<< So we might see some really small G3s... >>
What became of the G3 + VP (AltiVec) talk. Did IBM once promise this combination? G3 forever...</strong><hr></blockquote>
it should be here at the beginning of 2003 ... SIMD unit, SMP cabable, RapidIO, 1Ghz+ ... i think this will be the G5 everyone is waiting for - and not the 7457RM ...
it should be here at the beginning of 2003 ... SIMD unit, SMP cabable, RapidIO, 1Ghz+ ... i think this will be the G5 everyone is waiting for - and not the 7457RM ...
Edit: i forgot "multicore superscalar"
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I'm not holding my breath, but I sure hope your right. Does anyone know when the Rapid I/O specs were finalized? I thought they were only agreed upon a few months(4-5) ago. Would that be enough time to actually implement in a cpu??
I'm not holding my breath, but I sure hope your right. Does anyone know when the Rapid I/O specs were finalized? I thought they were only agreed upon a few months(4-5) ago. Would that be enough time to actually implement in a cpu??</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think you are thinking about Serialized RapidIO. Parallel (8 and 16bit implementation) RapidIO has been finalized for well over a year.
I think you are thinking about Serialized RapidIO. Parallel (8 and 16bit implementation) RapidIO has been finalized for well over a year.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thank you for the information. Kind of makes me more optimistic.
It would be nice if IBM/Apple had a 'surprise' ace up their sleeve while everybody is occupied with the 970. There may be a special Apple IBM chip which is under serious NDA. Who knows. Millions of secret variations of the 970. I'm kinda still hopin' on a dual core 970 revision just for an uber workstation line. Not that I could stretch into that area...but Apple could for uber creative studio types. They've done well with X-serve. It's reasonable to assume that they'll ship Quad 970s when the chip hits or there after. With so many x86 workstations selling for daft money, Apple would be foolish not to enter the workstation market with such a fine multiprocessor player as the 970.
More realistically, the 970 chip is IT! And bar some amazing white rabbit out of hat stunt, Apple customers get it next Summer.
It leaves a dual 1.5 G4 maximum in the meantime circa next year. Shipping Feb'
If Apple retains the 'all dual' strat', (any bets?) then a low end dual 1 gig may be perceived as good value. Though it would be suicide to buy it with the 970 less than half a year away by the time it ships?
A reworked G3 into a multicore version with a SIMD unit would pack a punch. It's always been an interesting notion. Certainly, the road map offers hints of what we might see. But with Apple's vice like grip on security and NDA it's painful waiting to buy the 'killer' Powermac.
Whether a G3 multicore punch would knock out the Pentium 4 is doubtful. It might be an option for the laptop/consumer lines.
Anything is possible. Apple must have known for sometime that the Moto-boat was dead in the desktop water. That's alot of time to plan and develop an alternative with new allies such as Nvidia and IBM.
A reworked G3 into a multicore version with a SIMD unit would pack a punch. It's always been an interesting notion. Certainly, the road map offers hints of what we might see. But with Apple's vice like grip on security and NDA it's painful waiting to buy the 'killer' Powermac.
Whether a G3 multicore punch would knock out the Pentium 4 is doubtful. It might be an option for the laptop/consumer lines.
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i'd buy a dual-multicore-g3 with rapidIO, DDR-Ram and altivec at 1.5Ghz - immediately!!!!!!!!
it should be here at the beginning of 2003 ... SIMD unit, SMP cabable, RapidIO, 1Ghz+ ... i think this will be the G5 everyone is waiting for - and not the 7457RM ...
Edit: i forgot "multicore superscalar"
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As long as it's not a new design on a new process.
it should be here at the beginning of 2003 ... SIMD unit, SMP cabable, RapidIO, 1Ghz+ ... i think this will be the G5 everyone is waiting for - and not the 7457RM ...
Introducing the 860 series of processors from IBM </strong><hr></blockquote>
That would be nice. I think that IBM has more interest in using the PowerPC archetecture to compete with Intel/Windows than Motorolla has, at least since the death of the clones. And IBM could have a good market for the chips for use in low cost Linex computers, as well as their own systems and Apples.
<strong>Now if only I can get those black helicopters to quit buzzing my house and chase that CIA guy out from under my bed I should be just fine... <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
He'd be FBI, the CIA only operate outside of the mainland US...
I know it seems silly with all the "killer processor next week" rumors we've been seeing for the last year and a half. That's why I didn't post it earlier.
It's just that I read what seem to be credible reports of a new chip that has been sampling since April (never actually identified as the 970), and then the line in IBM's financial report about how the new Fishkill plant is already or nearly up and running, with production scheduled all the way out to next Summer. And the 970 is supposed to debut next Fall? Something just doesn't add up. Maybe I'm missing something.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree. The timeline for the PPC 970 intro seems very conservative. I wouldn't be surprised if we see them sooner.
Also consider that IBM does not have to disclose a timeline that would compromise a customers plans with their products. they could merely disclose their own timeline for the use of those products. Motorola has always done this (to a degree), why should IBM be any different?
Another Moto practice to consider is that they normally don't publicly disclose the speed of the parts to be used by Apple. For example, even now the 7455 is listed with a top end of 1 GHz.
Could IBM be doing the same with the PPC 970? Disclosing specs of a low-end PPC 970, while supplying Apple with a much higher specced PPC 970?
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<< So we might see some really small G3s... >>
What became of the G3 + VP (AltiVec) talk. Did IBM once promise this combination? G3 forever...
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<< So we might see some really small G3s... >>
What became of the G3 + VP (AltiVec) talk. Did IBM once promise this combination? G3 forever...</strong><hr></blockquote>
it should be here at the beginning of 2003 ... SIMD unit, SMP cabable, RapidIO, 1Ghz+ ... i think this will be the G5 everyone is waiting for - and not the 7457RM ...
Edit: i forgot "multicore superscalar"
[ 10-31-2002: Message edited by: Krassy ]</p>
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it should be here at the beginning of 2003 ... SIMD unit, SMP cabable, RapidIO, 1Ghz+ ... i think this will be the G5 everyone is waiting for - and not the 7457RM ...
Edit: i forgot "multicore superscalar"
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I'm not holding my breath, but I sure hope your right. Does anyone know when the Rapid I/O specs were finalized? I thought they were only agreed upon a few months(4-5) ago. Would that be enough time to actually implement in a cpu??
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I'm not holding my breath, but I sure hope your right. Does anyone know when the Rapid I/O specs were finalized? I thought they were only agreed upon a few months(4-5) ago. Would that be enough time to actually implement in a cpu??</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think you are thinking about Serialized RapidIO. Parallel (8 and 16bit implementation) RapidIO has been finalized for well over a year.
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I think you are thinking about Serialized RapidIO. Parallel (8 and 16bit implementation) RapidIO has been finalized for well over a year.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thank you for the information. Kind of makes me more optimistic.
More realistically, the 970 chip is IT! And bar some amazing white rabbit out of hat stunt, Apple customers get it next Summer.
It leaves a dual 1.5 G4 maximum in the meantime circa next year. Shipping Feb'
If Apple retains the 'all dual' strat', (any bets?) then a low end dual 1 gig may be perceived as good value. Though it would be suicide to buy it with the 970 less than half a year away by the time it ships?
A reworked G3 into a multicore version with a SIMD unit would pack a punch. It's always been an interesting notion. Certainly, the road map offers hints of what we might see. But with Apple's vice like grip on security and NDA it's painful waiting to buy the 'killer' Powermac.
Whether a G3 multicore punch would knock out the Pentium 4 is doubtful. It might be an option for the laptop/consumer lines.
Anything is possible. Apple must have known for sometime that the Moto-boat was dead in the desktop water. That's alot of time to plan and develop an alternative with new allies such as Nvidia and IBM.
Lemon Bon Bon
[ 10-31-2002: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]
[ 10-31-2002: Message edited by: Lemon Bon Bon ]</p>
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A reworked G3 into a multicore version with a SIMD unit would pack a punch. It's always been an interesting notion. Certainly, the road map offers hints of what we might see. But with Apple's vice like grip on security and NDA it's painful waiting to buy the 'killer' Powermac.
Whether a G3 multicore punch would knock out the Pentium 4 is doubtful. It might be an option for the laptop/consumer lines.
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i'd buy a dual-multicore-g3 with rapidIO, DDR-Ram and altivec at 1.5Ghz - immediately!!!!!!!!
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it should be here at the beginning of 2003 ... SIMD unit, SMP cabable, RapidIO, 1Ghz+ ... i think this will be the G5 everyone is waiting for - and not the 7457RM ...
Edit: i forgot "multicore superscalar"
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As long as it's not a new design on a new process.
In fact, it will probably be called G3+1 or more...
engpjp
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it should be here at the beginning of 2003 ... SIMD unit, SMP cabable, RapidIO, 1Ghz+ ... i think this will be the G5 everyone is waiting for - and not the 7457RM ...
Edit: i forgot "multicore superscalar"
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Introducing the 860 series of processors from IBM
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Introducing the 860 series of processors from IBM
That would be nice. I think that IBM has more interest in using the PowerPC archetecture to compete with Intel/Windows than Motorolla has, at least since the death of the clones. And IBM could have a good market for the chips for use in low cost Linex computers, as well as their own systems and Apples.
<strong>The G3 core will need considerable reworking to be able to run dual or more....
In fact, it will probably be called G3+1 or more...
engpjp</strong><hr></blockquote>
or otherwise known as a G4
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or otherwise known as a G4
Yes, but the G4 doesn't have Rapid I/O interconnects, and n-way Crossbar core connect and isn't multicore superscalar.
What doesn't jive is Apple being on the Hypertransport bandwagon and the proposed IBM chip uses Rapid I/O.
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[ 11-04-2002: Message edited by: rickag ]</p>
<strong>Now if only I can get those black helicopters to quit buzzing my house and chase that CIA guy out from under my bed I should be just fine... <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
He'd be FBI, the CIA only operate outside of the mainland US...
<strong>What doesn't jive is Apple being on the Hypertransport bandwagon and the proposed IBM chip uses Rapid I/O.
[ 11-04-2002: Message edited by: rickag ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Would the mythical ApplePI be a way of resolving this anomaly?
Or would the 970 (G6?)/Pro Line go for HT and the Consumers use the enhanced G3 as discussed above (let's just call it a G5 shall we) with RapidIO....
Also maybe IBM are a bit ahead ofthe game and the new G3's might ship in the iBook on wednesday?....I know but I AM allowed to specualte!
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He'd be FBI, the CIA only operate outside of the mainland US...</strong><hr></blockquote>
And that's exactly what they want you to think.
(tig)
I wouldn't be paranoid if they weren't out to get me...
And, they list speeds up to 1GHz. - is this available now or a projected top speed??
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I know it seems silly with all the "killer processor next week" rumors we've been seeing for the last year and a half. That's why I didn't post it earlier.
It's just that I read what seem to be credible reports of a new chip that has been sampling since April (never actually identified as the 970), and then the line in IBM's financial report about how the new Fishkill plant is already or nearly up and running, with production scheduled all the way out to next Summer. And the 970 is supposed to debut next Fall? Something just doesn't add up. Maybe I'm missing something.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree. The timeline for the PPC 970 intro seems very conservative. I wouldn't be surprised if we see them sooner.
Could IBM be doing the same with the PPC 970? Disclosing specs of a low-end PPC 970, while supplying Apple with a much higher specced PPC 970?