Indeed, any company that expects to be paid for its product or service is bad.
I don't think anyone was saying that. It's that there is a growing gap between the actual cost of the product and what we are charged, while the quality is dropping and/or alredy bad.
fact is i'm paying for pipe. if i have 5 machines all on one pipe, i'm still not using any more than what i've paid for.
"OK, your water service is all hooked up now. I just need you to sign right here on this line saying that you promise to never have more than one toilet hooked up to it."
Comcast about a year ago, figured out what the airport mac address configuration was, and locked them all out. not sure how they worked that out.
No airport hubs work with comcast? My wireless and wired routers can copy/create all the MAC addresses I want. I'm surprised Apple's hub dosn't do that.
/me finds big spanner, slams all the american ISP over the head and throws it in the works....
Cable Company: "Well Mr. Anderson, you signed a contract saying you would only hook one computer upto our service."
Neo: "Yup, that's correct."
Cable Company: "But, Mr Anderson, you have 3 Powebooks in your house. All accesing the internet."
Neo: "Yup, that is also correct."
Cable Company: "So you breached your contract."
Neo: "No. You see my adsl/airport/router, is a computer. It just dosn't have a keyboard or screen, and that is what is connected to YOUR system. My other machines are connected to MY router...."
that or buy a NAT box. (if that wasn't the suggestion above)
absolutely no way they can tell how many machines are behind it.
Actually, they can. There was a white paper on SlashDot a few months ago that described a method to tell how many machines existed behind NAT. It was quite interesting. And it worked.
Shaw Cable in B.C. is cool. They let you hook up multiple computers (not behind a router) and don't charge extra, for up to i think 3 or 4 computers.
Shaw is Evil to get Show on Demand you need Shaw High speed cable whiich is like saying to view CNN.com you need a PC.
I have heard that Shaw sends out nasty letters for going voer 5GB/month.
I have been on ADSL since January 27, 1998, and was kicked off the old school network (4mbps down 640kbps up) last July (sniff sniff), and put on the new network 2.5mbps down/900kbps up.
the new network is rock solid, and is much better then cable.
You are either in some obscure place in the middle of nowhere or pulling my leg. What ISP? and Where?
The great force of socialism from below
I live in an area where almost all apartments (3000) are owned jointly in small unions (150-300 apartments per union). So all the smaller unions stuck their heads together, put up a lan, phone lines and cable tv covering the entire area. Then we buy the TV signal, a rather large internet line and phone lines out and act as service provider to ourselves.
Phone line and tv signal is $6 each
The installation of the lines was cheap (costed about $500 per apartment or $7/month that I get back when/if I sell my apartment)
that or buy a NAT box. (if that wasn't the suggestion above)
absolutely no way they can tell how many machines are behind it.
That depends on the NAT box. There is a method of looking at TCP/IP sequence numbers to determine how many computers are behind it. Some Unixes (I think BSD is one) obfuscate this value as well as the other necessary ones. Others don't.
Your guess is as good as mine on what your router is running, and whether or not it properly hides what's behind it.
/me finds big spanner, slams all the american ISP over the head and throws it in the works....
Cable Company: "Well Mr. Anderson, you signed a contract saying you would only hook one computer upto our service."
Neo: "Yup, that's correct."
Cable Company: "But, Mr Anderson, you have 3 Powebooks in your house. All accesing the internet."
Neo: "Yup, that is also correct."
Cable Company: "So you breached your contract."
Neo: "No. You see my adsl/airport/router, is a computer. It just dosn't have a keyboard or screen, and that is what is connected to YOUR system. My other machines are connected to MY router...."
If you are behind a router/firewall how could anyone determine how many PCs/Macs you have connected to the given router?
Only one MAC address is sent when you use a router. The computers MAC address is replaced by the router's when it travels to the ISP.
MAC address is used on ethernet only. Once your packet crosses to another medium (like the DSL link, or a T1 link, or even to another ethernet segment in many cases) it's discarded.
Shaw is Evil to get Show on Demand you need Shaw High speed cable whiich is like saying to view CNN.com you need a PC.
I have heard that Shaw sends out nasty letters for going voer 5GB/month.
I have been on ADSL since January 27, 1998, and was kicked off the old school network (4mbps down 640kbps up) last July (sniff sniff), and put on the new network 2.5mbps down/900kbps up.
the new network is rock solid, and is much better then cable.
Hmm. Shaw in West Van is fast and reliable and cheap and they don't send me any nasty letters even though i've been running a public server for the last 3.5 years..
MAC address is used on ethernet only. Once your packet crosses to another medium (like the DSL link, or a T1 link, or even to another ethernet segment in many cases) it's discarded.
That how can some ISP's (Cable Modem) limit access based on the MAC addresses of your computers and not the modem? The only way to get around that is to clone yourcomputer's MAC address.
Comcast about a year ago, figured out what the airport mac address configuration was, and locked them all out. not sure how they worked that out.
Whahhhhhhh!!!!
Prior to moving to East bay area I had Charter Communications as my ISP. Very happy with them. I had my G4 setup as the base-station for my iBook. Due to having relocated to East bay I had to switch to AT&T. The guy comes over to install the service, runs the cable line to my room, connects the modem and hands me a CD. I said, "what is this CD for? Macs don't need this all I have to do is set my TCP/IP control panel, right?" "Oh no", he said, "You need to install the software or you won't be able to go online." I'm thinking to myself, "What a moron." Come to find out he was right. I tried setting the TCP/IP. NOTHING! Into the tray the CD goes, bla bla install the so called needed software. Didn't work, so he futzes around with the network and we are finally on the internet. "Cool, whatever" I'm thinking, at least I'm finally online. He leaves and I try setting up the Airport network for my iBook. Airport starts up and crashes giving me an error. Hmmm, weird I'm thinking. I try a few other things... Airport will NOT even launch! My only conclusion was that the bastards disabled my airport with whatever was installed. I didn't think much of it because I was selling my iBook anyway and didn't really need Airport.
But, I've always wondered why it is that since having been on AT&T my Airport has stopped working. Does anyone know if this was done intentionally by whatever was installed on my comp from the AT&T CD?
And it isn't gonna get any better folks. New FCC regulations and restrictions (or lack thereof) will pave the way for companies like AOL Time Warner to buy out companies like Earthlink and put restrictions on EVERYONE's internet and cable services. Of course the lack of restrictions don't stop there, but that's another forum.
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Originally posted by DIB
Indeed, any company that expects to be paid for its product or service is bad.
I don't think anyone was saying that. It's that there is a growing gap between the actual cost of the product and what we are charged, while the quality is dropping and/or alredy bad.
Originally posted by Ebby
You are either in some obscure place in the middle of nowhere or pulling my leg. What ISP? and Where?
I know in Japan they have higher speeds for cheaper, but I didn't know that high for that cheap
Originally posted by alcimedes
fact is i'm paying for pipe. if i have 5 machines all on one pipe, i'm still not using any more than what i've paid for.
Can you imagine?
Originally posted by skot
Comcast about a year ago, figured out what the airport mac address configuration was, and locked them all out. not sure how they worked that out.
No airport hubs work with comcast?
Cable Company: "Well Mr. Anderson, you signed a contract saying you would only hook one computer upto our service."
Neo: "Yup, that's correct."
Cable Company: "But, Mr Anderson, you have 3 Powebooks in your house. All accesing the internet."
Neo: "Yup, that is also correct."
Cable Company: "So you breached your contract."
Neo: "No. You see my adsl/airport/router, is a computer. It just dosn't have a keyboard or screen, and that is what is connected to YOUR system. My other machines are connected to MY router...."
Originally posted by alcimedes
that or buy a NAT box. (if that wasn't the suggestion above)
absolutely no way they can tell how many machines are behind it.
Actually, they can. There was a white paper on SlashDot a few months ago that described a method to tell how many machines existed behind NAT. It was quite interesting. And it worked.
Originally posted by robo
Shaw Cable in B.C. is cool. They let you hook up multiple computers (not behind a router) and don't charge extra, for up to i think 3 or 4 computers.
Shaw is Evil to get Show on Demand you need Shaw High speed cable whiich is like saying to view CNN.com you need a PC.
I have heard that Shaw sends out nasty letters for going voer 5GB/month.
I have been on ADSL since January 27, 1998, and was kicked off the old school network (4mbps down 640kbps up) last July (sniff sniff), and put on the new network 2.5mbps down/900kbps up.
the new network is rock solid, and is much better then cable.
Originally posted by Ebby
You are either in some obscure place in the middle of nowhere or pulling my leg. What ISP? and Where?
The great force of socialism from below
I live in an area where almost all apartments (3000) are owned jointly in small unions (150-300 apartments per union). So all the smaller unions stuck their heads together, put up a lan, phone lines and cable tv covering the entire area. Then we buy the TV signal, a rather large internet line and phone lines out and act as service provider to ourselves.
Phone line and tv signal is $6 each
The installation of the lines was cheap (costed about $500 per apartment or $7/month that I get back when/if I sell my apartment)
So for phone, tv/radio and internet: $27/month
Originally posted by alcimedes
that or buy a NAT box. (if that wasn't the suggestion above)
absolutely no way they can tell how many machines are behind it.
That depends on the NAT box. There is a method of looking at TCP/IP sequence numbers to determine how many computers are behind it. Some Unixes (I think BSD is one) obfuscate this value as well as the other necessary ones. Others don't.
Your guess is as good as mine on what your router is running, and whether or not it properly hides what's behind it.
Originally posted by Gargoyle
/me finds big spanner, slams all the american ISP over the head and throws it in the works....
Cable Company: "Well Mr. Anderson, you signed a contract saying you would only hook one computer upto our service."
Neo: "Yup, that's correct."
Cable Company: "But, Mr Anderson, you have 3 Powebooks in your house. All accesing the internet."
Neo: "Yup, that is also correct."
Cable Company: "So you breached your contract."
Neo: "No. You see my adsl/airport/router, is a computer. It just dosn't have a keyboard or screen, and that is what is connected to YOUR system. My other machines are connected to MY router...."
If you are behind a router/firewall how could anyone determine how many PCs/Macs you have connected to the given router?
Originally posted by Dave K.
If you are behind a router/firewall how could anyone determine how many PCs/Macs you have connected to the given router?
Am I not sending my MAC adress when I make requests?
Originally posted by Anders
Am I not sending my MAC adress when I make requests?
Only one MAC address is sent when you use a router. The computers MAC address is replaced by the router's when it travels to the ISP.
Originally posted by Ebby
Only one MAC address is sent when you use a router. The computers MAC address is replaced by the router's when it travels to the ISP.
MAC address is used on ethernet only. Once your packet crosses to another medium (like the DSL link, or a T1 link, or even to another ethernet segment in many cases) it's discarded.
John
Originally posted by Mac Write
Shaw is Evil to get Show on Demand you need Shaw High speed cable whiich is like saying to view CNN.com you need a PC.
I have heard that Shaw sends out nasty letters for going voer 5GB/month.
I have been on ADSL since January 27, 1998, and was kicked off the old school network (4mbps down 640kbps up) last July (sniff sniff), and put on the new network 2.5mbps down/900kbps up.
the new network is rock solid, and is much better then cable.
Hmm. Shaw in West Van is fast and reliable and cheap and they don't send me any nasty letters even though i've been running a public server for the last 3.5 years..
Originally posted by John Whitney
MAC address is used on ethernet only. Once your packet crosses to another medium (like the DSL link, or a T1 link, or even to another ethernet segment in many cases) it's discarded.
That how can some ISP's (Cable Modem) limit access based on the MAC addresses of your computers and not the modem? The only way to get around that is to clone yourcomputer's MAC address.
EDIT: Oh, nevermind. I answered my own question.
Originally posted by skot
Comcast about a year ago, figured out what the airport mac address configuration was, and locked them all out. not sure how they worked that out.
Whahhhhhhh!!!!
Prior to moving to East bay area I had Charter Communications as my ISP. Very happy with them. I had my G4 setup as the base-station for my iBook. Due to having relocated to East bay I had to switch to AT&T. The guy comes over to install the service, runs the cable line to my room, connects the modem and hands me a CD. I said, "what is this CD for? Macs don't need this all I have to do is set my TCP/IP control panel, right?" "Oh no", he said, "You need to install the software or you won't be able to go online." I'm thinking to myself, "What a moron." Come to find out he was right. I tried setting the TCP/IP. NOTHING! Into the tray the CD goes, bla bla install the so called needed software. Didn't work, so he futzes around with the network and we are finally on the internet. "Cool, whatever" I'm thinking, at least I'm finally online. He leaves and I try setting up the Airport network for my iBook. Airport starts up and crashes giving me an error. Hmmm, weird I'm thinking. I try a few other things... Airport will NOT even launch! My only conclusion was that the bastards disabled my airport with whatever was installed. I didn't think much of it because I was selling my iBook anyway and didn't really need Airport.
But, I've always wondered why it is that since having been on AT&T my Airport has stopped working. Does anyone know if this was done intentionally by whatever was installed on my comp from the AT&T CD?
Start telling your friends and family about this.