Apple's continued lack of native apps on Vision Pro isn't a good sign for the platform

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  • Reply 21 of 36
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,327member
    Absolutely agree with this.

    Apple should be maxing out its commitment to the platform to make sure things flow naturally down to future iterations of the product. It should be leading the way and filling in as any holes and shortcomings as possible before it reaches a wider audience (which I think is a given).

    Where better to start than it's own apps?

    The product is on the market (best place for it to be) and there is no real alternative to having it in users' hands to evaluate how it is used and where to take it forward (both hardware and software) so Apple should be bending over backwards to commit to those early adopters who bought into a Gen 1 product.

    All I can think of is that Apple is a bit stretched at the moment on the software side and this has taken a bit of a backseat. 
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  • Reply 22 of 36
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,670member
    I'm not sure you're much of a fan of the platform at this point -- you seem about 3/4 of the way toward it being doomed, meaning you don't believe in it anymore. Also seems like most of the Appleinsider contributing staff also isn't that into Apple anymore. Getting pretty "The Verge" around here lately, and choosing this hill to die on as far as Vision Pro feels a little weak this early on.
    Being critical of poor decision making by a company is not the same thing as hating a product. Considering I wrote this piece from within Apple Vision Pro and have spent multiple hours testing the new features this week just for the fun of it, I'd say I'm still rather invested in the platform.

    I'm not sure what you expect us to do, praise Apple when they're doing a poor job at something? You should try listening to the podcast sometime, I'm continuously accused of being too defensive of Apple. lol

    If anything, me wanting the platform to be better should be an indicator of how much I care about it.
    Being critical and concern trolling are two different things. You know full well that if you write stories with incendiary headlines like this one what kind of traffic it attracts. It's quite obvious that you wanting to make money trolling Apple supersedes you "wanting the platform to be better". Please. This is the oldest trick/excuse in the book.
    i dont agree with Hilliard on many things. But you are way off here. Out of the entire AI staff, no one has been more of an evangelist for the Vision Pro. He’s pushed it in previous articles and made sure it didn’t fade from AI headlines. He’s a fan and has basically said as much. This article was actually a surprise. For him to share concerns means that even an AVID AVP fan can see that the future is not bright for the headset version of this idea. That’s to be commended. It shows some objectivity - in this area at least. 

    The idea of the Vision Pro is sound. But the execution is just way off. Headsets will never be a mass market thing snd they has played out for a very long time already. It was shocking to hear the rumors as apple usually doesn’t make such bad missteps. But thrn the rumors were true, the product inevitably faltered, and boom. Here we are. 

    Glasses always were the realistic mass market endgame for this kind of experience. 
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  • Reply 23 of 36
    dewmedewme Posts: 6,099member
    The Vision Pro is a singularly unique product from the standpoint of user interaction and engagement. Getting someone to strap on a headset on their face requires overcoming a huge amount of friction because it is so unnatural. But once it's strapped on it's probably the most frictionless form of human - computer interaction ever developed so far. Nevertheless, I still feel like it will continue to grow in popularity as people's lives become ever more disengaged from physical interaction and become more and more done through virtual and remote interaction.
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  • Reply 24 of 36
    anthogaganthogag Posts: 133member
    True, the apps in the list should already have VisionOS spatial versions.

    Perhaps when the less expensive and lighter hardware for the masses shows-up Apple will have these apps for VisionOS.  
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  • Reply 25 of 36
    Apple is greedy and stupid. If they were to drop the price of the darn thing by AT LEAST 50%, sales would skyrocket and developers would flock to the platform.
    …. flippin’ imbeciles….. 🫩
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  • Reply 26 of 36
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,888member
    I'm not sure you're much of a fan of the platform at this point -- you seem about 3/4 of the way toward it being doomed, meaning you don't believe in it anymore. Also seems like most of the Appleinsider contributing staff also isn't that into Apple anymore. Getting pretty "The Verge" around here lately, and choosing this hill to die on as far as Vision Pro feels a little weak this early on.
    Being critical of poor decision making by a company is not the same thing as hating a product. Considering I wrote this piece from within Apple Vision Pro and have spent multiple hours testing the new features this week just for the fun of it, I'd say I'm still rather invested in the platform.

    I'm not sure what you expect us to do, praise Apple when they're doing a poor job at something? You should try listening to the podcast sometime, I'm continuously accused of being too defensive of Apple. lol

    If anything, me wanting the platform to be better should be an indicator of how much I care about it.

    The Verge has always sold itself as the hipster geek site above it all, I can count on them having a negative/doomed slant on Apple in comparison to Apples competition Google Samsung, Qualcomm and Microsoft who usually get somewhat of a free pass on their blunders (product intros and on some just terrible incomplete products in comparison to Apple).


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  • Reply 27 of 36
    flitetym said:
    Apple is greedy and stupid. If they were to drop the price of the darn thing by AT LEAST 50%, sales would skyrocket and developers would flock to the platform.
    …. flippin’ imbeciles….. 🫩
    That will be version 2. Once they price it at the price of a Macbook Pro we'll see it take it. 
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  • Reply 28 of 36

    flitetym said:
    Apple is greedy and stupid. If they were to drop the price of the darn thing by AT LEAST 50%, sales would skyrocket and developers would flock to the platform.
    …. flippin’ imbeciles….. 🫩
    I heard Apple is searching for you to hire you! They feel you can save them from being a $3 trillion company! 
    neoncatwilliamlondonrandominternetperson
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  • Reply 29 of 36
    Wesley_Hilliardwesley_hilliard Posts: 620member, administrator, moderator, editor
    I'm not sure you're much of a fan of the platform at this point -- you seem about 3/4 of the way toward it being doomed, meaning you don't believe in it anymore. Also seems like most of the Appleinsider contributing staff also isn't that into Apple anymore. Getting pretty "The Verge" around here lately, and choosing this hill to die on as far as Vision Pro feels a little weak this early on.
    Being critical of poor decision making by a company is not the same thing as hating a product. Considering I wrote this piece from within Apple Vision Pro and have spent multiple hours testing the new features this week just for the fun of it, I'd say I'm still rather invested in the platform.

    I'm not sure what you expect us to do, praise Apple when they're doing a poor job at something? You should try listening to the podcast sometime, I'm continuously accused of being too defensive of Apple. lol

    If anything, me wanting the platform to be better should be an indicator of how much I care about it.
    Being critical and concern trolling are two different things. You know full well that if you write stories with incendiary headlines like this one what kind of traffic it attracts. It's quite obvious that you wanting to make money trolling Apple supersedes you "wanting the platform to be better". Please. This is the oldest trick/excuse in the book.
    It's the truth. If you don't like the truth in a headline, go bury your head in the sand. And if you can't read past the headline, don't comment in our forums. I clearly wasn't being incendiary towards AVP, and if you think I was it is because you either didn't read the story or you didn't understand it.
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  • Reply 30 of 36
    Wesley_Hilliardwesley_hilliard Posts: 620member, administrator, moderator, editor
    danox said:
    I'm not sure you're much of a fan of the platform at this point -- you seem about 3/4 of the way toward it being doomed, meaning you don't believe in it anymore. Also seems like most of the Appleinsider contributing staff also isn't that into Apple anymore. Getting pretty "The Verge" around here lately, and choosing this hill to die on as far as Vision Pro feels a little weak this early on.
    Being critical of poor decision making by a company is not the same thing as hating a product. Considering I wrote this piece from within Apple Vision Pro and have spent multiple hours testing the new features this week just for the fun of it, I'd say I'm still rather invested in the platform.

    I'm not sure what you expect us to do, praise Apple when they're doing a poor job at something? You should try listening to the podcast sometime, I'm continuously accused of being too defensive of Apple. lol

    If anything, me wanting the platform to be better should be an indicator of how much I care about it.

    The Verge has always sold itself as the hipster geek site above it all, I can count on them having a negative/doomed slant on Apple in comparison to Apples competition Google Samsung, Qualcomm and Microsoft who usually get somewhat of a free pass on their blunders (product intros and on some just terrible incomplete products in comparison to Apple).


    The Verge is an opinion driven site, I believe, which means instead of having a central narrative voice, each writer shares its opinions right out. And those opinions tend to criticize Apple heavily. Note I don't talk about Android, Meta, or Microsoft here because they are irrelevant in this. If anyone thinks I'm too negative on Apple Vision Pro, they should hear what I say about the others. (Quest is a decent headset that is cheap and is primarily for gaming and one I'd never own or use for work. Microsoft gave up. Android is in the prototype phase and therefore irrelevant, if neat)
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  • Reply 31 of 36
    What would be the upgrade to have these apps run natively? I feel like a native version of the Clock app is the Widget.  I could see the Maps app having potential as a native app by showing cities in 3D.  Maybe I lack imagination, but I don’t see the benefit of a native News app for example.  I’d rather Apple focus on new features rather than just putting a checkmark next to these apps to indicate they run natively.  
    williamlondon
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  • Reply 32 of 36
    williamlondonwilliamlondon Posts: 1,550member
    flitetym said:
    Apple is greedy and stupid. If they were to drop the price of the darn thing by AT LEAST 50%, sales would skyrocket and developers would flock to the platform.
    …. flippin’ imbeciles….. 🫩
    Says someone who very obviously doesn’t understand product strategy or product pricing. Good god what a childish and uniformed take your comment. Product strategy and pricing are quite complex disciplines, and the armchair in which one sits in the living room far removed from a real office or boardroom doesn’t qualify anyone anything except the ability to fart nonstop nonsense.
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  • Reply 33 of 36
    WHAT is this guy smoking? None of those apps have a spacial appeal other than being able to use them around you. For the record, the clock is included as a widget in 26. 

    Seriously, would love to understand where people who think the apps listed could be spacial? Do you want 3D letters to come out at you? Do you want the clock to float around the room aimlessly? 

    Some apps are should be 2D. Being able to use them floating in air is the AVP promise. The world as your monitor is king!
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  • Reply 34 of 36
    If there’s no API or other developer need to prepare for a thing, Apple saves it for product marketing purposes for product launches, like the launch of hardware or the launch of the OS itself. If Apple has brought more of its apps to visionOS, they’ll be launched with the release of the final OS.  They’ve always done this.  
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  • Reply 35 of 36
    Wesley_Hilliardwesley_hilliard Posts: 620member, administrator, moderator, editor
    WHAT is this guy smoking? None of those apps have a spacial appeal other than being able to use them around you. For the record, the clock is included as a widget in 26. 

    Seriously, would love to understand where people who think the apps listed could be spacial? Do you want 3D letters to come out at you? Do you want the clock to float around the room aimlessly? 

    Some apps are should be 2D. Being able to use them floating in air is the AVP promise. The world as your monitor is king!
    I'm not sure if you have an Apple Vision Pro or not, but being native isn't about just being 3D. Compatible apps can't be resized the same way and have significant limitations on size and shape -- they have to be landscape or portrait iPad apps. This creates a lot of weirdness when placing the windows.

    Also, I acknowledged that the Clock widget is a step towards a kind of native experience, but the Clock app itself is still flat and awkward. Why not build an interactive 3D globe object that displays the time when you click on a region? How about a timer or stopwatch window that can be pinned somewhere? Not possible today.

    Home could let me place spatial objects on real world lights and fixtures to control them. Calendar could have a native UI with modal windows and sidebars. Shortcuts could have a new 3D editor that lets me grab and move blocks around an automation mind map web. Podcasts should have a native player with a minimized view like Apple Music.

    A native visionOS app doesn't imply 3D effects, it implies that the UI scales and is optimized for the platform. Apple not providing that to its core apps after 3 years is incredible neglect.
    williamlondonliquidlemons
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  • Reply 36 of 36
    I'm not sure if you have an Apple Vision Pro or not, but being native isn't about just being 3D. Compatible apps can't be resized the same way and have significant limitations on size and shape -- they have to be landscape or portrait iPad apps. This creates a lot of weirdness when placing the windows.

    A native visionOS app doesn't imply 3D effects, it implies that the UI scales and is optimized for the platform. Apple not providing that to its core apps after 3 years is incredible neglect.

    I agree with Wesley on this. I, for one, would really love a native Books app for Vision Pro. I imagine it would function similarly to the current iPad app, but would be a bit more accessible, and without its UI locked into the same frame, like an iPhone app scaling up to work on the iPad. There’s opportunity to take advantage of the platform itself, and create an experience that goes beyond what’s currently offered in the native iPhone and iPad versions. And it seems like these should be a very small lift from the existing apps, given how easy they claim it is to port apps over. However, this is the same company that took many years before bringing Calculator to iPad. 😂 Maybe I’ll just go build the app I want myself. 
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