US launches semiconductor probe to explain away tariff exemptions

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To somehow support claims that the tariff exemption is not an exemption at all, the White House has announced an investigation into the entire semiconductor market segment.

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The White House is investigating semiconductors ahead of introducing tariffs on them



On April 2, 2025, Trump announced his "Liberation Day" slew of tariffs for which there would be no exemptions. On April 9, he granted Apple an exemption.

But following the worldwide recognition that this was an exemption, over the weekend of April 10 and 11, Trump proclaimed that it was nothing of the sort. He said "there was no Tariff 'exception'... they are just moving to a different Tariff 'bucket'," as if it were all part of the plan.

At the same time, Trump did also promise to launch a national security trade investigation into the "whole electronics supply chain." Now according to CNBC, the White House has announced exactly that.

Except it hasn't, not exactly. The announcement is in a document on the Federal Register that can be read, but officially will not be published until April 16. In it, the White House claims that:

On April 1, 2025, the Secretary of Commerce initiated an investigation under section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act (19 U.S.C. 1862) to determine the effects on national security of imports of semiconductors, semiconductor manufacturing equipment, and their derivative products. This includes, among other things, semiconductor substrates and bare wafers, legacy chips, leading-edge chips, microelectronics, and SME components.



It's not clear why an investigation begun on April 1 would not be announced until April 15, and not officially enacted until April 16. Nor how it can have been started before the "reciprocal" tariffs were announced, but then itself be announced after the tariffs were reversed with the Apple exemption.

Nor is it clear why technology firms were hit with the "reciprocal" tariffs if it were already planned that they would come under the different "bucket" of semiconductor tariffs.

Nonetheless, the filing is very clear that the government is seeking submissions from interested parties. They must submit comments "no later than [INSERT DATE 21 DAYS AFTER DATE OF PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER]."

The investigation wants to determine the current and projected semiconductor demand in the US, plus to what degree local production can meet that. The filing then has some vaguely-worded clauses about "the role of foreign fabrication... in meeting US demand," and the "concentration of United States imports... and the associated risks."

There are many other issues listed in the filing, but they all come down to what the US needs and what the US can make itself.

But the key part is number 9 in a series of 14 points. It says the investigation concerns "the impact of current trade and other policies on domestic semiconductor and SME production and capacity, and whether additional measures, including tariffs or quotas, are necessary to protect national security."

It's wrong to assume the outcome of any investigation, but in "21 DAYS AFTER DATE OF PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER," technology businesses can expect tariffs and perhaps quotas. That's not an educated guess: commerce secretary Howard Lutnick has already prejudged the investigation and said that semiconductor tariffs will be coming.

Maybe it's necessary, maybe there are security risks. And so nothing deters foreign spies like making US businesses and consumers pay more for the privilege of being spied on.

Note that Lutnick said the semiconductor tariffs would be "coming in probably a month or two." Trump has now said they would come next week, according to BBC News.

April 1, April 16, next week, a month or two, no exemptions, Apple exemptions, again no exemptions, there is no plan to this. Which means despite the markets rising at the news of Apple exemptions, they are going to continue to be volatile for at least weeks longer.

And, regardless, the 10% tariffs to somehow stop the fentanyl trade are still in place for these goods. This is still more than was being applied before the first shot was fired in the trade war almost two weeks ago.



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  • Reply 1 of 15
    heinzelheinzel Posts: 124member
    Stop making so much sense!  :D
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  • Reply 2 of 15
    DAalsethdaalseth Posts: 3,267member
    Theodore Roosevelt famously said “Walk softly and carry a big stick”. Trump only knows the stick. He only knows how to threaten and bully. 

    Remember when you were a kid, how there was that one other kid that nobody wanted to play with because they always hit? Trump is that kid. He doesn’t ever use diplomacy. He doesn’t try to negotiate. It’s always do this Or Else. He and the US are going to find that a lot of companies are going to choose the Or Else and walk away. The US is going to go from having the semiconductors it needs for home, industry, and defence, albeit some from questionable sources, to a lot of those simply not being available. While the CHIPS act was making progress on bringing semiconductor manufacturing to US shores, that is in the process of being killed. These threats on the other hand will have the opposite effect. More companies, prodded by these tactics, and governments around the world that don’t have the US’s best interests at heart, will be walking away. 

    The US is no longer in a position to bully and threaten the world. The world has grown and the US is now only a part of it. Trying to demand things from the rest of the world, use tariffs, and threats to get what it wants, will not work, and will backfire making the US poorer, more alone, and weaker. They put the US at a great disadvantage compared to the rest of the world. They also will make countries like China stronger and more trusted as they prove to be the more reliable partner. 
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  • Reply 3 of 15
    hmlongcohmlongco Posts: 624member
    As has become increasingly evident, the world is growing less and less tolerant of bullies.

    The was an old internet adage that said that it had a tendency to reroute around damage. I suspect that the world is now trying to figure out how to reroute around the United States.
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  • Reply 4 of 15
    The Trump administration tries to claim everything is an emergency or national security related. But they never like to provide any evidence of either claim. 
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  • Reply 5 of 15
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,361member
    Or, you know, the probe is for what they say it’s for. 
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  • Reply 6 of 15
    DAalsethdaalseth Posts: 3,267member
    Or, you know, the probe is for what they say it’s for. 
    It would be nice to think that but from the article:
    It's wrong to assume the outcome of any investigation, but in "21 DAYS AFTER DATE OF PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER," technology businesses can expect tariffs and perhaps quotas. That's not an educated guess: commerce secretary Howard Lutnick has already prejudged the investigation and said that semiconductor tariffs will be coming.
    They have already decided on the outcome and response. This is just a show to make it look like they are going through a proper process, to give them a fig leaf to excuse what they are already planning on doing. 

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  • Reply 7 of 15
    mfrydmfryd Posts: 249member
    The Trump administration tries to claim everything is an emergency or national security related. But they never like to provide any evidence of either claim. 
    The Trump administration asserts various "emergencies" as a justification for violating the law and the US Constitution.   It is normal for the population to look the other way at these sorts of things when they like the direction the administration is taking. A big issue i that by looking the other way when you like what's happening, you lose the ability to do anything if you don't like the direction the government is taking.


    The only thing that's new is the magnitude of what's going on.  Previous administrations have never violated the law in such an egregious fashion on so many controversial issues.  But then, this is what America wanted.  After all we did elect a convicted felon. 


    A good example of previous violations is the US highway system.  The US Constitution envisions a lean and mean federal government.  The Constitution enumerates the few things the Federal government is responsible for, and explicitly reserves everything else to the states.  There is nothing in the Constitution giving the Feds the responsibility or authority to create a national highway system.   At one point the government tried to justify it as being for national defense, but that's no longer applicable.  The US military can deploy via air to anywhere in the world.  Trying to do a domestic deployment by road would only slow things down.  We don't have roads to Afghanistan, Iraq, etc., yet we were able to wage war there.

    Now, I am not suggesting that it's a bad idea to have a national highway system.  Personally, I think it's a good thing.  My point is that it is contrary to the Constitution, but the majority of Americans are in favor of it, so we tend to look the other way.  
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  • Reply 8 of 15
    mfryd said:
    The Trump administration tries to claim everything is an emergency or national security related. But they never like to provide any evidence of either claim. 
    The Trump administration asserts various "emergencies" as a justification for violating the law and the US Constitution.   It is normal for the population to look the other way at these sorts of things when they like the direction the administration is taking. A big issue i that by looking the other way when you like what's happening, you lose the ability to do anything if you don't like the direction the government is taking.


    The only thing that's new is the magnitude of what's going on.  Previous administrations have never violated the law in such an egregious fashion on so many controversial issues.  But then, this is what America wanted.  After all we did elect a convicted felon. 


    A good example of previous violations is the US highway system.  The US Constitution envisions a lean and mean federal government.  The Constitution enumerates the few things the Federal government is responsible for, and explicitly reserves everything else to the states.  There is nothing in the Constitution giving the Feds the responsibility or authority to create a national highway system.   At one point the government tried to justify it as being for national defense, but that's no longer applicable.  The US military can deploy via air to anywhere in the world.  Trying to do a domestic deployment by road would only slow things down.  We don't have roads to Afghanistan, Iraq, etc., yet we were able to wage war there.

    Now, I am not suggesting that it's a bad idea to have a national highway system.  Personally, I think it's a good thing.  My point is that it is contrary to the Constitution, but the majority of Americans are in favor of it, so we tend to look the other way.  
    Someone needs to re-read the Commerce Clause. The Founding Fathers, contrary to the ahistorical assertions of conservatives, envisioned the Constitution as a living document rather than being frozen in amber as if the US would perpetually be the nation of farmers and shopkeepers that it was three centuries ago.

    After re-reading the CC, I suggest you familiarize yourself with what it was like to travel by motorized vehicles for long, interstate travel before the advent of the freeway system.

    The Roman Empire as history knows it would not have existed without a comprehensive road system, read up on that as well. A comprehensive system of roads connecting the entirety of its interior would indeed be critical to defense of US territory in the event of invasion. That such a crisis is extraordinarily unlikely today*, 70 some years after the inception of the interstate highway system, does not change that simple fact.


    *on the other hand... the US spearheaded a push to go to war against a sovereign nation in order to depose the despotic dictator of a sovereign nation that the former alleged was an imminently dangerous peril to international peace,  and obtained UN blessing for it...
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  • Reply 9 of 15
    Cover for their whiplash policies. You've imposed draconian measures, economic pugilism, by whim. Now you want to study the impact? Isn't this late, and backwards?

    Imagine that you're in a war and you're on the battle field and not happy with how things are going. You decide that the way to turn this around is attack your supply lines. And then turn on your allies. And start deporting people from your army. This guy is a toddler with an undeveloped brain cosplaying as a dictator.
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  • Reply 10 of 15
    mfrydmfryd Posts: 249member
    mfryd said:
    The Trump administration tries to claim everything is an emergency or national security related. But they never like to provide any evidence of either claim. 
    The Trump administration asserts various "emergencies" as a justification for violating the law and the US Constitution.   It is normal for the population to look the other way at these sorts of things when they like the direction the administration is taking. A big issue i that by looking the other way when you like what's happening, you lose the ability to do anything if you don't like the direction the government is taking.


    The only thing that's new is the magnitude of what's going on.  Previous administrations have never violated the law in such an egregious fashion on so many controversial issues.  But then, this is what America wanted.  After all we did elect a convicted felon. 


    A good example of previous violations is the US highway system.  The US Constitution envisions a lean and mean federal government.  The Constitution enumerates the few things the Federal government is responsible for, and explicitly reserves everything else to the states.  There is nothing in the Constitution giving the Feds the responsibility or authority to create a national highway system.   At one point the government tried to justify it as being for national defense, but that's no longer applicable.  The US military can deploy via air to anywhere in the world.  Trying to do a domestic deployment by road would only slow things down.  We don't have roads to Afghanistan, Iraq, etc., yet we were able to wage war there.

    Now, I am not suggesting that it's a bad idea to have a national highway system.  Personally, I think it's a good thing.  My point is that it is contrary to the Constitution, but the majority of Americans are in favor of it, so we tend to look the other way.  
    Someone needs to re-read the Commerce Clause. The Founding Fathers, contrary to the ahistorical assertions of conservatives, envisioned the Constitution as a living document rather than being frozen in amber as if the US would perpetually be the nation of farmers and shopkeepers that it was three centuries ago.

    After re-reading the CC, I suggest you familiarize yourself with what it was like to travel by motorized vehicles for long, interstate travel before the advent of the freeway system.

    The Roman Empire as history knows it would not have existed without a comprehensive road system, read up on that as well. A comprehensive system of roads connecting the entirety of its interior would indeed be critical to defense of US territory in the event of invasion. That such a crisis is extraordinarily unlikely today*, 70 some years after the inception of the interstate highway system, does not change that simple fact.


    *on the other hand... the US spearheaded a push to go to war against a sovereign nation in order to depose the despotic dictator of a sovereign nation that the former alleged was an imminently dangerous peril to international peace,  and obtained UN blessing for it...
    Yes, the founders intended the Constitution to be a living document.  That's why we have a process for, and a history of, amendments.   I don't think they intended that we should simply ignore parts of the Constitution that are not popular.  The early United States was like the current European Union.  A collection of independent states/countries, joining together for a few, explicitly enumerate, purposes.  The goal was a small Federal government and strong state's rights.

    The tenth amendment explicitly states that powers not specifically granted to the federal government by the Constitution are reserved for the states.   This tells us that the Federal Government does not have power over everything, and that something must be reserved to the states.

    Yes, the commerce clause allows the Feds to regulate interstate commerce.    While roads are helpful to commerce, they are not, in themselves, commerce.   

    One can make the argument that just about anything can be tied to interstate commerce, and therefore the Feds have authority over everything.  The tenth amendment makes it clear that this interpretation is wrong.   

    Consider the situation where someone wants to grow marijuana in their backyard for personal consumption.  This clearly has nothing to do with interstate commerce.  Yet, the Feds claim that they have the authority to regulate this, as the grower might change their mind, and sell the marijuana to someone in another state.   By this interpretation the commerce clause would cover everything, as anything can lead to interstate commerce.  That interpretation violates the tenth amendment.

    Now we can have a discussion on whether Federal regulation of marijuana is good or bad, but that's a separate discussion from whether or not the Constitution allows the Feds to regulate it.

    Similarly, during the 1970s energy crisis, the Feds instituted a nationwide speed limit of 55 mph.  Whether or not this was good or bad, the Constitution clearly does not give the Feds the authority to regulate speed limits on state and local roads.  However, the country turned a blind eye to the Constitutional issues as we were in a gasoline crisis.  The shortage was so bad that many areas had to resort to even/odd gas rationing (if your license plate was an odd number you could only buy gas on odd numbered days).


    Keep in mind, that when President Eisenhower created the "The Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways", he understood that the commerce clause didn't give him the authority.  His claim was that it was for national defense (A responsibility which is delegated to the Feds).  Therefore, the highway system is designed to allow for the movement of tanks.   However, the realities of the modern world make this concept obsolete.  Today in times of conflict,  we transport troops and gear by plane, not land.

    One can make a very reasonable case that a national highway system is a good thing, and helpful to interstate commerce.  However, that is a separate discussion from whether the Feds have the Constitutional authority to create such a system.   
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  • Reply 11 of 15
    hmlongco said:
    As has become increasingly evident, the world is growing less and less tolerant of bullies.

    The was an old internet adage that said that it had a tendency to reroute around damage. I suspect that the world is now trying to figure out how to reroute around the United States.
    Not just an adage. It's built into the protocol for routers. It's literally what they do. Good metaphor, but sadly, because of contracts and trade policies and human memory of reliability, however, the damage from the trade war (tantrum) will leave some lasting marks.
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  • Reply 12 of 15
    mfrydmfryd Posts: 249member
    hmlongco said:
    As has become increasingly evident, the world is growing less and less tolerant of bullies.

    The was an old internet adage that said that it had a tendency to reroute around damage. I suspect that the world is now trying to figure out how to reroute around the United States.
    Not just an adage. It's built into the protocol for routers. It's literally what they do. Good metaphor, but sadly, because of contracts and trade policies and human memory of reliability, however, the damage from the trade war (tantrum) will leave some lasting marks.
    Yes, there will be some long term damage.

    We are working hard at convincing the world that the USA is not to be trusted.  We feel free to unilaterally break agreements.  Therefore they is no advantage to negotiating agreements with the USA as you can't rely on us to hold up our end of the bargain.

    We are working very hard to encourage the rest of the world to reduce their reliance on trade with the USA.  This means that they will be less likely to buy things we are good at making, and they will be less likely to sell us things that they can make for less than we do.

    We are working very hard to create an environment that discourages investment in US manufacturing.  It takes a huge long term investment to build a modern manufacturing plant.  Who in their right mind would want to build one in a country where you don't know what the rules will be next year, next month, next week, or even this afternoon?

    Modern factories require workers skilled in the building and maintenance of complicated precision machinery.  That requires a significant investment in education.  We are in the process of disbanding the Dept. of Education.  If we build factories we would need foreign trained workers.  That's not happening under our current policy of arbitrarily deporting non-citizens who are legally in the USA.

    We are working very hard at convincing the smartest and brightest of scientists to move their research to countries outside the USA.  Most likely China or Russia as they have the most money available for research.   If you are a scientist in the USA, and long term research funding can be cutoff anytime, seemingly without reason.  Thus destroying years of hard work and research.  If you are a non US citizen, you can be sent home without warning, even if you are here legally, and have all your proper paperwork.  One of the things that made America great was that we had the best scientist and led the world in research.  That gave us a technological lead over the rest o the world.  We are giving that lead to China and Russia.

    We are working very hard at convincing the best and brightest students in the world that they should not study in, and then stay in America.  Why would you choose to go to a US school knowing that you could be deported at any time?  Why would you choose to use your skills to benefit America when they might cut your funding and kick you out at any time?

    Keep in mind that we won World War II, and were able to land man on the moon,  because the best and brightest scientists left Germany and came to America.   Now Trump is encouraging them to go to China and Russia.   Let that sink in for a moment.  

    Are Trump's policies really what's best for America in the long term?
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  • Reply 13 of 15
    hmlongcohmlongco Posts: 624member
    mfryd said:
    The Trump administration tries to claim everything is an emergency or national security related. But they never like to provide any evidence of either claim. 
    The Trump administration asserts various "emergencies" as a justification for violating the law and the US Constitution.   
    Congress delegated to the executive the ability to impose tariffs (taxes) as needed during national emergencies. So Donald quite literally has to trump up "emergencies" in order to do everything that he's doing.

    Congress could simply decide to take back that authority, but no one in Congress has the backbone to stand up to Trump.
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  • Reply 14 of 15
    mfrydmfryd Posts: 249member
    hmlongco said:
    mfryd said:
    The Trump administration tries to claim everything is an emergency or national security related. But they never like to provide any evidence of either claim. 
    The Trump administration asserts various "emergencies" as a justification for violating the law and the US Constitution.   
    Congress delegated to the executive the ability to impose tariffs (taxes) as needed during national emergencies. So Donald quite literally has to trump up "emergencies" in order to do everything that he's doing.

    Congress could simply decide to take back that authority, but no one in Congress has the backbone to stand up to Trump.
    It's not a simple topic.  The Constitution gives control of tariffs to Congress.  The nondelegation doctorine tells us that Congress can't delegate that control to the executive branch.  Recently, the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) stuck down the "Chevron" decision.  This placed further limits on what Congress can delegate. 

    Trump claims that he has the authority to impose/modify tariffs under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (IEEPA).  However, that act does not mention tariffs, and does not appear to give the President authority to impose or modify tariffs.   Even if it did, he would only have such authority under a national emergency.   Reasonable people can question whether a trade imbalance is a qualifying "emergency", or even an emergency of any sort.  In fact, most economists believe that a trade deficit isn't even a problem.

    In his first term, Trump claimed tariff authority under a different law.  However, that law has more requirements as to how an emergency must be justified.  Apparently, the Trump administration didn't believe it could meet that standard.

    For those that are actually interested in the underlying legal issues there's a good YouTube discussion at 
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtJ-uUzXupI 

    A big challenge is that even if the courts find that Trump's policies are illegal, there is not much they can do about it.  The courts do not have the ability to enforce their orders.  That's left to the US Marshall Service.  The Marshalls are under the executive branch, which is headed by Trump.  Furthermore, SCOTUS recently determined that the President is essentially immune from criminal prosecution.  The President can issue Federal pardons to anyone he wants.  Thus the courts are powerless against Trump and his policies.

    It really is a scary time for America.  It should also be a scary time for Trump supporters.  Many people think Trump can do no wrong, so it's OK for the President to have essentially unlimited, King-like powers.  Trump is old and may not live long enough to serve many more terms.  The next guy may not be someone who you agree with It would be nice if the traditional checks and balances were in place, so they can keep the next guy in check.
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  • Reply 15 of 15
    Shoot first, ask questions later.  Questions like "does shooting yourself in the foot hurt?"
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