Don't expect cheaper iCloud storage as Apple wins another monopoly lawsuit

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Another lawsuit alleging that Apple uses its monopoly powers to force users to pay more for iCloud storage has been dismissed.

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It's now 14 years that Apple has been giving users just 5GB free iCloud storage space each, so it's surely never going to increase that without some outside pressure. The latest of many attempts to apply such pressure, though, has failed.

Following its filing in March 2024, a class action suit over the amount and cost of iCloud storage has been dismissed. According to Reuters, US District Judge Eumi Lee in San Jose, California, threw out the case -- but said the plaintiffs could file an amended version.

The original version of the suit alleged that Apple was violating antitrust laws by coercing users into using iCloud, then effectively making them pay to have adequate storage space on it. This case was a class-action one, whose plaintiffs believed they were representing at least tens of millions of iCloud users.

Judge Lee said, however, that Apple was not violating federal or state antitrust laws. Specifically, she said that users were not required to purchase iCloud storage, and that the case did not demonstrate that Apple is a monopoly.

"[If] anything, Apple's allegedly high prices would incentivize rivals to increase production to take share from Apple," said Judge Lee in her ruling.

The plaintiffs appear to have chiefly concentrated on how iCloud is used for storage, but the service has other key uses. It's behind the syncing of photos, videos, and other user data, for instance, and third-party rivals can't replace that.

Apple defending how it uses iCloud for syncing and for features such as restoring iPhones from backups. The company said that it used iCloud in this way in order to guarantee high levels of security and privacy.

Representatives for the plaintiffs in the case, Julianna Felix Gamboa et al v. Apple Inc., say that they intend to file an amended lawsuit to address the judge's criticisms.

For the moment, then, Apple has won this case, but it may resume in a revised form. Whether it does or not, though, Apple is also facing a similar case in the UK, where a consumer group wants a $4 billion payout for users.



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  • Reply 1 of 16
    ssfe11ssfe11 Posts: 128member
    Another ridiculous lawsuit presented by ambulance chasing lawyers thrown out by competent judges. I’m glad the lawyers wasted all their time and money. 
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  • Reply 2 of 16
    Judge Lee said, however, that Apple was not violating federal or state antitrust laws. Specifically, she said that users were not required to purchase iCloud storage, and that the case did not demonstrate that Apple is a monopoly.


    "[If] anything, Apple's allegedly high prices would incentivize rivals to increase production to take share from Apple," said Judge Lee in her ruling.

    The plaintiffs appear to have chiefly concentrated on how iCloud is used for storage, but the service has other key uses. It's behind the syncing of photos, videos, and other user data, for instance, and third-party rivals can't replace that.


    It seems like the Judge doesn't fully understand how Apple limits rivals' opportunity to take a share from Apple, even though she mentioned it in this quote. Other cloud storage providers simply cannot offer the same integration as iCloud does. Say if Google offered a cheaper storage solution than apple with all the same functionality I am sure many would jump to it. And to be clear Google does offer cloud storage like google drive for instance, but does that integrate with Apple devices and let your store your imessages, device backups, icloud mail etc.

    Alteratively does Apple provide an easy way to sync your ios device to a computer if I don't want to pay for iCloud. If I am in proximity to my Mac with my iPhone why can these two devices not sync between easy other automatically? 
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  • Reply 3 of 16
    bloggerblogbloggerblog Posts: 2,559member
    I pay $3 for 200GB of storage
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  • Reply 4 of 16
    harry102 said:
    Judge Lee said, however, that Apple was not violating federal or state antitrust laws. Specifically, she said that users were not required to purchase iCloud storage, and that the case did not demonstrate that Apple is a monopoly.


    "[If] anything, Apple's allegedly high prices would incentivize rivals to increase production to take share from Apple," said Judge Lee in her ruling.

    The plaintiffs appear to have chiefly concentrated on how iCloud is used for storage, but the service has other key uses. It's behind the syncing of photos, videos, and other user data, for instance, and third-party rivals can't replace that.


    It seems like the Judge doesn't fully understand how Apple limits rivals' opportunity to take a share from Apple, even though she mentioned it in this quote. Other cloud storage providers simply cannot offer the same integration as iCloud does. Say if Google offered a cheaper storage solution than apple with all the same functionality I am sure many would jump to it. And to be clear Google does offer cloud storage like google drive for instance, but does that integrate with Apple devices and let your store your imessages, device backups, icloud mail etc.

    Alteratively does Apple provide an easy way to sync your ios device to a computer if I don't want to pay for iCloud. If I am in proximity to my Mac with my iPhone why can these two devices not sync between easy other automatically? 
    It's not illegal to create, design, and price products that make it difficult for a competitor to enter your "ecosystem." At least not generally. I believe there are industries with such regulation, but it's not a general law (in the US). Unless a firm is doing something to create or maintain a monopoly, then it has a lot of leeway legally.  Thus, the judge's (correct, in my opinion) judgement that Apple is not a monopoly leads directly to this dismissal. I expect she understands a lot about the limits Apple puts on its rivals, but such limits are legal.
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  • Reply 5 of 16
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,309member
    It’s not mandatory to purchase iCloud storage. 

    And competitor services exist from Dropbox, Google, Microsoft, etc. 

    so there is zero monopoly. 

    Frivolous lawsuit. 

    Good to see Apple winning lawsuits that should not be happening to begin with. 
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  • Reply 6 of 16
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,639member
    harry102 said:
    Judge Lee said, however, that Apple was not violating federal or state antitrust laws. Specifically, she said that users were not required to purchase iCloud storage, and that the case did not demonstrate that Apple is a monopoly.


    "[If] anything, Apple's allegedly high prices would incentivize rivals to increase production to take share from Apple," said Judge Lee in her ruling.

    The plaintiffs appear to have chiefly concentrated on how iCloud is used for storage, but the service has other key uses. It's behind the syncing of photos, videos, and other user data, for instance, and third-party rivals can't replace that.


    It seems like the Judge doesn't fully understand how Apple limits rivals' opportunity to take a share from Apple, even though she mentioned it in this quote. Other cloud storage providers simply cannot offer the same integration as iCloud does. Say if Google offered a cheaper storage solution than apple with all the same functionality I am sure many would jump to it. And to be clear Google does offer cloud storage like google drive for instance, but does that integrate with Apple devices and let your store your imessages, device backups, icloud mail etc.

    Alteratively does Apple provide an easy way to sync your ios device to a computer if I don't want to pay for iCloud. If I am in proximity to my Mac with my iPhone why can these two devices not sync between easy other automatically? 

    Bottom line Apple does not force you to use iCloud. It is just a courtesy service that Apple provides, I will never understood why anyone would store their personal files pictures, video, and document files on someone else’s computer even with encryption, because outside agencies want access i.e. the British government….

    The argument that Apple is a monopoly or has Monopoly in the marketplace anywhere is ridiculous in the world of technology Apple, can’t be a monopoly unless you (make up) define a monopoly as being a monopoly of your own product (basically of yourself), but having the most profitable best product? In the general marketplace doesn’t make you a monopoly i.e. making the best sports car Porsche? or the best traditional watch Rolex? does not mean you have a monopoly in the marketplace no matter how good that product may be over many other existing products in the marketplace.
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  • Reply 7 of 16
    harry102 said:


    Alteratively does Apple provide an easy way to sync your ios device to a computer if I don't want to pay for iCloud. If I am in proximity to my Mac with my iPhone why can these two devices not sync between easy other automatically? 
    Syncing and backup have always been available via wire (first firewire then USB) since the original iPod over 23 years ago. Syncing contacts, calendars and bookmarks does not require iCloud storage. Back in the day wifi was an option for backup to a Mac but I know I stopped using it because the largeness of my backups meant inconveniently long wifi backup times.
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  • Reply 8 of 16
    It’s not mandatory to purchase iCloud storage. 

    And competitor services exist from Dropbox, Google, Microsoft, etc. 

    so there is zero monopoly. 

    Frivolous lawsuit. 

    Good to see Apple winning lawsuits that should not be happening to begin with. 
    Just means they get to keep bending you over and sticking it to you.  ROFL
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  • Reply 9 of 16
    DAalsethdaalseth Posts: 3,232member
    It’s not mandatory to purchase iCloud storage. 

    And competitor services exist from Dropbox, Google, Microsoft, etc. 
    The point being that yes you can connect your Mac or iPhone or iPad to these services, but can you set Photos to backup and share through them? I mean natively within the app. I write a lot in Pages. Can you use one of these services as the default saving location so you can share the files between devices as it is with iCloud? I don’t think it is. If it is let me know, I’d love to use some of these less expensive services, but I haven’t found a way. If you can’t then Apple is being a bit heavy handed. 

    Sure you can link to these and other cloud services, but if everything you want to do is kludgy you are limited as to how you can use them, then you really don’t have access. 
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  • Reply 10 of 16
    flydogflydog Posts: 1,145member
    Another misleading headline to attract clicks. 

    Lawsuit had nothing to do with how much Apple charges for iCloud, and even if plaintiffs had won, Apple would have zero incentive to lower iCloud storage prices. 
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  • Reply 11 of 16
    flydogflydog Posts: 1,145member

    harry102 said:

    It seems like the Judge doesn't fully understand how Apple limits rivals' opportunity to take a share from Apple, even though she mentioned it in this quote. Other cloud storage providers simply cannot offer the same integration as iCloud does. Say if Google offered a cheaper storage solution than apple with all the same functionality I am sure many would jump to it. And to be clear Google does offer cloud storage like google drive for instance, but does that integrate with Apple devices and let your store your imessages, device backups, icloud mail etc.

    Alteratively does Apple provide an easy way to sync your ios device to a computer if I don't want to pay for iCloud. If I am in proximity to my Mac with my iPhone why can these two devices not sync between easy other automatically? 
    The fact that you may prefer iCloud because it's better than the alternatives doesn't mean you are forced to buy it. 

    And you can in fact backup your entire iPhone or iPad to any computer without purchasing iCloud. 
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  • Reply 12 of 16
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,956member
    I’m at a loss to recall a case where Apple reduced the price of a product due to price competition from one or more competitors. I could be wrong.  

    I have always seen less expensive personal computers, smartphones, tablets, monitors, smart watches, etc., on the market competing against Apple for customers by undercutting Apple’s prices. 

    Apple’s revenue and market value seem to have held up quite well in spite of an onslaught of other vendors trying to compete against Apple by leveraging lower prices. 
    edited March 5
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  • Reply 13 of 16
    davidwdavidw Posts: 2,148member
    DAalseth said:
    It’s not mandatory to purchase iCloud storage. 

    And competitor services exist from Dropbox, Google, Microsoft, etc. 
    The point being that yes you can connect your Mac or iPhone or iPad to these services, but can you set Photos to backup and share through them? I mean natively within the app. I write a lot in Pages. Can you use one of these services as the default saving location so you can share the files between devices as it is with iCloud? I don’t think it is. If it is let me know, I’d love to use some of these less expensive services, but I haven’t found a way. If you can’t then Apple is being a bit heavy handed. 

    Sure you can link to these and other cloud services, but if everything you want to do is kludgy you are limited as to how you can use them, then you really don’t have access. 

    The thing is that Photos (on iOS), Pages and others are Apple free software. Of course they're highly integrated with their iCloud. If you want to use Google Drive or Microsoft One Drive to easily save your data and save on cost, then use their free software. Nothing is stopping you from using Google and Microsoft software, in order to easily save your data on their cloud services. Apple do not have to make their free software easy to use with Google Drive or Microsoft One drive. You don't think Microsoft One Drive is more easy to use with Microsoft software than with Apple or Google software? So long as Apple do not prevent their users from using Google and Microsoft software or prevent Google and Microsoft from using their own cloud services on their software (that runs on Apple devices), Apple is not doing anything wrong or illegal.


    You think its Google that makes it easy to transfer your data from an Android phone to an iPhone? No, Google makes it easy to transfer your data from an iPhone to an Android phone. Apple and Google have no interest in providing free software, that makes it easy to switch to a competitors devices.  I'm sure that if you use Google Doc, you can just as easily save your data on Google Cloud, as you could saving your Pages data in the iCloud. And this also goes for Microsoft software being more highly integrates with their own cloud services. 

    There's a reason why iCloud storage is more expensive than that of Google, Amazon and Microsoft. Apple lease cloud storage from Google and Amazon. Apple have no where near the cloud storage capacity that Google, Amazon and Microsoft has. What cloud servers Apple has is mainly for their own internal business like iTunes Store, App Store, pushing software upgrades and updates on their devices, music and movie streaming, etc. and it's still not enough. Apple rely on Google and Amazon for their customers iCloud storage. No way Apple can compete with Google, Amazon and Microsoft when it comes to profiting from charging for cloud storage.




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  • Reply 14 of 16
    danox said:
    harry102 said:
    Judge Lee said, however, that Apple was not violating federal or state antitrust laws. Specifically, she said that users were not required to purchase iCloud storage, and that the case did not demonstrate that Apple is a monopoly.


    "[If] anything, Apple's allegedly high prices would incentivize rivals to increase production to take share from Apple," said Judge Lee in her ruling.

    The plaintiffs appear to have chiefly concentrated on how iCloud is used for storage, but the service has other key uses. It's behind the syncing of photos, videos, and other user data, for instance, and third-party rivals can't replace that.


    It seems like the Judge doesn't fully understand how Apple limits rivals' opportunity to take a share from Apple, even though she mentioned it in this quote. Other cloud storage providers simply cannot offer the same integration as iCloud does. Say if Google offered a cheaper storage solution than apple with all the same functionality I am sure many would jump to it. And to be clear Google does offer cloud storage like google drive for instance, but does that integrate with Apple devices and let your store your imessages, device backups, icloud mail etc.

    Alteratively does Apple provide an easy way to sync your ios device to a computer if I don't want to pay for iCloud. If I am in proximity to my Mac with my iPhone why can these two devices not sync between easy other automatically? 

    Bottom line Apple does not force you to use iCloud. It is just a courtesy service that Apple provides, I will never understood why anyone would store their personal files pictures, video, and document files on someone else’s computer even with encryption, because outside agencies want access i.e. the British government….

    The argument that Apple is a monopoly or has Monopoly in the marketplace anywhere is ridiculous in the world of technology Apple, can’t be a monopoly unless you (make up) define a monopoly as being a monopoly of your own product (basically of yourself), but having the most profitable best product? In the general marketplace doesn’t make you a monopoly i.e. making the best sports car Porsche? or the best traditional watch Rolex? does not mean you have a monopoly in the marketplace no matter how good that product may be over many other existing products in the marketplace.

    I don't fully understand your argument. You are comparing Apple's walled garden to a car manufacturer. Lets instead compare Apple to another more relevant company like Microsoft. They both own operating platforms and have control over them, Windows and IOS for instance. Now if you imagine windows had a windows+ subscription that let you do everything that iCloud does, backup your computer, images, notes etc - and simultaneously blocked third-party alternatives for things like system backups from offering similar functionality regulators would cry foul. Thankfully you can of course install other options on Windows to have this functionality, without paying microsoft anything. However, on Apple devices, they don't let you charge on their apps through ios without letting Apple take a cut of it. Futhermore in these alternative apps you can't point to or link to payment options outside of the appstore. I don't see how this can't be viewed as anti-competitive. 
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  • Reply 15 of 16
    CheeseFreezecheesefreeze Posts: 1,392member
    It sure is a monopoly.

    - where is the option to change the “default cloud provider”?

    - why is there no option to export or migrate my entire iCloud Photo Library with all metadata intact? Right now Apple exposes no APIs so external providers have to ‘scrape’ my photo library which is slow, loses essential data and is not a true solution to the problem. Basically they make you addicted and keep you addicted. 

    What Apple does is force me to use iCloud because it’s directly tied in to core operating system level functionality, including the storage of passwords and apps. This is cutting out competition from Box, Dropbox and others.

    To me the argument that was brought forward to the judge was weak. They should reconsider their strategy and sue again. At the very least, Europe should act and force Apple to change, similar to allowing for third party stores, which - no surprise! - hasn’t lead to noteworthy security issues. That’s just Apple propaganda.

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  • Reply 16 of 16
    The cost of iCloud seems very reasonable to me, bearing in mind what has been constructed to provide that service.
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