This is why Grandma will never use Linux. It is a slow buggy POS with a GUI that copies one of the worst interfaces: Windows! In fact it's even worse! Sorry to diss Linux and be Devil's Advocate, I've never seen anyone diss Linux but it had to be done. I have Redhat 8 on a 400 mhz AMD k6 Compaq and it just plain blows. I opened up a few OpenOffice apps and they never even loaded. It was ridiculously slow. I imagine OS X 10.0 on an iBook flies compared to this thing taking minutes to display a splash screen. My dad who is the Army Corps of Engineers webmaster set it up so I think it was set up right. I discovered Mah Jong though! And it plays CDs fine. Reminds of Windows, you use it just for solitaire. I don't see why Linux doesn't copy Aqua or Platinum, perhaps because of Apple's Legal Eagles. Redhat looks a lot like Windows. Which is good but bad.
Macs just work. Easily. That's what Brad is saying. Interface is just as important as function. Every Windows or X Windows program behaves differently and just looks fugly. klinux if you get a Mac you'll start to see this and like it!
Though I doubt they will ever share the same bookmarks list unless Apple decides to create a unified central bookmarks repository, if you download the latest nightly of Camino you'll see they've adopted the Safari bookmark system.
It already excist. Its called the favorites folder. (Maybe there's also one for bookmarks I think, but I could be wrong. Im on my GF's PC right now)
The problem is, no browser uses it.. Not even Safari..
Ah, Brad, so much said but the argument is so much simpler.
Here is what you originally stated: "If the UI isn't good, then neither is the app". This essentially distills to the following: function of the object is irrelavant if its form does not look good.
You then later said: "Function is important, but "form" is equally important on Macs." I would agree with that although I can see why some other (Windows, for example) user may not.
Anyone can see that the two statements you made are incongruent with each other.
Originally posted by Aquatic I have Redhat 8 on a 400 mhz AMD k6 Compaq and it just plain blows. I opened up a few OpenOffice apps and they never even loaded. It was ridiculously slow.
Your problem is with the processor. Even a modern low end machine (say Celeron 1.8 ) is easily 5 times the speed of a K6-400. See http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/200...charts-25.html for MP3 encoding speed comparison.
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Originally posted by Aquatic
klinux if you get a Mac you'll start to see this and like it!
Whoa - those are dem fighting words!! I am a proud owner an 2002 iBook and a 20 GB iPod. Thank you very much. How do you want me to prove it?!?
"Here is what you originally stated: "If the UI isn't good, then neither is the app". This essentially distills to the following: function of the object is irrelavant if its form does not look good."
"Here is what you originally stated: "If the UI isn't good, then neither is the app". This essentially distills to the following: function of the object is irrelavant if its form does not look good."
UI is about a lot more than looking good.
Bingo. I think this is the point that klinux is missing.
Shessh - there is just no way of please you people!
Barto: I am running OS X and not any other *nix variants. Want to wager on that?
Brad: I am aware that UI is more than just looking good.
You are, however, avoiding the point I have raised through obfuscation and diversion.
You cannot justify the clearly contradicting statements "If the UI isn't good, then neither is the app" and "Function is important, but "form" is equally important".
You cannot justify the clearly contradicting statements "If the UI isn't good, then neither is the app" and "Function is important, but "form" is equally important".
Those statements are not contradictory. They serve to support each other.
UI is form, right?
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form:
* The shape and structure of an object.
* The essence of something.
* Manners or conduct as governed by etiquette, decorum, or custom.
* Behavior according to a fixed or accepted standard:
That sure sounds like UI to me: the way an app is structured and looks and the way it behaves (or interacts with the user).
So, user interface is "form".
Form is of equal importance to Mac users as is function.
Take out the form by giving an app a terrible, nonstandard UI and you have "half" an app.
Half an app like this is not acceptable (or just borderline) for a number of Mac users.
Thus, if the UI isn't good, then neither is the app.
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Macs just work. Easily. That's what Brad is saying. Interface is just as important as function. Every Windows or X Windows program behaves differently and just looks fugly. klinux if you get a Mac you'll start to see this and like it!
And if you find linux slow, maybe you should get a halfway decent computer!*
Barto
*A K6/400 is roughly equivalent to a Macintosh Performa in speed.
Originally posted by mrmister
Though I doubt they will ever share the same bookmarks list unless Apple decides to create a unified central bookmarks repository, if you download the latest nightly of Camino you'll see they've adopted the Safari bookmark system.
It already excist. Its called the favorites folder. (Maybe there's also one for bookmarks I think, but I could be wrong. Im on my GF's PC right now)
The problem is, no browser uses it.. Not even Safari..
Form and function are inextricably linked--or they should be, if your system is any good.
Here is what you originally stated: "If the UI isn't good, then neither is the app". This essentially distills to the following: function of the object is irrelavant if its form does not look good.
You then later said: "Function is important, but "form" is equally important on Macs." I would agree with that although I can see why some other (Windows, for example) user may not.
Anyone can see that the two statements you made are incongruent with each other.
Originally posted by Aquatic I have Redhat 8 on a 400 mhz AMD k6 Compaq and it just plain blows. I opened up a few OpenOffice apps and they never even loaded. It was ridiculously slow.
Your problem is with the processor. Even a modern low end machine (say Celeron 1.8 ) is easily 5 times the speed of a K6-400. See http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/200...charts-25.html for MP3 encoding speed comparison.
Originally posted by Aquatic
klinux if you get a Mac you'll start to see this and like it!
Whoa - those are dem fighting words!!
UI is about a lot more than looking good.
Originally posted by 1337_5L4Xx0R
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Originally posted by klinux
Whoa - those are dem fighting words!!
Are you running X or YDL (or something crappy like Mandrake or Debian)?
Barto
Originally posted by mrmister
"Here is what you originally stated: "If the UI isn't good, then neither is the app". This essentially distills to the following: function of the object is irrelavant if its form does not look good."
UI is about a lot more than looking good.
Bingo. I think this is the point that klinux is missing.
Barto: I am running OS X and not any other *nix variants. Want to wager on that?
Brad: I am aware that UI is more than just looking good.
You are, however, avoiding the point I have raised through obfuscation and diversion.
You cannot justify the clearly contradicting statements "If the UI isn't good, then neither is the app" and "Function is important, but "form" is equally important".
Originally posted by klinux
You cannot justify the clearly contradicting statements "If the UI isn't good, then neither is the app" and "Function is important, but "form" is equally important".
Those statements are not contradictory. They serve to support each other.
UI is form, right?
form:
* The shape and structure of an object.
* The essence of something.
* Manners or conduct as governed by etiquette, decorum, or custom.
* Behavior according to a fixed or accepted standard:
That sure sounds like UI to me: the way an app is structured and looks and the way it behaves (or interacts with the user).
So, user interface is "form".
Form is of equal importance to Mac users as is function.
Take out the form by giving an app a terrible, nonstandard UI and you have "half" an app.
Half an app like this is not acceptable (or just borderline) for a number of Mac users.
Thus, if the UI isn't good, then neither is the app.
Do you see what I'm trying to say here?