. Not one iota.
The analogy doesn't work. It never has.
Apple/iOS is a platform. Apple is a gatekeeper.
Google/Android is a platform. Google (Alphabet if you prefer) is a gatekeeper.
There is a duopoly in the market. Both companies have de-facto monopolies and abuse them. Investigations have concluded that.
There is zero room for comparison with physical retail stores.
Best Buy cannot stop you going to another store. That's right. You leave the store and just go to another.
Apple can, and does stop you from going to another store because as soon as you leave the Apple App Store there is no other store to visit. Apple forbids that. The Walled Garden, remember?
What Apple is or isn't is completely irrelevant here. It wants to play with the outside world. It needs apps. As soon as they poke a toe out of Apple land (something they have to do to ensure those apps), outside rules apply.
They don't like it? Then shut the system off from outside apps. Make it all 'first party' and make users sign off on all the other restrictions it wants to impose on users - and do it prior to the sale.
There are rules. The EU has looked at the situation and clarified things with new legislation. From there, Apple can play by the rules or pull out. And it's worth pointing out that its 'compliance' with the new legislation is still being evaluated.
Your Samsung point just hamners home the duopoly point even though alternative stores are allowed on Android (and now Apple in the EU).
The Huawei/HarmonyOS situation is, in many ways, truly an exception here.
"I don't know of any other company in the world that could have redesigned 15,000 boards in a couple of years," he said."
Let that sink in for a minute. It took one of the world's largest and most innovative companies to bring an alternative platform to market. Of course, that is an entire platform, not just an app store. A gargantuan task completely beyond some of the biggest tech companies on the planet - and that includes Apple if you factor in the time to pull it off.
The Register OpEd you link to misses much of the point and contains factual errors to boot but it's just an opinion. Check the comments - I posted there!
It is not my 'thinking' that has a problem.
The EU has been through this and has sided with 'my thinking'.
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What is next? The freedom of having a car that won't let you drive to certain shops? A fridge that won't allow beer?
My appliance = my choice.
Smartphones include software, and once you buy it, you don't own the software. You can't sell the software after you bought it. Software is licensed. You can sell the hardware. You can even jailbreak the hardware, and that's legal. Apple won't sue you. But you can't sell or modify the software.
I'm tired of people arguing for the last ten years that they own the software.
you have ready access to the web on the device.
The whole point with the changes is that stores like the AltStore can exist.
Can you see a problem with that?
My thinking has a problem but your thinking (BS criteria) for some reason doesn't.
Everything in between doesn't change anything. Not one iota.
The analogy doesn't work. It never has.
Apple/iOS is a platform. Apple is a gatekeeper.
Google/Android is a platform. Google (Alphabet if you prefer) is a gatekeeper.
There is a duopoly in the market. Both companies have de-facto monopolies and abuse them. Investigations have concluded that.
There is zero room for comparison with physical retail stores.
Best Buy cannot stop you going to another store. That's right. You leave the store and just go to another.
Apple can, and does stop you from going to another store because as soon as you leave the Apple App Store there is no other store to visit. Apple forbids that. The Walled Garden, remember?
What Apple is or isn't is completely irrelevant here. It wants to play with the outside world. It needs apps. As soon as they poke a toe out of Apple land (something they have to do to ensure those apps), outside rules apply.
They don't like it? Then shut the system off from outside apps. Make it all 'first party' and make users sign off on all the other restrictions it wants to impose on users - and do it prior to the sale.
There are rules. The EU has looked at the situation and clarified things with new legislation. From there, Apple can play by the rules or pull out. And it's worth pointing out that its 'compliance' with the new legislation is still being evaluated.
Your Samsung point just hamners home the duopoly point even though alternative stores are allowed on Android (and now Apple in the EU).
The Huawei/HarmonyOS situation is, in many ways, truly an exception here.
"I don't know of any other company in the world that could have redesigned 15,000 boards in a couple of years," he said."
https://www.lightreading.com/5g/huawei-is-starting-to-look-unstoppable
Let that sink in for a minute. It took one of the world's largest and most innovative companies to bring an alternative platform to market. Of course, that is an entire platform, not just an app store. A gargantuan task completely beyond some of the biggest tech companies on the planet - and that includes Apple if you factor in the time to pull it off.
The Register OpEd you link to misses much of the point and contains factual errors to boot but it's just an opinion. Check the comments - I posted there!
It is not my 'thinking' that has a problem.
The EU has been through this and has sided with 'my thinking'.
Maybe it's your thinking!