UK secretly orders Apple to let it spy on iPhone users worldwide

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in iPhone edited February 7

The UK government has issued an order to Apple telling it to allow officials full access to any iCloud content belonging to any user across the globe.

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During Conservative Boris Johnson's tenure as Prime Minister, the UK government claimed to be in discussions with Apple about creating a backdoor into iOS that would allow it access to all user data. If there really ever were such discussions, they will have been short because US company Apple has refused the FBI the same thing.

Now the new Labour government in the UK is demanding that Apple create this backdoor, according to The Washington Post. Under UK law, it is a criminal offense for Apple to even reveal that such a demand has been made, and so consequently the company has refused to comment.

Sources said to be familiar with the matter, however, say that the UK is demanding total access, a blanket capability to read encrypted material from any user, anywhere in the world. The demand has been served on Apple from the UK's office of the Home Secretary, and is based on a 2016 law that authorizes the government to compel companies to assist in gathering evidence.

Formally known as the UK Investigatory Powers Act of 2016, but informally called the Snoopers' Charter, the law initially had its controversial elements removed. In 2016, following objections from Apple and others, the act was passed into UK law without this provision.

The elements were reinstated in 2024 following a Parliamentary debate. Apple said at the time that the elements being discussed could allow the UK to demand worldwide access.

"These provisions could be used," said the company, "to force a company like Apple, that would never build a back door into its products, to publicly withdraw critical security features from the UK market, depriving UK users of these protections."

This means that Apple would disable end-to-end encryption for UK users rather than allow a backdoor access that could be used to spy worldwide. However, despite Apple using the phrase "publicly withdraw," UK law would actually forbid it from telling customers that it had weakened their security.

"There is no reason why the UK should have the authority to decide for citizens of the world whether they can avail themselves of the proven security benefits that flow from end-to-end encryption," said Apple in a statement.

In the same statement to Parliament, Apple also argued that the UK's proposed move would violate a European Court of Human Rights ruling.

What happens next



Following the passing of the revised act, the new demand was reportedly issued to Apple in January 2025. Apple now has the right to make an appeal to a secret technical panel, and a judge.

Significantly, however, the law does not allow Apple to delay complying with the order while the appeal is ongoing.

While Apple will not comment, a former White House security adviser has confirmed the existence of the order.

There's no question that Apple will allow the UK to force it to weaken global security, so it's most likely that UK users will lose end-to-end encryption.

That would seemingly get the UK what it wants for its own citizens, but it would deny it the global access it claims to require. Ultimately, that's probably the aim of the order, to force an end to encryption in the UK.

It's presumably likely, then, that Google will also receive such an order -- if it hasn't already.

Google spokesperson Ed Fernandez has declined to say whether the UK has issued it with such an order. He did, however, say that "Google can't access Android end-to-end encrypted backup data, even with a legal order."

The UK's Home Office has refused to comment.

"We do not comment on operational matters, including for example confirming or denying the existence of such notices," said a spokesperson.



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  • Reply 1 of 68
    Apple could also just pull out of the UK entirely, fire all their UK employees, and stop buying UK goods and services.  I know they won't, but feck all fascist governments.
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  • Reply 2 of 68
    Apple could also just pull out of the UK entirely, fire all their UK employees, and stop buying UK goods and services.  I know they won't, but feck all fascist governments.
    By that logic, they need to pull out of the USA immediately. 
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  • Reply 3 of 68
    So, the Brexit-ized, third world UK thinks they can order Apple around?
    Good luck with that, blokes.

    Isn't it about time Scotland ditched the UK and joined the civilized Scandinavian countries? There was talk of it a while back.
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  • Reply 4 of 68
    The UK government requesting something that they know that Apple has no willingness or capability to provide as most of the data is end to end encrypted.
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  • Reply 5 of 68
    Xedxed Posts: 3,028member
    Apple could also just pull out of the UK entirely, fire all their UK employees, and stop buying UK goods and services.  I know they won't, but feck all fascist governments.
    By that logic, they need to pull out of the USA immediately. 
    Because Apple is in the US that means they should prop up fascism and a police state?
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  • Reply 6 of 68
    I would pull out of the UK and pay for a smear campaign. 
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  • Reply 7 of 68
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,929member
    The UK demanding access to all iPhone users' data worldwide.   How hilarious.  Does Parliament think it's still the 19th century and we're all living under Pax Britannica?  No wonder they do stupid things like Brexit.
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  • Reply 8 of 68
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,871member
    Just say NO!
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  • Reply 9 of 68
    The part where Apple can't tell customers is the most disturbing part. What is the UK government hiding?
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  • Reply 10 of 68
    Apple could also just pull out of the UK entirely, fire all their UK employees, and stop buying UK goods and services.  I know they won't, but feck all fascist governments.
    Yes, you are right. Apple could go full blown knee-jerk reaction. Or it could apply some level of reason in how it handles the situation. 
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  • Reply 11 of 68
    seanjseanj Posts: 324member
    tundraboy said:
    we're all living under Pax Britannica...
    If we we were you can be sure that Putin and his Orcs would have been booted out of Ukraine long ago…
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  • Reply 12 of 68
    seanjseanj Posts: 324member
    So, the Brexit-ized, third world UK thinks they can order Apple around?
    Good luck with that, blokes.

    Isn't it about time Scotland ditched the UK and joined the civilized Scandinavian countries? There was talk of it a while back.
    Clueless…
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  • Reply 13 of 68

    I would pull out of the UK and pay for a smear campaign. 
    And that is why you aren't running a global company worth trillions of dollars. It requires decision making beyond that of a child. 
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  • Reply 14 of 68

    slm1972 said:
    The part where Apple can't tell customers is the most disturbing part. What is the UK government hiding?
    It is but it is in no way unique to the U.K. The U.S. does this as well. 
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  • Reply 15 of 68
    My guess is Apple will either stop offering iCloud storage in the U.K. or it will notify U.K. customers that their data will no longer be encrypted. I don't see Apple offering a backdoor. 
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  • Reply 16 of 68
    More government people who don't understand you can't have a back door to encryption without breaking the encryption.
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  • Reply 17 of 68
    Xed said:
    Apple could also just pull out of the UK entirely, fire all their UK employees, and stop buying UK goods and services.  I know they won't, but feck all fascist governments.
    By that logic, they need to pull out of the USA immediately. 
    Because Apple is in the US that means they should prop up fascism and a police state?
    Not directed at you personally, but people need to learn what fascism is. Fascism is a type of authoritarianism but not authoritarianism is fascism. 

    Fascism is a far-right system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

    The U.K. is capitalist, and we can certainly argue that this would be a stringent movement control the rest of the definition doesn't fit at all. There U.K. isn't governed by the far-right, it isn't a dictatorship, there isn't violent suppression of opposition and the list goes on. So, yeah, not fascism at all 
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  • Reply 18 of 68
    JFC_PAjfc_pa Posts: 956member

    slm1972 said:
    The part where Apple can't tell customers is the most disturbing part. What is the UK government hiding?
    It is but it is in no way unique to the U.K. The U.S. does this as well. 
    Though targeted on individuals, iirc with a warrant. Not this global fishing expedition. 
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  • Reply 19 of 68
    I have never backed up my iPhone anyway, I always start fresh when I get a new phone. 
    I guess that's the old Android me not wanting to bring over old data to a new phone that may cause issues. 
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  • Reply 20 of 68
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,028member
    This is a direct assault on Democracy, Freedom and Individual Privacy. In essence, it's a direct assault on the values that they claim to be protecting. George Orwell must be turning in his grave.
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