i think i understand now, president bush thinks he's in a movie

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or the WWE.

he asks the iraqis to "bring them on".

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if i was the parent of a g.i. in iraq, i'd be plenty pissed.
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  • Reply 1 of 57
    northgatenorthgate Posts: 4,461member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar

    or the WWE.

    he asks the iraqis to "bring them on".

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    if i was the parent of a g.i. in iraq, i'd be plenty pissed.




    Part of me thinks he should use some tough talk. The other part of me thinks he should shut the f*ck up!
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  • Reply 2 of 57
    murbotmurbot Posts: 5,262member
    Enough of the phony, macho rhetoric. The US should be focused on a long-term security plan that reduces the danger to military personnel.
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  • Reply 3 of 57
    fellowshipfellowship Posts: 5,038member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by tonton

    He's trying to appeal to the idiot set again, the faction from which he draws the majority of votes.



    I'm interested in seeing how Groverat responds to the "Bring 'em on" comments.



    These are clearly not in support of American troops.




    I agree Bush is a little too full of himself with the "authority" he tends to speak with and the "tone" in which he does such.



    I think Reagan did a great job of being a tough guy but with a calm manner about it. Bush would like to be a Reagan but I must say from my perspective Bush is not in the same ballpark. Bush is too heavy handed and is intoxicated with the power of his position.



    What would be better in my mind would be if Bush would speak for the world community and with the world community on matters such as a style we would find from Tony Blair for example.



    Just my two cents,



    Fellows
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  • Reply 4 of 57
    kraig911kraig911 Posts: 912member
    ahh yes... a complete headline taken from CNN without actually hearing all he had to say... gee golly thats just great. Lets take everything the media shoves down are throats and take it for granted that all that president bush says is 3 words at a time...



    if only there was a news format without headlines....
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  • Reply 5 of 57
    dual867dual867 Posts: 31member
    So.....What else did he say? Was there some other context that these comments could have been taken in? Maybe he was talking about puting in the first Baghdad Krispy Kreme location?



    -Dual867
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  • Reply 6 of 57
    andersanders Posts: 6,523member
    Tonton: If you haven´t´noticed it most of kraig911s posts are like this. Defend Bush against all critisism without examine the legatimicy of it.
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  • Reply 7 of 57
    Quote:

    Originally posted by kraig911

    ahh yes... a complete headline taken from CNN without actually hearing all he had to say... gee golly thats just great. Lets take everything the media shoves down are throats and take it for granted that all that president bush says is 3 words at a time...



    if only there was a news format without headlines....




    apparently you didn't hear all his comments (i did) or you wouldn't be posting such a lame-ass defense.

    yeah the rest of his comments weren't as superbly stupid as those three words. but even couched in those comments, those three words were pretty dumb.
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  • Reply 8 of 57
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    My puppets demand validation from their master.



    My reaction to Bush's statement: *yawn*



    Do I think it will encourage attacks/terrorism? No. The motive of the terrorist isn't to attack a prepared and confident force. Basic human psychology down to primitive animal evolution shows us that the best way to stop attacks is not to slink away but to puff up those tailfeathers and scream very loudly



    With that said, do I think this will discourage attacks/terrorism? No.



    I don't really care either way. To me this is a non-issue.



    I do not see how this makes life in Iraq more dangerous for the troops. I sincerely doubt a horde of terrorists are going to say "OH YEAH!? WE'LL SHOW YOU!" and then blow themselves up if they weren't already inclined to do so.



    And now I once again assert that believing that is racist. The same argument I made before the war against the idea that terrorism would explode because of the invasion. *ahem*



    Back to your melodrama, puppets.
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  • Reply 9 of 57
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,069member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by groverat

    My puppets demand validation from their master.



    My reaction to Bush's statement: *yawn*



    Do I think it will encourage attacks/terrorism? No. The motive of the terrorist isn't to attack a prepared and confident force. Basic human psychology down to primitive animal evolution shows us that the best way to stop attacks is not to slink away but to puff up those tailfeathers and scream very loudly



    With that said, do I think this will discourage attacks/terrorism? No.



    I don't really care either way. To me this is a non-issue.



    I do not see how this makes life in Iraq more dangerous for the troops. I sincerely doubt a horde of terrorists are going to say "OH YEAH!? WE'LL SHOW YOU!" and then blow themselves up if they weren't already inclined to do so.



    And now I once again assert that believing that is racist. The same argument I made before the war against the idea that terrorism would explode because of the invasion. *ahem*



    Back to your melodrama, puppets.




    Well, said goverat. Let's hyper-analyze everything Bush says and does!
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  • Reply 10 of 57
    Quote:

    Originally posted by SDW2001

    Well, said goverat. Let's hyper-analyze everything Bush says and does!



    he's the president of the united states, and his comments were improper.

    there are real boys and girls, men and women over there losing real lives. if he'd have said in private to a group of military personnel that would be different.

    i try to have respect for our president, even president bush, but he's making it hard.
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  • Reply 11 of 57
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    Explain to me how it is disrespectful to them.
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  • Reply 12 of 57
    paulpaul Posts: 5,278member
    because it seems (from just that statement) that he doesn't care about the lives of american soldiers...



    of course noone could honestly believe that, but thats not the point...
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  • Reply 13 of 57
    giantgiant Posts: 6,041member
    Really, the fools trying to defend Bush here (or treat him in the 'enemey of my enemy' sense like groverat) have already completely demonstrated your inability to look at the world objectively. No wonder you see bias everywhere; that's what your glasses are made of!



    Oh, and the movie essence is the entire point. It's exactly how domestic support for the Bush admins actions is gained.



    As one CIA analyst called a fabricated bush Iraq claim: "it's hollywood rinky-dink stuff."



    Of course, americans (who still aren't taught about cambodia) eat that shit up.
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  • Reply 14 of 57
    gizzmonicgizzmonic Posts: 511member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by groverat

    Explain to me how it is disrespectful to them.



    It makes light of the situation in Iraq. Real life is not some Bruckheimer movie where you can scowl at the camera and say a smug catch phrase for the camera. People are sacrificing their lives over there-I've got relatives serving in the armed forces, and this type of posturing worries me.



    Just about every media outlet outside of the US is covering this as yet another example of Bush's headstrong and arrogant governance. (Which it is.) Normal people in Europe will roll their eyes. Iraqis who were just starting to see Americans as a help will harden their hearts. Maybe they will think twice about informing the US soldiers about an attack they overheard being planned.



    The statement puts distance between Europe, the US, and the Arab world. This distance slows the repairing of diplomatic ties between the US and other UN nations, and it slows the peace process in Iraq. It almost seems that Bush is playing the stereotype on purpose, urging moderate Arabs to see him in the worst light.
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  • Reply 15 of 57
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    The anti-Bush side rarely demonstrates an ability to look at the world objectively either. What we hve seen, since 9-11 is a fascinating demonstration that nations only exist in a battle of competing propagandas. The media, is not yet removed enough to comment on it, but you can see it where you look carefully. Basically, this is about marketing, we needed this war, but we needed a Clinton to do it, as accomplished by Bush et al, it has been a marketing disaster.



    The war itself has been relatively begign as wars go. Limited casualties on BOTH sides.



    The politics has not been (benign), with diplomatic casualities on every front, and a big kinda-sorta distraction from the issues of homeland security, Al Queda, and AIRLINE PRACTICE. Come on, is it possible that America STILL hasn't sued certain airports and airlines into oblivion, well, that's possible, but it is it possible that no one has tried? Any industry insider could tell you that the airline industry shoulders an enormous burden of blame for 9-11. Security practices had been that bad and worse for a long long time and any time someone tried to mention it, they were shouted down as paranoid. Not paranoid enough, it seems now. The air travel industry CEO's walked away as victims when really they deserved trial for CRIMINAL negligence.



    but anyway...
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  • Reply 16 of 57
    keyboardf12keyboardf12 Posts: 1,379member
    Senior used to refer to himself in the 3rd person.



    "George Bush won't stand for that"



    This son of a Bush seems to have a similar complex.



    Must run in the family.
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  • Reply 17 of 57
    pfflampfflam Posts: 5,053member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by SDW2001

    Well, said goverat. Let's hyper-analyze everything Bush says and does!



    Maybe let's try even a slight bit of real analysis, maybe even once . . . maybe just a smidgen from you .. heh SDW?
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  • Reply 18 of 57
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    giant:



    Quote:

    Really, the fools trying to defend Bush here (or treat him in the 'enemey of my enemy' sense like groverat) have already completely demonstrated your inability to look at the world objectively.



    And you look at the world objectively?



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    Gizzmonic:



    Quote:

    It makes light of the situation in Iraq. Real life is not some Bruckheimer movie where you can scowl at the camera and say a smug catch phrase for the camera. People are sacrificing their lives over there-I've got relatives serving in the armed forces, and this type of posturing worries me.



    I've got relatives in Iraq and it doesn't worry me a bit. If anything my two Marine cousins would probably like hearing that.



    Don't know and don't really care, but I'd be confident in a wager.



    Quote:

    Just about every media outlet outside of the US is covering this as yet another example of Bush's headstrong and arrogant governance. (Which it is.) Normal people in Europe will roll their eyes. Iraqis who were just starting to see Americans as a help will harden their hearts. Maybe they will think twice about informing the US soldiers about an attack they overheard being planned.



    You have not one single goddam clue what this means to the Iraqi people. You are posturing.



    Quote:

    The statement puts distance between Europe, the US, and the Arab world.



    Show me any evidence at all that there is a shred of truth to this.



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    Matsu:



    Good post.
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  • Reply 19 of 57
    jimmacjimmac Posts: 11,898member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by SDW2001

    Well, said goverat. Let's hyper-analyze everything Bush says and does!



    SDW,



    On a related matter did you know that the jobless rate is now at a 9 year high and the interest rate is now at a 45 year low ( it was 40 ). Your plan for that big economic turnaround so Bush can win all 50 states isn't looking so hot.



    I think that might be the motivation behind this. It's more Bush bluster to appear tough because he thinks it will garner votes for him. As long as dubbya is in the Whitehouse the economy will be going round and round in that little white bowl in the bathroom.



    I think he's aware that some of the voting public aren't dummys and are going to look at this and point their collective fingers at someone ( I'll give you a hint it won't have anything to do with dotcoms or Clinton ).





    groverat is grasping at straws here.



    Still in check.



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  • Reply 20 of 57
    pfflampfflam Posts: 5,053member
    I can see why Bush would say what he did and how he did it:



    its like a dude in a bar who has had a few and wants to let the other guy know how tough he is, so tough that he can casually say "what damage can you possibly do to me?".



    When I go to bars and I see a fight I usually know that at least one party involved is an idiot.

    When I see a fight commencing and one of the people involved says something like "well, bring it on" then the question is pretty much answered as to who qualifies.



    But in the case of Bush and this saying I think that it might actually come across to the terrorists as "jeeze, thet're so tough that they are taunting us" . . . . well . . . maybe not.





    Either way, its undignified, not that the world will be surprised by undignified behavior from American Presidents *slurp*

    But what the hey?! there is some truth to our Cowboy mythos, we are 'crude,' and like the crude guy in the bar who mutters that taunt, most likely our crudness will result in ass whompedness for the other guy . . . sure undignified, but effective.





    but what's that body count up to these days?
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