Apple is going to release G5 in MWSF
Despite many of you continue to expect Motorola to roll out G4-7457 due to recent road map leaks from Moto itself, it looks more than certain that Apple top line machines will sport PPC 970 badged as G5. It is very obvious since IBM has now confirmed 970 is Altivec compatible, and Apple is currently the only PC maker employs Altivec. Furthermore, IBM has stated that 970 will be available up to 1.8 GHZ in Q3 2002, gives us a big clue, what will happen before hand. With IBM fab capacity capable of handling sub .13 micron equipment, 970 is definitely going to be release earlier. IBM has disclosed 970 in MPF which gives them more than 3 months to ramp up the chips for PowerMac, even probably have enough quantity to preannounce DP PM. Also is very clear, if Apple chooses to use Motorola 7457, clock speed will definitely cross 1.3 GHZ perhaps 1.4 with a little bit of overclocking. With IBM clockspeed of only up to 1.8 GHZ max, giving Apple marketing a difficult task to manuever the numbering game. Also 970 is perfect right now, because it is low wattage up to 1.4 GHZ and perfect for DP. Since 970 is deep and wide, giving Apple a perfect advantage to market their pro machines. So Apple is definitely not going to use Motorola higher speed chip due to difficultly in marketing two lines of PowerPC processors. Motorola will release their 7457 anyway because PowerBook needs .13 chips to keep itself cool and 512K of L2 and more L3 will keep Apple competitve compared to Wintel world.
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This year there is an eerie silence. Even I think that the 970 based machines will be launched. NO ONE IS EXPECTING THEM. That is the key
<strong>IBM has stated that 970 will be available up to 1.8 GHZ in Q3 2002</strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>Originally posted by tiramisubomb:
IBM has stated that 970 will be available up to 1.8 GHZ in Q3 2002</strong><hr></blockquote>
No they didn't. They said the PPC970 would be generally available in Q3 2002 and that the PP970 would eventually scale to 1.8GHz. Nowhere have they said when high end parts would be available.
<strong>Furthermore, IBM has stated that 970 will be available up to 1.8 GHZ in Q3 2002...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Where? Give us a link.
It is eerily silent right now, no clues as to what may happen with new machines. This means one of two things:
No new machines.
Apple just got extraordinarily good at suppressing leaks.
Let's look at the known facts:
It is *very* quiet.
The last round of PowerMac speed bumps put dual processors in all desktop machines.
Most people seem to be talking about 970s being available in volume in about six months time.
Coincidentally Apple has recently stated a 9.x bootable desktop will be available for at least another six months.
There doesn't appear to be specific new system builds in development.
So, my feeling is that we're not going to see 970s in PowerMacs before MWNY. This is somewhat mitigated by Apple putting dual processors in all desktops - which has only happened as a stop-gap in the past. Though perhps this time they no they're going nowhere fast before the Autumn of 2003.
Thinking that dual processors really eat into the profit margins at Apple, the latest accounts reveal that gross margins are up, from 23% to 28%.
No 970s at MWSF 2003 - confirmed (though I would love to be wrong).
<strong>Despite many of you continue to expect Motorola to roll out G4-7457 due to recent road map leaks from Moto itself, it looks more than certain that Apple top line machines will sport PPC 970 badged as G5. It is very obvious since IBM has now confirmed 970 is Altivec compatible, and Apple is currently the only PC maker employs Altivec. Furthermore, IBM has stated that 970 will be available up to 1.8 GHZ in Q3 2002, gives us a big clue, what will happen before hand. With IBM fab capacity capable of handling sub .13 micron equipment, 970 is definitely going to be release earlier. IBM has disclosed 970 in MPF which gives them more than 3 months to ramp up the chips for PowerMac, even probably have enough quantity to preannounce DP PM. Also is very clear, if Apple chooses to use Motorola 7457, clock speed will definitely cross 1.3 GHZ perhaps 1.4 with a little bit of overclocking. With IBM clockspeed of only up to 1.8 GHZ max, giving Apple marketing a difficult task to manuever the numbering game. Also 970 is perfect right now, because it is low wattage up to 1.4 GHZ and perfect for DP. Since 970 is deep and wide, giving Apple a perfect advantage to market their pro machines. So Apple is definitely not going to use Motorola higher speed chip due to difficultly in marketing two lines of PowerPC processors. Motorola will release their 7457 anyway because PowerBook needs .13 chips to keep itself cool and 512K of L2 and more L3 will keep Apple competitve compared to Wintel world.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The PowerPC 970 is designed in IBM 0.13-micron CMOS silicon-on-insulator (SOI) technology and will be manufactured in IBM's new state-of-the-art 300-mm facility in East Fishkill, NY. Sampling is scheduled to begin in the second quarter of 2003 with production expected in the second half of 2003.
<a href="http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/powerpc/newsletter/dec2002/newproductfocus2.html"; target="_blank">http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/powerpc/newsletter/dec2002/newproductfocus2.html</a>;
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I'm not even too sure we'll see a PowerMac update at MWSF.... it may be later in January or February. The next update will surely be G4 based, perhaps using Motorola's newest revision with faster bus speeds and possibly true DDR support.
My prediction.... PPC 970 shown to developers at WWDC 03 in behind closed doors presentation. Apple works closesly with several third parties to update big-name apps to 64-bit..... and the PowerMac based on the PPC 970 is released at MWNY 03 or Seybold SF 03
<strong>The 7457 has already been finalized. In no way will it have 'true' DDR support, but a 200MHz bus (1.6GBps) may help with the memory to CPU bottleneck. I'm trying to dig up more info on the 7457.</strong><hr></blockquote>
could have sworn someone posted a PDF a few months ago that listed DDR support for it. Perhaps it was for another revision <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Yeah , yeah, I know you're trying to get everyone to check out your thread but frankly there is no official word from Apple regarding a G5 at MWSF.
No offense but, perhaps a simple question mark at the end of your title might work as well. I'm just sick of all these "confirmed" and unsubstantiated blanket statements.
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...This year there is an eerie silence. Even I think that the 970 based machines will be launched. NO ONE IS EXPECTING THEM. That is the key</strong><hr></blockquote>
There's absolutely no reason to have the slightest hope for a 970 based machine at MWSF. We may as well end up with no mayor hardware announcements at all. The eerie silence only indicates that no one has a clue. Anyway though, I still hope we get a brand new iDevice.
<strong>I agree, satchmo. very sensational of the thread starter. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
agreed, i came in thinking he had evidence
Like that one dude who said IBM never stated that the chip wouldn't be around till Q3 2003. Umm.. yeah they did.
I would LOVE to have it at MWSF, but im not going to keep my feet firmly planeted in reality and my head well out of the clouds. Aint gonna happen. No way, no how. Get used to it.
<strong>I firmly believe IBM can deliver the chips in lower frequency earlier, perhaps as soon as Q103.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Based on what evidence? Is it based on what you want to happen? Bah, how religious of you to believe without any evidence.
<strong>Sure, u guys have logic that you all believe it won't happen but no body knows for sure. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes we do. IBM told everyone flat out, Q3. If they beat that, then it'll be Q2.
We absolutely know for sure based on facts that there will be no G5 at MWSF. No speculation, no special "logic". Just cold, hard facts. Your the jackass here, buddy.