Apple's Hubbard takes a jab at Moto

kedakeda
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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
I read an <a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0210/02.hubbard.php"; target="_blank">article</a> at MacCentral about Jonathan Hubbard's talk at O'Reilly's OSX conf.



Near the end of the article, they quote him as saying(joke) "One of the benefits of working with Motorola is that the hardware won't get faster."



I thought this was interesting because it is the first time I remember hearing an Apple exec addressing the HW problems that the AI crew talks so much about.



Could this be, yet another, piece of the G5 puzzle? Maybe someone else wouldn't provide that 'benefit'...IBM?!



[ 10-03-2002: Message edited by: Keda ]</p>
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  • Reply 1 of 39
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    Wow, that's a little more than a jab, that's a right cross. Funny stuff.
  • Reply 2 of 39
    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
    In other words: "We won't be using Motorola processors in our flagship product anymore so let me take this chance to piss on their name..."
  • Reply 3 of 39
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Right cross, upper-cut, and tea bagged as he struggles of the floor. MUHAHAHAHHA!!!
  • Reply 4 of 39
    zarafazarafa Posts: 20member
    [quote]Originally posted by Keda:

    <strong>I read an <a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0210/02.hubbard.php"; target="_blank">article</a> at MacCentral about Jonathan Hubbard's talk at O'Reilly's OSX conf.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Small correction: it's Jordan Hubbard, not Jonathan.
  • Reply 5 of 39
    pevepeve Posts: 518member
    apple is gonna dump mot (pretty sure to me) why not make a comment like that?



    apple isn't stupid - they are gonna change something with their cpu's.
  • Reply 6 of 39
    andersanders Posts: 6,523member
    [quote]Originally posted by Outsider:

    <strong>In other words: "We won't be using Motorola processors in our flagship product anymore so let me take this chance to piss on their name..."</strong><hr></blockquote>



    That or Workerbee will have some company down in the cellar
  • Reply 7 of 39
    junkyard dawgjunkyard dawg Posts: 2,801member
    Cool. He wouldn't say that unless the GPUL was imminent. I don't think we're going to have to wait a whole year on this one.
  • Reply 8 of 39
    cindercinder Posts: 381member
    [quote]Cool. He wouldn't say that unless the GPUL was imminent. I don't think we're going to have to wait a whole year on this one. <hr></blockquote>



    It's a "Jump to Conclusions Mat"! You see, you have this mat, with different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO!



    [ 10-03-2002: Message edited by: cinder ]</p>
  • Reply 9 of 39
    eupfhoriaeupfhoria Posts: 257member
    [quote]Originally posted by cinder:

    <strong>



    It's a "Jump to Conclusions Mat"! You see, you have this mat, with different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO!



    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    HAHAHa





    As far as the comment goes, burning your bridges is NEVER a good idea. Even if apple does release a GPUL powermac tommorrow, the iMac will probably have the G4 for a while, not to mention the iBook which still doesn't have it.
  • Reply 10 of 39
    ptrashptrash Posts: 296member
    Could Motorola diss Apple any more than they already have. And what;s Motorola gonna do, stop selling their processor to Apple. I'm sure their shareholders would love that as management defended their decision, "But they insulted us!"
  • Reply 11 of 39
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    Well, it could mean that Apple plans to use the current speeds for the iMac, PB and eMac. That will last a year or so, by then they can either see what moto has or use IBM's Sahara with VMX or pop in the GPUL.
  • Reply 12 of 39
    boy_analogboy_analog Posts: 315member
    Funny. I remember seeing a Next demo years ago where Steve drew material into a Framemaker document from several different platforms. As he waited for the Mac's component to arrive, he made an offhand remark about the Mac's speed....



    Based on some of the above comments, does this mean that Motorola will hire Hubbard, and he'll end up running the place?



  • Reply 13 of 39
    snoopysnoopy Posts: 1,901member
    There is nothing to stop IBM from making a G4 too. It is the GPUL that is getting the attention, but who can say that there are not other processors in the works? A faster G4 with a better bus would not rate a discussion at the Microprocessor Forum, so we wouldn't hear about it. We would not know about the GPUL either, except for the announcement.



    (BTW, the topic startled me at first. I thought it said Hubbard takes a job at Motorola.)
  • Reply 14 of 39
    @homenow@homenow Posts: 998member
    [quote]Originally posted by snoopy:

    <strong>There is nothing to stop IBM from making a G4 too. It is the GPUL that is getting the attention, but who can say that there are not other processors in the works? A faster G4 with a better bus would not rate a discussion at the Microprocessor Forum, so we wouldn't hear about it. We would not know about the GPUL either, except for the announcement.



    (BTW, the topic startled me at first. I thought it said Hubbard takes a job at Motorola.)</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Actually, there is a something keeping IBM from making G4's, its a Moto chip. While IBM has fabed G4's when Moto couldnt keep up with production, this was due to contract agreements that Apple had with Moto, and it limited IBM to fabing chips at or below speeds that Moto could fab. IBM can build a G4 compatible chip, but not with Alti-Vec, which as I understand it is Moto's propiatory version of the VMX SMD in the PPC architecture.
  • Reply 15 of 39
    blue2kdaveblue2kdave Posts: 652member
    I was at the session, and it was definitely a serious jab.



    I don't know if this changes the attack at all, but it was in response to a question about Apple's efforts at optimizing their code for better performance, versus hoping faster processors will take care of OSX sluggishness.
  • Reply 16 of 39
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    I don't know if you could call JKH an exec at Apple. He's a Darwin Project manager, I think.
  • Reply 17 of 39
    bartobarto Posts: 2,246member
    Jordan Hubbard is an Engineering Manager at Apple, although he doesn't like titles



    Specifically, he is the BSD Technologies Engineering Manager.



    Barto
  • Reply 18 of 39
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    [quote]Originally posted by snoopy:

    <strong>We would not know about the GPUL either, except for the announcement.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Be careful how you use that word WE... The truth is WE (as in the AI community) did know about GPUL before that MPF announcement. It was mentioned right here in future hardware before the MPF announcment and a much much smaller subset of WE knew about GPUL long before that but chose not to speak of it. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />



    Just because someone learns of something doesn't mean they are going to rush over to a rumors forum an blab it out 'dorsal style'. Sometimes people learn things in confidance and are told to keep it that way and they respect the wishes of the person they learned the info from. I follow these forums pretty close and I'm confidant a number of members here could give you more details about GPUL but have chosen not to.



    Speculation hat on...



    The only reason 'we' started to hear about GPUL when we did is because it's close to being done and usually the closer a project is to being done the more people who have to know about it.



    Translation: The more people who know about it the easier it is to find someone who will leak you info AND give you an 'okay' to post it or should I say not be so strict as to say "don't spread this around".



    Well that's how I see it any way.



    D



    [ 10-04-2002: Message edited by: DaveGee ]</p>
  • Reply 19 of 39
    davegeedavegee Posts: 2,765member
    Oh and here is something that I don't think anyone has really picked up on yet...



    Jonathan Hubbard's quote *IS* Telling...



    [quote]

    "One of the benefits of working with Motorola is that the hardware won't get faster."

    <hr></blockquote>



    You notice he didn't say "One of the benefits of working with the PPC is that the hardware won't get faster."



    D
  • Reply 20 of 39
    telomartelomar Posts: 1,804member
    Just to clarify something although IBM can't make the G4 exactly they can basically produce one if they want to take the time. All the G4 originally was is a slightly improved G3 with Altivec.



    Although IBM doesn't have the rights to Altivec they do have rights to the instruction set it is based around and could therefore build a compatible unit to attach to an evolution of the G3. Do that and you basically have your IBM G4s. That doesn't mean they will replace Motorola but they certainly could if they felt it worthwhile to invest the capital.
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