Apple's Eddy Cue is guessing that the iPhone will eventually be replaced by AI

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During court testimony over Apple's search deal with Google, Apple executive Eddy Cue threw in a curveball, basically saying we shouldn't assume there will be an iPhone 30 someday.

Eddy Cue sitting in a red chair, wearing a dark shirt, speaking with expressive hand gestures against a blue background.
Apple SVP of Services Eddy Cue. Photo credit: Re/Code



One strongly possible outcome of the Department of Justice's antitrust case against Google is that it may be forced to stop paying Apple to be the default search engine on iOS. That would mean Apple losing out on around $20 billion a year, so naturally the firm's senior vice president of services, Eddy Cue, is keen to keep the deal.

But in testimony that intended to reveal Apple is anyway looking into offering search via AI services, Cue also gave Apple's first-ever mention of a day when iPhones could be no more.

"You may not need an iPhone 10 years from now as crazy as it sounds," Cue said, as first spotted by Bloomberg. "The only way you truly have true competition is when you have technology shifts."

"Technology shifts create these opportunities," he continued. "AI is a new technology shift, and it's creating new opportunities for new entrants."

That second part of the quote is normal stuff from a man who also says he doesn't see how regular search won't now be replaced by AI. But it's the first part that's a bit more unexpected.

There does have to be a limit, there does have to be an end. We're surely not going to ever be hearing rumors of the iPhone 118 in a century's time, but it's still unusual for Apple to say it.

It's not, though, unusual for Apple to do something about it. For instance, you might not be able to pin down the day that the iPod started and stopped being ubiquitous and global, but you know it happened.

You also know that this world-dominating music player was destroyed in a flash, not by a rival, but by its own creator. Apple made the iPod, and Apple took it away.

In its time, the iPod was as commonplace a sight as the iPhone is now. But today, it is totally absent from the world, minus some enthusiasts keeping it alive with flash memory and so forth.

The iPod is effectively gone, the iPhone will go the same route. It's just a question of time, but you'd have bet it would be longer than another decade.

Unless the whole of Apple is just waiting for Tim Cook to announce his retirement before they ditch the iPhone and replace it with an AI-powered Apple Car.



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  • Reply 1 of 37
    DAalsethdaalseth Posts: 3,293member
    Unless the whole of Apple is just waiting for Tim Cook to announce his retirement before they ditch the iPhone and replace it with an AI-powered Apple Car.
    LOL great burn…
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  • Reply 2 of 37
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,439member
    No thanks. 

    In such a situation, Whoever controls the Ai controls your life in that case. 

    I’ll do it the Neanderthal way and let everyone else hand the keys to a government or company. 
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  • Reply 3 of 37
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,776member
    The iPhone is importantly different from the iPod in the sense that the iPhone is a multi-purpose platform for running software while the iPod was a single purpose device for playing music. In that sense, the iPhone is more similar to the Mac than it is to the iPod. Forty years after the introduction of the Mac, Apple still sells something that people call and recognize as a "Mac" (even though in many ways, especially under the hood, it's a very different product). 

    Will there ever come a time when people no longer want a mobile general purpose computing device with a touchscreen? Maybe, but there would still need to be some kind of device to serve as the interface to AI. Maybe he's thinking the iPhone will be replaced by a combo of Apple Glasses and AI?
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  • Reply 4 of 37
    Whizvillewhizville Posts: 4member
    What the author of this article seems to gloss over that the iPod was discontinued because the iPhone did everything and iPod does and more.  When consumers figured that out they stopped buying iPods. There was no market for it anymore, so it was discontinued. But the iPod totally exists still today. It’s called an iPhone or an iPad.  Maybe in the future a new device will have all the features of an iPhone and more and people will stop buying iPhones and start buying the next thing. Will it be AI powered?  Most certainly.  Will it be something you carry around?  Probably.   The important thing is that these are just devices.  Unless we have Wi-Fi and cellular chips and software installed in our brains and we walked around ourselves as a device, we’re always going to need/want something personal that we carry around with us to log in and connect with other people. What that device is and what it’s called is irrelevant.  Technology and innovation will drive new markets which is essentially with Eddie Que said.  It has never been the other way around.  But humans are physical creatures that like to have physical things.  So I suspect there will always be some kind of a thing that we carry around with us.  at least in my lifetime, that thing will be called an iPhone.  My parents called there devices a telephone and a phonebook.  Maybe in the future it’ll be called a neural hairnet and implant and we each have our own personal and virtual AI assistant that is on voice command.  Boy I love to be alive for that. Darn. 
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  • Reply 5 of 37
    avidthinkeravidthinker Posts: 101member
    Bring on the chip implants!

    Would be much more comfortable with implanting an Apple Silicon chip vs. a Neuralink.
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  • Reply 6 of 37
    DAalsethdaalseth Posts: 3,293member
    No thanks. 

    In such a situation, Whoever controls the Ai controls your life in that case. 

    I’ll do it the Neanderthal way and let everyone else hand the keys to a government or company. 
    This is what I tell people about AI Summaries. They are letting the AI (I.e. whomever programmed the AI) censor what they read. 
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  • Reply 7 of 37
    inklinginkling Posts: 781member
    Apple's Eddy Cue is guessing that the iPhone will eventually be replaced by AI


    Did Eddie Cue miss his medications that day? The only way AI will replace phones, including iPhones, is if we all quit talking to one another and spend our time conversing with AI bots. I doubt that will happen, and I wonder about the sanity much less good sense of those who claim otherwise.



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  • Reply 8 of 37
    inklinginkling Posts: 781member

    Whizville said:
    What the author of this article seems to gloss over that the iPod was discontinued because the iPhone did everything and iPod does and more. 
    That's exactly my experience. I quit buying iPods when I realized that I could get a used iPhone that did everything an iPod did and more for less money.
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  • Reply 9 of 37
    inkling said:
    Apple's Eddy Cue is guessing that the iPhone will eventually be replaced by AI


    Did Eddie Cue miss his medications that day? The only way AI will replace phones, including iPhones, is if we all quit talking to one another and spend our time conversing with AI bots. I doubt that will happen, and I wonder about the sanity much less good sense of those who claim otherwise.



    Read what he actually said rather than what this article posits:
    "You may not need an iPhone 10 years from now as crazy as it sounds," Cue said, as first spotted by Bloomberg. "The only way you truly have true competition is when you have technology shifts."

    "Technology shifts create these opportunities," he continued. "AI is a new technology shift, and it's creating new opportunities for new entrants."

    He's not saying "AI will replace phones."  He's saying that tech is changing fast, so who knows what we'll be using a decade from now. Generative AI is just an example of technology that seemingly came out of nowhere and is very disruptive.
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  • Reply 10 of 37
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,433member
    This isn't Eddy Cue at WWDC announcing the end of the iPhone. It's not Cue anywhere announcing the end of the iPhone. It's Cue testifying in court, making the accurate observation that new, paradigm-shifting technologies emerge, and those shifting paradigms can mean that something currently ubiquitous will no longer be ubiquitous at some point in the future. This leads to a speculative example that AI technology could mean there's no new iPhone at some point in the future. 

    Kids graduating high school now were born before the iPhone existed. Kids who graduated high school when the iPhone was first released were born at time when AOL for DOS was just coming out, and CDs were the existential threat to vinyl records. So many of these things last just long enough for people to convince themselves that they've always been here and always will be. Next thing you know, ubiquity becomes old hat, and your custom-built entertainment center is completely mismatched with the now-ubiquitous technology that's perched awkwardly on top of the prior tech that's old enough to be obsolete, but not yet old enough to ironic retro.
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  • Reply 11 of 37
    inkling said:
    Apple's Eddy Cue is guessing that the iPhone will eventually be replaced by AI


    Did Eddie Cue miss his medications that day? The only way AI will replace phones, including iPhones, is if we all quit talking to one another and spend our time conversing with AI bots. I doubt that will happen, and I wonder about the sanity much less good sense of those who claim otherwise.



    Nobody knew how iPhone would work until it came out becasue people could not imagine a world with iPhones. People thought Nokia will sell their phones forever. 
    Yes.. Lack of imagination. 
    We think that nothing can replace iPhones. But but but.... 

    Recently, Tim Cook has made poor choices and decisions like listening to Luca, timid spending for chips, lack of LLM studies, their incompetent Siri, AppStore policy etc.

    I would not be surprised if Apple is facing a "Nokia moment" right now. Apple can still be a big player with war chest in the future, but it is up to Apple.

    Apple can´t afford to protect their reputation by their legacy. Kodak went down, because Kodak was too proud of what Kodak achieved. They did not innovate and disrupt to protect their legacy.

    This is the same case for Apple.

    And Apple may not make a silly decision from now on in this survival game.

    Tim Cook still has excellent experts. He just needs to listen to them. Without Phil Schiller and Eddie Cue, Apple would not be where Apple is today.


    This is a clickbait, but Eddie Cue says that iPhone usage may not be as crazy as now. And AI makes people less dependent on phones and wearables.

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  • Reply 12 of 37
    hmlongcohmlongco Posts: 629member
    People use phones to read, play games, watch videos, take photos and videos, and more. 

    Until there's a replacement for the screen, the iPhone will still be around.

    And for those looking forward to implants, may I direct you to S07E01 of Black Mirror?
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  • Reply 13 of 37
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,433member
    inkling said:
    Apple's Eddy Cue is guessing that the iPhone will eventually be replaced by AI


    Did Eddie Cue miss his medications that day? The only way AI will replace phones, including iPhones, is if we all quit talking to one another and spend our time conversing with AI bots. I doubt that will happen, and I wonder about the sanity much less good sense of those who claim otherwise.



    Nobody knew how iPhone would work until it came out becasue people could not imagine a world with iPhones. People thought Nokia will sell their phones forever. 
    Yes.. Lack of imagination. 
    We think that nothing can replace iPhones. But but but.... 

    Recently, Tim Cook has made poor choices and decisions like listening to Luca, timid spending for chips, lack of LLM studies, their incompetent Siri, AppStore policy etc.

    I would not be surprised if Apple is facing a "Nokia moment" right now. Apple can still be a big player with war chest in the future, but it is up to Apple.

    Apple can´t afford to protect their reputation by their legacy. Kodak went down, because Kodak was too proud of what Kodak achieved. They did not innovate and disrupt to protect their legacy.

    This is the same case for Apple.

    And Apple may not make a silly decision from now on in this survival game.

    Tim Cook still has excellent experts. He just needs to listen to them. Without Phil Schiller and Eddie Cue, Apple would not be where Apple is today.


    This is a clickbait, but Eddie Cue says that iPhone usage may not be as crazy as now. And AI makes people less dependent on phones and wearables.

    For the record, Apple isn't currently experiencing a "Nokia moment."

    Also for the record, LLM artificial intelligence isn't what everyone's hyping it up to be. It's a probabilistic program that analyzes a data input query and uses a really large database of other data to predict the most likely string of characters to offer in response. It isn't thinking. It isn't conscious or near conscious. The thing it does better than humans is index an idetic memory of all data used to "train" it. No human can collect and accurately recall that volume of data. On the other hand, no functional AI can be trained on the comparatively small amount of data that any human of reasonable intelligence requires. LLM AI is just an elaborate mimic. It isn't capable of original thought or creativity. The huge database of other people's content can make its mimicry seem like original thought or creativity, but it produces neither. Additionally, as more AI is used to create content that's then published on the internet, it creates a feedback loop that makes future AI dumber or at best pushes it toward a faltering grade C average. As probabilistic output becomes training data input, the peak of the AI training data bell curve gets higher and higher. Moreover, as wrong answers and hallucinations are generated, regurgitated and dumped right back into the training data pool, it increases the probability that future AI will continue to generate even more wrong answers and hallucinations. 
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  • Reply 14 of 37
    AppleZulu said:
    inkling said:
    Apple's Eddy Cue is guessing that the iPhone will eventually be replaced by AI


    Did Eddie Cue miss his medications that day? The only way AI will replace phones, including iPhones, is if we all quit talking to one another and spend our time conversing with AI bots. I doubt that will happen, and I wonder about the sanity much less good sense of those who claim otherwise.



    Nobody knew how iPhone would work until it came out becasue people could not imagine a world with iPhones. People thought Nokia will sell their phones forever. 
    Yes.. Lack of imagination. 
    We think that nothing can replace iPhones. But but but.... 

    Recently, Tim Cook has made poor choices and decisions like listening to Luca, timid spending for chips, lack of LLM studies, their incompetent Siri, AppStore policy etc.

    I would not be surprised if Apple is facing a "Nokia moment" right now. Apple can still be a big player with war chest in the future, but it is up to Apple.

    Apple can´t afford to protect their reputation by their legacy. Kodak went down, because Kodak was too proud of what Kodak achieved. They did not innovate and disrupt to protect their legacy.

    This is the same case for Apple.

    And Apple may not make a silly decision from now on in this survival game.

    Tim Cook still has excellent experts. He just needs to listen to them. Without Phil Schiller and Eddie Cue, Apple would not be where Apple is today.


    This is a clickbait, but Eddie Cue says that iPhone usage may not be as crazy as now. And AI makes people less dependent on phones and wearables.

    For the record, Apple isn't currently experiencing a "Nokia moment."

    Also for the record, LLM artificial intelligence isn't what everyone's hyping it up to be. It's a probabilistic program that analyzes a data input query and uses a really large database of other data to predict the most likely string of characters to offer in response. It isn't thinking. It isn't conscious or near conscious. The thing it does better than humans is index an idetic memory of all data used to "train" it. No human can collect and accurately recall that volume of data. On the other hand, no functional AI can be trained on the comparatively small amount of data that any human of reasonable intelligence requires. LLM AI is just an elaborate mimic. It isn't capable of original thought or creativity. The huge database of other people's content can make its mimicry seem like original thought or creativity, but it produces neither. Additionally, as more AI is used to create content that's then published on the internet, it creates a feedback loop that makes future AI dumber or at best pushes it toward a faltering grade C average. As probabilistic output becomes training data input, the peak of the AI training data bell curve gets higher and higher. Moreover, as wrong answers and hallucinations are generated, regurgitated and dumped right back into the training data pool, it increases the probability that future AI will continue to generate even more wrong answers and hallucinations. 
    LLMs offer a limited usage for sure. But LLMs are just a base line to grow big and to make a big surprise out of that. 
    But Apple even fails to start this base line. 
    It does not have to be perfect. It does not have to be super inteliigent to create another world. 
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  • Reply 15 of 37
    charlesncharlesn Posts: 1,462member
    When you think about it, the product name "iPhone" is already silly and out-of-date, since its use as an actual phone is fast-becoming a vestigial capability of 20th century communication. Go ask Gen Z or Alpha how often they call someone. The iPhone's primary uses now are for messaging, apps, a mobile internet connection and visual content creation. So while I can foresee a not too distant future where there is a device not named iPhone that handles those needs, what I don't see and can't imagine is no device at all. How would that work? We can see that while iPhone eliminated the need (for many, but not all) to carry separate devices like iPod, a camera and a videocam, the need for the functionality of those devices remained and simply got incorporated into the device called iPhone. So when Cue says that AI will replace iPhone, I get it if he's talking about a new kind of AI device, but otherwise it makes no sense to me. It's also hard to predict how or if people will embrace future technologies. I remember when everyone thought that "videophones" would be the future tech that would replace communication by voice alone. What no one predicted or saw coming was that typing out text messages would absolutely dwarf videophone usage now that we have both technologies. I don't know about you, but I pretty much only do a FaceTime/video call when I haven't connected with a family member or friend in years. Otherwise, I'm generally annoyed by a spontaneous FaceTime call and try not to do that to others! 
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  • Reply 16 of 37
    SmittyWsmittyw Posts: 35member
    Seems a bit rich for cue to talk about AI replacing the iphone, presumably with AI + AR/VR, when he's horribly bumbled Apple's AI rollout along with just about every other Apple service. Has he been purposely trying to sabotage Apple this whole time? Somebody get Hercule Poirot on the case please. Siri is a daily disappointment and frustration that routinely fumbles rote commands and can't even pronounce words like "Hollywood" right (it inexplicably drops the 'y'). 
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  • Reply 17 of 37
    This clown has no crystal ball and no clue as to what the future holds, regarding AI or anything else. What an idiot article.
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  • Reply 18 of 37
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,626member
    hmlongco said:
    People use phones to read, play games, watch videos, take photos and videos, and more. 

    Until there's a replacement for the screen, the iPhone will still be around.

    And for those looking forward to implants, may I direct you to S07E01 of Black Mirror?
    But that doesn’t need to be a screen that is with you in hand like an iphone
    a lot of people could abandon their iPhones now and move functionality to others devices if they have in the kit.  The handbrake on that seems to be that the watch to replace adhoc voice calls and ready notifications has to be linked to a phone that can at least support the current os to keep the watch current. 

    Not all people but not all devices will ever suit all people and the iPhone seems to be only required part of the ecosystem as it stands. 
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  • Reply 19 of 37
    ravnorodomravnorodom Posts: 742member
    Make sense. I started to relying on ChatGTP more than Google Search. But first thing first, outdated Siri needs to go. Siri = iPod at this point. 
    williamlondon
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  • Reply 20 of 37
    mikethemartianmikethemartian Posts: 1,648member
    He does realize that the AI will have to run on some type of device? It isn’t just going to run on the air.
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