This record is no more broken than any number of LP's playing on this site, you just don't like the part whereupon it happens to be stuck -- the truth. It hurts, but you shouldn't take it personally, Apple's increasing suckage has nothing to do with the community that follows it.
Mostly because you're missing the point, I think. I'm not saying Apple isn't going to be using these chips, or that there isn't a market for them. I'm just saying that either rumors of previous Apple "prototype boxes" based on the 970 have been greatly exagerated or the 970 is much closer to full scale production than IBM admits.
In either case, we will see the 970 made available at the same time as a memory controller for it becomes available since, as you say, it's not much use without one. The only question is... when?</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, I'm not missing the point. IBM has announced that the 970 is going to reach full production 2H '03. Its all but assured that Apple will use this processor and its a pretty safe assumption that if they are going to use it they have been working with IBM on developing a new chipset. They have likely had prototypes to work with and they will be getting many samples when the thing goes into sampling Q1. Given the integration time and the testing time it is not unreasonable to assume that Apple will have 970-based machines ready for 2H '03... and that can mean July 1st.
Everybody seems to either like to dream that somehow Apple will manage to get machines out in the spring, or that they are incompetent and won't be able to get them out until '04. This ignores history -- the G4, for example, shipped pretty much immediately after the 7400 went into production and the same was true of the most other PPC chips. The G3 was a little late, but that was due to a misguided hardware project within Apple, which hopefully won't be repeated anytime soon. Based on past summers, the most likely timeline is that we'll see the new Apple machines in August/September, and until there is some real news to the contrary anything else is just baseless speculation.
I agree with the August-September time frame. When the last G3 came out for the iBook, it took 4 month from sampling to product shipping, January to May. However, that was a simple update, not an entirely new processor. Six months at the very least, I believe, likely a little longer. Apple does not want any surprises with this one.
I've written this four times, and it just comes down to the stupid lack of bandwidth in the motherboard and other subsystems, right?
Apple is hamstrung (hamstringed?) by the 167 mhz bandwidth limit of current PPCs.
I assume they could create the necessary bandwidth in the rest of the motherboard if the processor could take it - I mean PC motherboard makers are up to what, 533 Mhz, double-pumped...?
So it all comes down to Apple's failure to plan ahead. The fact that the mobo systems would be choked by the processor HAD to be obvious at Apple YEARS ago. How does a PC manufacturer fix a problematic supplier? They replace the supplier.
Why didn't Apple actively do so? OR why did they FAIL so miserably if they did act?
ok I know i"m a noob but I went out with a date with this girl tonight and she said she was friends with her last bf and he worked at motorola here in austin...he said that new top secret crap from motorola has been especially made for mac and told her to wait till january for her to buy her new ibook, he was an person that worked in the chip design part or somethen. I just wanted to know if that had to do witht this "970" you guys talk about? the rest of the date was from hell but I have to say at least she liked mac's. Here in dell land its far and few between sometiems maybe someone out there knows something!
<strong>ok I know i"m a noob but I went out with a date with this girl tonight and she said she was friends with her last bf and he worked at motorola here in austin...he said that new top secret crap from motorola has been especially made for mac and told her to wait till january for her to buy her new ibook, he was an person that worked in the chip design part or somethen. I just wanted to know if that had to do witht this "970" you guys talk about? the rest of the date was from hell but I have to say at least she liked mac's. Here in dell land its far and few between sometiems maybe someone out there knows something!
god how that takes me back. doesn anyone else remember those stories. like i got this guy from apple liquored up and he said that the g6 is coming b4 the g4 just t confuse people. ahhh the good old days b4 the blackout.
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<strong>Apple's increasing suckage has nothing to do with the community that follows it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What exactly is so bad? iPod?.....no.....OS X?.....no.......so what is the suckage referring to?
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Mostly because you're missing the point, I think. I'm not saying Apple isn't going to be using these chips, or that there isn't a market for them. I'm just saying that either rumors of previous Apple "prototype boxes" based on the 970 have been greatly exagerated or the 970 is much closer to full scale production than IBM admits.
In either case, we will see the 970 made available at the same time as a memory controller for it becomes available since, as you say, it's not much use without one. The only question is... when?</strong><hr></blockquote>
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No, I'm not missing the point. IBM has announced that the 970 is going to reach full production 2H '03. Its all but assured that Apple will use this processor and its a pretty safe assumption that if they are going to use it they have been working with IBM on developing a new chipset. They have likely had prototypes to work with and they will be getting many samples when the thing goes into sampling Q1. Given the integration time and the testing time it is not unreasonable to assume that Apple will have 970-based machines ready for 2H '03... and that can mean July 1st.
Everybody seems to either like to dream that somehow Apple will manage to get machines out in the spring, or that they are incompetent and won't be able to get them out until '04. This ignores history -- the G4, for example, shipped pretty much immediately after the 7400 went into production and the same was true of the most other PPC chips. The G3 was a little late, but that was due to a misguided hardware project within Apple, which hopefully won't be repeated anytime soon. Based on past summers, the most likely timeline is that we'll see the new Apple machines in August/September, and until there is some real news to the contrary anything else is just baseless speculation.
I've written this four times, and it just comes down to the stupid lack of bandwidth in the motherboard and other subsystems, right?
Apple is hamstrung (hamstringed?) by the 167 mhz bandwidth limit of current PPCs.
I assume they could create the necessary bandwidth in the rest of the motherboard if the processor could take it - I mean PC motherboard makers are up to what, 533 Mhz, double-pumped...?
So it all comes down to Apple's failure to plan ahead. The fact that the mobo systems would be choked by the processor HAD to be obvious at Apple YEARS ago. How does a PC manufacturer fix a problematic supplier? They replace the supplier.
Why didn't Apple actively do so? OR why did they FAIL so miserably if they did act?
ARG.
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-Craig
<strong>ok I know i"m a noob but I went out with a date with this girl tonight and she said she was friends with her last bf and he worked at motorola here in austin...he said that new top secret crap from motorola has been especially made for mac and told her to wait till january for her to buy her new ibook, he was an person that worked in the chip design part or somethen. I just wanted to know if that had to do witht this "970" you guys talk about? the rest of the date was from hell but I have to say at least she liked mac's. Here in dell land its far and few between sometiems
-Craig</strong><hr></blockquote>
Dell chicks are easy.
<strong>maybe someone out there knows something!</strong><hr></blockquote>
That is most likely the case, yes.
god how that takes me back. doesn anyone else remember those stories. like i got this guy from apple liquored up and he said that the g6 is coming b4 the g4 just t confuse people. ahhh the good old days b4 the blackout.