Qualcomm study unsurprisingly says Qualcomm modems beat Apple's C1

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A new Qualcomm-funded study claims Android phones with Snapdragon modems outperform the iPhone 16e C1 modem, and the comparison favors Qualcomm by design.

Two iPhone 16e smartphones with sleek, rounded designs. One shows a rear camera and side buttons; the other displays a screen with a colorful, abstract bubble pattern.
Apple's iPhone 16e smartphone



A new report commissioned by Qualcomm finds that Android phones equipped with the company's latest modems outperform Apple's iPhone 16e in 5G speed tests. The results, however, come with important context about pricing, test conditions and how these numbers translate to daily use.

According to Cellular Insights, Qualcomm-powered Android phones using Snapdragon X75 and X80 modems delivered up to 35% faster download speeds than the iPhone 16e. Upload speeds were up to 91% faster.

Testing took place on T-Mobile's sub-6 GHz standalone 5G network in New York City under varying signal conditions. Performance differences were minimal near cell towers but widened significantly indoors and in fringe areas.

Android phones supported four-carrier downlink and two-carrier uplink aggregation, combining multiple frequency bands for higher throughput. The iPhone, on the other hand, was limited to three-carrier downlink and lacked uplink aggregation.

The iPhone 16e frequently became hot to the touch during testing. While the study couldn't confirm whether heat directly impacted results, thermal limits are known to affect modem performance in extended real-world use.

Price and positioning distort direct comparisons



While the testing methodology may seem sound, the substantial sponsorship by Qualcomm raises concerns. The two Android phones tested were premium models, priced at $799 and $619.

The phones were equipped with Qualcomm's latest modems, which skews the results in favor of the sponsor. The iPhone 16e, by contrast, is Apple's $599 midrange model and its first device with a fully custom modem, that's not yet intended for premium devices.

That makes direct price comparisons less meaningful.

Apple's iPhone 16 Pro models, which still rely on Qualcomm modems and offer advanced antenna tuning, improved thermal design and mmWave 5G support, weren't included in the study.

Bar chart compares peak PHY and application layer throughput for Android and iPhone 16e, showing differences in Mbps for upload and download speeds.
Android phones reached higher peak 5G speeds than the iPhone 16e at both the modem and user levels. Image credit: Cellular Insights



By leaving out those models, the comparison pits Apple's entry-level modem against Qualcomm's flagship designs.

The iPhone 16e also lacks mmWave 5G entirely, meaning it can't connect to the fastest 5G networks typically available in stadiums or dense urban areas. For most users, that limitation won't matter, as mmWave coverage remains sparse, so it's not clear how this impacted the study.

Real-world results vary by network and use case



Despite some shortcomings in the test, Apple's C1 modem has shown more competitive performance in other studies. Independent testing has found that the iPhone 16e can match or even exceed Qualcomm-powered models on AT&T and Verizon when signal strength is good.

In weak coverage zones, though, Apple's modem falls behind. One review found the iPhone 16e managed just 10 Mbps in a supermarket, while a Qualcomm phone in the same spot reached over 200 Mbps. These results suggest Apple's early modem is still catching up to more mature designs.

Other factors, such as Apple's antenna design, power management system and thermal constraints, also play a role in shaping real-world performance. The C1 modem's integration may improve over time, but for now, it lags in demanding network environments.

For most users, modem performance is just one piece of the overall experience. The study shows that Apple's modem strategy still has ground to cover, particularly when it comes to sustained speed under stress.



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  • Reply 1 of 18
    MplsPmplsp Posts: 4,118member
    As I've said before - there are so many variables when it comes to cellular reception and data rates that it's virtually impossible to make meaningful comparisons. 

    From the data I've seen on the C1 modem it's close enough that real world variations would overshadow any differences between it and QC's modem for the majority of users. 
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  • Reply 2 of 18
    Qualcomm have always been the best modems.  Very disappointing that Apple is trying to incorporate inferior technology in iPhone.  Apple always has to try and save a few cents - and yet still charge the highest price for a product.  
    edited May 27
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  • Reply 3 of 18
    Nikon8nikon8 Posts: 54member
    I don’t care about speeds.  It makes little difference. I rather want less watts. 
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  • Reply 4 of 18
    AniMillanimill Posts: 196member
    Unsurprisingl. The C1 is new tech based on Intel’s unsuccessful modem tech. But like all Apple products, give it a few iterations to work out the bugs, and better consolidation. Like the M1, it wasn’t the best when it shipped - but it was damned fine. But look at the M4 MAX… it destroys all other CPUs on the critical Single Core benchmarks. And its GPU is way up there too. Just give Apple time, and by the time the C4 ships, it’ll blowup the competition.
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  • Reply 5 of 18
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,778member
    Getting rid of Qualcomm, Intel, Samsung, Nvidia, Google, IBM, Motorola of Schaumburg. Illinois, Elon and Microsoft is worth the price long term when it comes to advancing your profitable infrastructure/ecosystem. It’s why this group (those left standing) keep trying to attach themselves to Apple ecosystems on their terms even if it means they have to petition governments for help doing so….

    Thru iteration the Apple modem will advance to C2, C3 and beyond just like everything else Apple Silicon, and Apple OS (all five ecosystems). The M5, M6, and R2 are going to be fun upon introduction.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_silicon vertical computer company. This is what separates them from Microsoft/Qualcomm and it gives Apple the ability to disrupt, it is also an area where many other tech companies want a free ride on the Apple ecosystems.
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  • Reply 6 of 18
    williamlondonwilliamlondon Posts: 1,471member
    Qualcomm have always been the best modems.  Very disappointing that Apple is trying to incorporate inferior technology in iPhone.  Apple always has to try and save a few cents - and yet still charge the highest price for a product.  
    How foolish all those Apple customers, right?
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  • Reply 7 of 18
    pjp1pjp1 Posts: 2member
    Qualcomm has been milking Apple for years. I’m glad Apple will finally break free from Qualcomm. I would expect by the 3rd rendition (C3) the Apple modem will likely be superior.
    Qualcomm modems have not improved much over the years.
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  • Reply 8 of 18
    Xedxed Posts: 3,186member
    Qualcomm have always been the best modems.  Very disappointing that Apple is trying to incorporate inferior technology in iPhone.  Apple always has to try and save a few cents - and yet still charge the highest price for a product.  
    Let me get this straight, out of all the independent comparisons the only one that you're going to hang your hat on is the one from Qualcomm? And you even go so far as to say, "Qualcomm have always been the best modems," which seems to imply that they always will? Is that correct?

    Did you even look at other reviews? Even fans of Apple products were waiting for 
    independent reviews instead of simply taking Apple's word from any marketing claims after the iPhone 16e was announced. And let's also not forget that this in the iPhone 16e, their low end model; of course, that makes sense for their first entry into the cellular modem market, but you're mocking Apple for not being better than Qualcomm in every category out of the gate. Does that really seem like a reasonable position for you to take?

    And what's the word in size and power usage? How does Apple fair with the C1 against the Snapdragon X75 and X80? From what I've seen it seems to be where it shines while offering more than adequate speeds for their budget iPhone. Even if Qualcomm wins in power efficiency does it really matter for the iPhone 16e?

    Finally, why test an entry level iPhone against Qualcomm's latest and greatest modems that are capable of 10 gibps downloads? Are entry level Android phones in the same category as the iPhone 16e using the X75 and X80 modems?
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  • Reply 9 of 18
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,165member
    Qualcomm have always been the best modems.  Very disappointing that Apple is trying to incorporate inferior technology in iPhone.  Apple always has to try and save a few cents - and yet still charge the highest price for a product.  
    Are you trolling or just ignorant?

    Apple and Qualcomm have had a very tense relationship for many years along with very expensive lawsuits.  QC tried extorting Apple.  Apple jettisoned QC like a bad habit and QC rightfully deserved it.

    Apple's own modem is just their v1.0 release.  It's only going to get better while QC's revenue stream will take a major hit (like Intel) when Apple is completely off their chips.
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  • Reply 10 of 18
    sflocal said:
    Qualcomm have always been the best modems.  Very disappointing that Apple is trying to incorporate inferior technology in iPhone.  Apple always has to try and save a few cents - and yet still charge the highest price for a product.  
    Are you trolling or just ignorant?

    Apple and Qualcomm have had a very tense relationship for many years along with very expensive lawsuits.  QC tried extorting Apple.  Apple jettisoned QC like a bad habit and QC rightfully deserved it.

    Apple's own modem is just their v1.0 release.  It's only going to get better while QC's revenue stream will take a major hit (like Intel) when Apple is completely off their chips.
    No not trolling.  Just 35 years experience in RF engineering.  Buy a lot of Apple products.  Do not want to end up with a iPhone Pro that ends up having poor performance in low signal environment.  There is a real chance of that happening.   The modem is the most critical component a cell phone has.  If you are going to ask top dollar for it then it better not have diddly squat RF performance.  I am just not a fanboy is all.  I want the best technology is all.
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  • Reply 11 of 18
    Xedxed Posts: 3,186member
    sflocal said:
    Qualcomm have always been the best modems.  Very disappointing that Apple is trying to incorporate inferior technology in iPhone.  Apple always has to try and save a few cents - and yet still charge the highest price for a product.  
    Are you trolling or just ignorant?

    Apple and Qualcomm have had a very tense relationship for many years along with very expensive lawsuits.  QC tried extorting Apple.  Apple jettisoned QC like a bad habit and QC rightfully deserved it.

    Apple's own modem is just their v1.0 release.  It's only going to get better while QC's revenue stream will take a major hit (like Intel) when Apple is completely off their chips.
    No not trolling.  Just 35 years experience in RF engineering.  Buy a lot of Apple products.  Do not want to end up with a iPhone Pro that ends up having poor performance in low signal environment.  There is a real chance of that happening.   The modem is the most critical component a cell phone has.  If you are going to ask top dollar for it then it better not have diddly squat RF performance.  I am just not a fanboy is all.  I want the best technology is all.
    1) You say you want the best technology while you rail against innovation and competition in that market? Makes sense. 🙄

    2) Considering the iPhone 16e isn't Apple's "best technology" you, by your own admission, were not a potential customer of the iPhone 16e, which makes it even more of a head scratcher that you're upset with Apple creating and deploying the C1 modem into the 16e.

    3) How about this, keep using the smartphone you think is best and if that is no longer the case after the iPhone Pro models start using future C-modems, then either keep the iPhone you have until it is or switch to an Android-baed smartphone? If someone else makes something that suits your needs better then go for that product. That's it. 
    williamlondon
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  • Reply 12 of 18
    Xed said:
    sflocal said:
    Qualcomm have always been the best modems.  Very disappointing that Apple is trying to incorporate inferior technology in iPhone.  Apple always has to try and save a few cents - and yet still charge the highest price for a product.  
    Are you trolling or just ignorant?

    Apple and Qualcomm have had a very tense relationship for many years along with very expensive lawsuits.  QC tried extorting Apple.  Apple jettisoned QC like a bad habit and QC rightfully deserved it.

    Apple's own modem is just their v1.0 release.  It's only going to get better while QC's revenue stream will take a major hit (like Intel) when Apple is completely off their chips.
    No not trolling.  Just 35 years experience in RF engineering.  Buy a lot of Apple products.  Do not want to end up with a iPhone Pro that ends up having poor performance in low signal environment.  There is a real chance of that happening.   The modem is the most critical component a cell phone has.  If you are going to ask top dollar for it then it better not have diddly squat RF performance.  I am just not a fanboy is all.  I want the best technology is all.
    1) You say you want the best technology while you rail against innovation and competition in that market? Makes sense. 🙄

    2) Considering the iPhone 16e isn't Apple's "best technology" you, by your own admission, were not a potential customer of the iPhone 16e, which makes it even more of a head scratcher that you're upset with Apple creating and deploying the C1 modem into the 16e.

    3) How about this, keep using the smartphone you think is best and if that is no longer the case after the iPhone Pro models start using future C-modems, then either keep the iPhone you have until it is or switch to an Android-baed smartphone? If someone else makes something that suits your needs better then go for that product. That's it. 
    It is not likely Apple will ever exceed Qualcomm.  Qualcomm has so many patents for technology needed for peak modem performance.  Very unlikely so I guess I will end up switching to Samsung in a couple of years.
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  • Reply 13 of 18
    Wesley_Hilliardwesley_hilliard Posts: 512member, administrator, moderator, editor
    sflocal said:
    Qualcomm have always been the best modems.  Very disappointing that Apple is trying to incorporate inferior technology in iPhone.  Apple always has to try and save a few cents - and yet still charge the highest price for a product.  
    Are you trolling or just ignorant?

    Apple and Qualcomm have had a very tense relationship for many years along with very expensive lawsuits.  QC tried extorting Apple.  Apple jettisoned QC like a bad habit and QC rightfully deserved it.

    Apple's own modem is just their v1.0 release.  It's only going to get better while QC's revenue stream will take a major hit (like Intel) when Apple is completely off their chips.
    No not trolling.  Just 35 years experience in RF engineering.  Buy a lot of Apple products.  Do not want to end up with a iPhone Pro that ends up having poor performance in low signal environment.  There is a real chance of that happening.   The modem is the most critical component a cell phone has.  If you are going to ask top dollar for it then it better not have diddly squat RF performance.  I am just not a fanboy is all.  I want the best technology is all.
    Worked for 35 years in RF... at Qualcomm maybe?

    Reminds me of that scene in Clerks where the Chewlies guy keeps trying to convince all the smokers to buy gum instead. At least, that's how this reads. Apple's C1 modem seems to perform identically to the Qualcomm modem in every test I've seen (not paid for by Qualcomm). It is also what helps get iPhone 16e to that crazy battery life. I can't wait to have C-series chips across the board.

    Meanwhile, you're welcome to buy whatever you like. 
    williamlondon
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  • Reply 14 of 18
    Xedxed Posts: 3,186member
    Xed said:
    sflocal said:
    Qualcomm have always been the best modems.  Very disappointing that Apple is trying to incorporate inferior technology in iPhone.  Apple always has to try and save a few cents - and yet still charge the highest price for a product.  
    Are you trolling or just ignorant?

    Apple and Qualcomm have had a very tense relationship for many years along with very expensive lawsuits.  QC tried extorting Apple.  Apple jettisoned QC like a bad habit and QC rightfully deserved it.

    Apple's own modem is just their v1.0 release.  It's only going to get better while QC's revenue stream will take a major hit (like Intel) when Apple is completely off their chips.
    No not trolling.  Just 35 years experience in RF engineering.  Buy a lot of Apple products.  Do not want to end up with a iPhone Pro that ends up having poor performance in low signal environment.  There is a real chance of that happening.   The modem is the most critical component a cell phone has.  If you are going to ask top dollar for it then it better not have diddly squat RF performance.  I am just not a fanboy is all.  I want the best technology is all.
    1) You say you want the best technology while you rail against innovation and competition in that market? Makes sense. 🙄

    2) Considering the iPhone 16e isn't Apple's "best technology" you, by your own admission, were not a potential customer of the iPhone 16e, which makes it even more of a head scratcher that you're upset with Apple creating and deploying the C1 modem into the 16e.

    3) How about this, keep using the smartphone you think is best and if that is no longer the case after the iPhone Pro models start using future C-modems, then either keep the iPhone you have until it is or switch to an Android-baed smartphone? If someone else makes something that suits your needs better then go for that product. That's it. 
    It is not likely Apple will ever exceed Qualcomm.

    Perhaps they won't, but that will be because Qualcomm worked their ass off innovating, not simply because they felt they because they had always had the lead that they always will. Neither one of us knows the future, but I can detail a lot of scenarios, with more than a handful from Apple alone, that show that disruption in a market is very likely to occur. Intel is feeling that right now.

    Can you show me any independent studies that show that the C1's power efficiency is worse than Qualcomm's? Is that not important or does it not really matter because you've made up your mind that only Qualcomm should make cellular modems.

    Qualcomm has so many patents for technology needed for peak modem performance.

    And Apple doesn't with their 4,000–6,000 just from the Rockstar consortium that Qualcomm isn't a part of? And how many patents has Apple created in-house since then? We'll eventually move beyond 5G, too, and those will need patents.

    Very unlikely so I guess I will end up switching to Samsung in a couple of years.


    Why wait? The iPhone 16 Pro only uses the Snapdragon X75 while the Xiaomi 15 and Xiaomi 15 Pro use the X80. I think you're missing out.


    “We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone. PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in.” — CEO of some company that has been lost to time

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  • Reply 15 of 18
    bestkeptsecretbestkeptsecret Posts: 4,322member
    Is this the start of that phase where competitors start showing stats as to how better their product is compared to Apple's - just as Apple steadily starts pulling further and further away?
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  • Reply 16 of 18
    Xedxed Posts: 3,186member
    Is this the start of that phase where competitors start showing stats as to how better their product is compared to Apple's - just as Apple steadily starts pulling further and further away?
    The irony of all this is that if Apple's C1 modem — that is in a single, low-end device — was so inferior to anything Qualcomm could produce then Qualcomm would've just ignored it.
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  • Reply 17 of 18
    Speeds are already good enough for a smartphone. I want longer battery life. Let me know when Qualcomm has more efficient silicon than Apple for the same price to consumers.
    williamlondon9secondkox2
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  • Reply 18 of 18
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,480member
    Apple has basically admitted this by only including it in their cheaper phones.

    The C1 isn't what Qualcomm has to worry about.

    Apple has far better models in the pipeline.
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