I don't think this applies to Mac IE. Although it's been so long since a Mac IE update, it matters little. Safari and Camino have left it in the dust...
Yeah Safari is faster and easier to use than IE. Macs still NEED IE. There is no way around it. And this was unofficial and PC centric but it still does not bode well. Look at how long IE 5 has gone without an update. IE 6 for Mac is a Good Thing?. Competition is a Good Thing?. Identifying your Safari as IE doesn't make it IE.
I agree. I haven't used IE on my Mac (or the PC's at work) since about September. What sites are you people looking at that only work in IE? I don't know of any.
I've been pushing the "no-IE" ticket for years. My main browsers today are Safari and OmniWeb 4.5 (sp's). Before these I used Chimera. Before that OmniWeb 4.x and Mozilla.
After months of non-use on my hard drive, I finally archived IE onto a dmg back in September. I probably hadn't even used it regularly since some time in 2001. I very very rarely encounter sites that actually need IE. I honestly can't even remember the last time that was. Meanwhile, I just keep IE around for testing my own standards compliant code to see how badly IE might screw it up.
I've been pushing the "no-IE" ticket for years. My main browsers today are Safari and OmniWeb 4.5 (sp's). Before these I used Chimera. Before that OmniWeb 4.x and Mozilla.
After months of non-use on my hard drive, I finally archived IE onto a dmg back in September. I probably hadn't even used it regularly since some time in 2001. I very very rarely encounter sites that actually need IE. I honestly can't even remember the last time that was. Meanwhile, I just keep IE around for testing my own standards compliant code to see how badly IE might screw it up.
Actually some sites from Asia-Pacific areas require IE. The jackass in this area are so pro-M$
I can't believe that some of you are ASKING for Safari to not just impersonate IE, but emulate it.
If web browsers start to emulate IE, then web masters will continue to ignore standards compliance. The only way to bring standards back into the web is to have a healthy selection of widely used browsers. Otherwise web masters will continue to code "MSHTML", not HTML.
Safari should be as different from (read: better) IE as possible, since we'll always still have IE. Or will we? I hope so. Every now and then sites require IE. For me I MUST use IE daily for my college's webcourses and all class management, like signing up. "Peoplesoft blows" as someone here eloquently put it. U. RI wasted 10 MILLION on some ghetto Peoplesoft program that my friend Dan (www.wonderwarp.com) in 9th grade could have done better on. It crashes Safari like clockwork. Actually to be honest I switched to FireBird as a backup (wow it's fast!) and that works with PeopleSoft. I'm curious now too, what are some sites that require IE? And if they do I wonder if they require just IE or PC IE?
If these three things are fixed, THEN AND ONLY THEN can I give up IE. Otherwise, Safari is MUCH better than IE. Just FIX DOWNLOADING ALREADY!!!!!
You sound like a perfect candidate for OmniWeb 4.5.
It has all the OmniWeb 4.x goodies (plus a few new things) as well as the fast WebCore engine that powers Safari. Since you're an IE junkie, you won't be miffed by the lack of tabs in OmniWeb ("yet." something good is coming in 5.0). Since you seem to be a download fanatic, you should go try out OmniWeb 4.2.1 and get a feel for how it works and have a look at its download manager. Important note: 4.2 still uses the antiquated rendering engine and is still relatively slow and doesn't conform to all technologies like CSS and DHTML and other goodies. 4.5 fixes all that.
You can always use a specilized download manager, like KGet (hooray for X11, Fink and Liquid!)
Also, I prefer the simplicity of Safari's download manager. Pause/Resume is desperately needed as is selectable URLs as you pointed out. However, I much prefer Safari Beta with a few missing features than the garbage (speed, standards, stability and interface) of IE.
I agree. I haven't used IE on my Mac (or the PC's at work) since about September. What sites are you people looking at that only work in IE? I don't know of any.
I tried to print an E-ticket on www.usairways.com Sunday and they would only accept IE.\
I'd really like to go with Omniweb for whatever I can't use Safari for, but there are just too many free browsers on the market to validate choosing a shareware browser. I'm poor.
OmniWeb 4.5 will have the same licensing scheme that 4.x already has. Yes, it is considered shareware, but it is not limiting or crippled in any way. The only thing you get when it's not registered is the occasional little reminder (and they're usually pretty funny) when you launch the program. There's no forced timed delay with the reminder, either, like there is with apps like GraphicConverter or Pacifist.
You can use OmniWeb for free for as long as you want.
One feature that I really want to see in Safari 1.0 is the ability to "emulate" itself and Internet Explorer for Windows. If this feature is included then we will not have to worry about going to some sites that require IE on a PC
I think what people are missing here is not the fact that IE is in bad need of an update ( I am still forced to use it on occasion, for work related stuff, since places where I download photos ) make you use IE, cause their webmonkeys are not smart enough to test it out on multiple browsers. I really don't think they would discontinue IE for Mac just yet, matter of fact - probably to everyone's horror- we need it around for these types of things, or our boss men will come clamouring down on us, stating that Mac's cannot even get into websites. MS does control alot of the format on the web, and if IE were to blow off the face of the earth, 95% of my web stuff would be unaffected- however when we need it the other 5% of the time- it'd be "nice to have." So again-recap- for the majority of my internet dealings, I don't use it. But for some unfortunate webmonkies who don't test their stuff out on Netscape, or anything else- this will ulitimately give us the "need" to have IE..no matter how little we use it. We Lose IE..MS can lengthen the gap on the internet. Proprietary stuff abounds. Should have broken them up.
Sadly I can't be without it. At least 3 of my regulars (All Car Sites) only seem to work in IE. Some of them worked in Mozilla until the latest update. The Java based configurators only work in IE
Being a recent convert to the Mac world I have enjoyed the experience very much. One thing I have noticed with Safari is that it does not accept right click. No reason that it should as Mac doesn't advocate it. IE supports it very nicely and made me feel more at home when I switched.
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"who needs IE?"
Fours months, no need for IE. What high quality porn sites are you looking at?
Originally posted by jwri004
It still begs the question
"who needs IE?"
I agree. I haven't used IE on my Mac (or the PC's at work) since about September. What sites are you people looking at that only work in IE? I don't know of any.
After months of non-use on my hard drive, I finally archived IE onto a dmg back in September. I probably hadn't even used it regularly since some time in 2001. I very very rarely encounter sites that actually need IE. I honestly can't even remember the last time that was. Meanwhile, I just keep IE around for testing my own standards compliant code to see how badly IE might screw it up.
Originally posted by Brad
I've been pushing the "no-IE" ticket for years. My main browsers today are Safari and OmniWeb 4.5 (sp's). Before these I used Chimera. Before that OmniWeb 4.x and Mozilla.
After months of non-use on my hard drive, I finally archived IE onto a dmg back in September. I probably hadn't even used it regularly since some time in 2001. I very very rarely encounter sites that actually need IE. I honestly can't even remember the last time that was. Meanwhile, I just keep IE around for testing my own standards compliant code to see how badly IE might screw it up.
Actually some sites from Asia-Pacific areas require IE. The jackass in this area are so pro-M$
If web browsers start to emulate IE, then web masters will continue to ignore standards compliance. The only way to bring standards back into the web is to have a healthy selection of widely used browsers. Otherwise web masters will continue to code "MSHTML", not HTML.
Barto
Safari should be as different from (read: better) IE as possible, since we'll always still have IE. Or will we? I hope so. Every now and then sites require IE. For me I MUST use IE daily for my college's webcourses and all class management, like signing up. "Peoplesoft blows" as someone here eloquently put it. U. RI wasted 10 MILLION on some ghetto Peoplesoft program that my friend Dan (www.wonderwarp.com) in 9th grade could have done better on. It crashes Safari like clockwork. Actually to be honest I switched to FireBird as a backup (wow it's fast!) and that works with PeopleSoft. I'm curious now too, what are some sites that require IE? And if they do I wonder if they require just IE or PC IE?
Originally posted by tonton
If these three things are fixed, THEN AND ONLY THEN can I give up IE. Otherwise, Safari is MUCH better than IE. Just FIX DOWNLOADING ALREADY!!!!!
You sound like a perfect candidate for OmniWeb 4.5.
It has all the OmniWeb 4.x goodies (plus a few new things) as well as the fast WebCore engine that powers Safari. Since you're an IE junkie, you won't be miffed by the lack of tabs in OmniWeb ("yet." something good is coming in 5.0). Since you seem to be a download fanatic, you should go try out OmniWeb 4.2.1 and get a feel for how it works and have a look at its download manager. Important note: 4.2 still uses the antiquated rendering engine and is still relatively slow and doesn't conform to all technologies like CSS and DHTML and other goodies. 4.5 fixes all that.
Also, I prefer the simplicity of Safari's download manager. Pause/Resume is desperately needed as is selectable URLs as you pointed out. However, I much prefer Safari Beta with a few missing features than the garbage (speed, standards, stability and interface) of IE.
Barto
Originally posted by drumbug1
I agree. I haven't used IE on my Mac (or the PC's at work) since about September. What sites are you people looking at that only work in IE? I don't know of any.
I tried to print an E-ticket on www.usairways.com Sunday and they would only accept IE.
Originally posted by tonton
I'd really like to go with Omniweb for whatever I can't use Safari for, but there are just too many free browsers on the market to validate choosing a shareware browser. I'm poor.
OmniWeb 4.5 will have the same licensing scheme that 4.x already has. Yes, it is considered shareware, but it is not limiting or crippled in any way. The only thing you get when it's not registered is the occasional little reminder (and they're usually pretty funny) when you launch the program. There's no forced timed delay with the reminder, either, like there is with apps like GraphicConverter or Pacifist.
You can use OmniWeb for free for as long as you want.
Originally posted by Aquatic
"Peoplesoft blows" as someone here eloquently put it.
that would be me
I have to use it to log my hours up at the computer lab I work at up at BC...
Originally posted by Leonis
Slightly off topic.
One feature that I really want to see in Safari 1.0 is the ability to "emulate" itself and Internet Explorer for Windows. If this feature is included then we will not have to worry about going to some sites that require IE on a PC
It already has that feature.
defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1
Originally posted by serrano
It already has that feature.
defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1
Sometimes all you can do is laugh...
Originally posted by tommy_thompson
We Lose IE..MS can lengthen the gap on the internet.
I can just see M$ laughing it up right now.
It hurts to realize just how dependent Apple is on Microsoft sometimes.
Lousy webmonkeys...