Welcome. Not to shoot down your idea, as I think it actually might be the easiest way to go until people get used to using a tablet (take it off its "dock" every now and then to touch up a photo or surf the net from bed or something). But as demand and technology expands I'd really love to see 2 or 3 things like these per household. I also think that if Apple could be the first to do it, they'd once again truly revolutionize the way people think about living with computers.
<strong>Firstly, let me state that you and you alone made this whole up. Bits have been floating around for about a year on rumor sites about a tablet with some kind of screen sharing. So, you are just ressurecting a dead rumor.
Forget about "incredibly fast screen sharing". With a screen with 1024x768 @ 24Bit-color, you arrive at 2.3MByte needed to hold the content. Yep, thats 1.2GB/s if the screen-refresh is at 72Hz, 1.08GB/s with 60Hz.
Even if the image is compressed 5:1 you'd need to have Gigabit-Ethernet to feed the imagestream. There is absolutely no chance to do this over Airport or Modem.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Really? Ever heard of VNC? I can control computer on my lan at home with very little problem over 10baseT. It is not like it is as impossible as you are making it out to be. What you would have is the compression and maybe some sort of accellerator that all it does is draw Aqua. IT gets the hints about window size and the like and it handles most of the heavy lifting that way. Not saying it exists, but I am saying it could. Don't close your eyes just because you have never seen it before. You might miss out on all the fun.
Agreed. Don't think of it in terms of streaming video. It's not at all unlikely for this thing (if it existed...gotta keep things real) to have some sort of hardware acceleration in it. And OS X is scalable and could be run from a small amount of memory in the device - so a tablet could do probably as much as or more than any VNC-controlling computer to date can.
I can think of this screen sharing remote monitor tablet thing as "one more thing" after the new Mac (why call it an iMac?) and the new PowerMacs. We will ALL want one.
If Steve Jobs pulls this one out of the hat, what will Bill Gates say at his keynote? Ship a tablet while Microsoft is still talking about it! YES!
In all likelihood (sp?) you're referring to wireless thin-clients. Similar to an Xwindows server. The terminal handles the i/o processes and the host computer takes care of the processing. They'd still need some sort of processor and video card, but obviously scaled down versions. Here's some examples:
isn't all this bandwidth angst crap? How about a quicktime mov of your screen with sprites for point and click interactivity and insertion points. The screen does not have to be broadcast continually but only parts that are updated.
Not a way to play Quake but for surfing etc probably more than adequate
[quote]Really? Ever heard of VNC? I can control computer on my lan at home with very little problem over 10baseT. It is not like it is as impossible as you are making it out to be.<hr></blockquote>
What I still believe to be impossible is "incredibly fast" (or anything fast) screen sharing over 10BT, Airport or Modem.
VNC, Timbuktu and the like are usually not fast nor full color.
[quote] what if the ibook and imac were combined into a single product? dolphin. <hr></blockquote>
What if my Anus and my Urethra were combined into a single organ, the Phanus?
Don't be an idiot. Do you want to pay for miniturization if you don't need it? Because that's a big part of the cost for a laptop. An iMac can be larger, use larger components, easier to cool, etc, so it's cheaper.
There is no logical reason to combine the two products. You need to chill out and use you brain for more productive activities, like masturbating or taking a dump.
What I still believe to be impossible is "incredibly fast" (or anything fast) screen sharing over 10BT, Airport or Modem.
VNC, Timbuktu and the like are usually not fast nor full color.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I suppose incredibly fast is a subjective term. As far as VNC being slower than being at the desk, yes. Being less than full color, no. I use it and it si full color. But they would likely not use VNC. I was just using it as an example. Think dedicated solution. Think proprietary. Think, fast. I think it would be cool, however unlikely that they will actually release it. Not even close to impossible. You are trying to think inside of a box that really does not exist. Open the lid and look around.
<strong>Forget about "incredibly fast screen sharing". With a screen with 1024x768 @ 24Bit-color, you arrive at 2.3MByte needed to hold the content. Yep, thats 1.2GB/s if the screen-refresh is at 72Hz, 1.08GB/s with 60Hz.
Even if the image is compressed 5:1 you'd need to have Gigabit-Ethernet to feed the imagestream. There is absolutely no chance to do this over Airport or Modem.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm... wanna tell that to Sharp and Cisco... they have developed a way to wireless xmit HDTV via 802.11a to a LCD screen hanging on the wall of your living room... Can you say goodbye to coax in the home?! Well they seem to think you'll soon be able to do just that! Now if HDTV can be sent via 802.11a then so can the video from your desktop.
Repeat after me... Just because it's never been done before doesn't mean it isn't possible... It's people like YOU that would still have the people thinking the earth is flat!
[quote]Originally posted by Smircle:
<strong>"Firstly, let me state that you and you alone made this whole up. Bits have been floating around for about a year on rumor sites about a tablet with some kind of screen sharing. So, you are just ressurecting a dead rumor."</strong><hr></blockquote>
Also it WASN'T ME and ME ALONE who made ANYTHING up! Please check the posts (read before you write) and you'll see that user 'Codename' stated people on the track to this tablet rumor stuff and the message I quoted is CLEARLY attributed to the REAL: author...
Oh and before you start talking like your word is the end-all-be-all ("There is absolutely no chance to do this over Airport or Modem." / "You and you alone made this up") please do some fact checking...
You could come out looking pretty silly dern otherwise. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
<strong>Hmmm... wanna tell that to Sharp and Cisco... they have developed a way to wireless xmit HDTV via 802.11a to a LCD screen on hanging on the wall of your living room... Can you say goodbye to coax in the home?! Well they see to think so.
Now if HDTV can be sent via 802.11a then so can the video from your desktop.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly! And let us not forget the ability to beam your videos from your Sony Camcorder to your TV via InfraRed. What is the bandwidth on that? I doubt it is 11 Mb/sec
Composer... Yep I saw that link but that one only talks about the first gen stuff based on 802.11b (that will not have enough bandwidth for HDTV signals - AFAIK) but the 2nd gen stuff (see link below) is now doing HD suff - via 802.11a.
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-S
<strong>Firstly, let me state that you and you alone made this whole up. Bits have been floating around for about a year on rumor sites about a tablet with some kind of screen sharing. So, you are just ressurecting a dead rumor.
Forget about "incredibly fast screen sharing". With a screen with 1024x768 @ 24Bit-color, you arrive at 2.3MByte needed to hold the content. Yep, thats 1.2GB/s if the screen-refresh is at 72Hz, 1.08GB/s with 60Hz.
Even if the image is compressed 5:1 you'd need to have Gigabit-Ethernet to feed the imagestream. There is absolutely no chance to do this over Airport or Modem.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Really? Ever heard of VNC? I can control computer on my lan at home with very little problem over 10baseT. It is not like it is as impossible as you are making it out to be. What you would have is the compression and maybe some sort of accellerator that all it does is draw Aqua. IT gets the hints about window size and the like and it handles most of the heavy lifting that way. Not saying it exists, but I am saying it could. Don't close your eyes just because you have never seen it before. You might miss out on all the fun.
-S
If Steve Jobs pulls this one out of the hat, what will Bill Gates say at his keynote? Ship a tablet while Microsoft is still talking about it! YES!
In all likelihood (sp?) you're referring to wireless thin-clients. Similar to an Xwindows server. The terminal handles the i/o processes and the host computer takes care of the processing. They'd still need some sort of processor and video card, but obviously scaled down versions. Here's some examples:
<a href="http://www.ncd.com/products/hardware/thinstar/"; target="_blank">NCD Thin Star</a>
<a href="http://embedded.censoft.com/pixil/pixilthin.php?PHPSESSID=378c012fd63b962cc1bbc96208 9b3c4d" target="_blank">Pixil Thin CLient</a>
Not a way to play Quake but for surfing etc probably more than adequate
[quote]Really? Ever heard of VNC? I can control computer on my lan at home with very little problem over 10baseT. It is not like it is as impossible as you are making it out to be.<hr></blockquote>
What I still believe to be impossible is "incredibly fast" (or anything fast) screen sharing over 10BT, Airport or Modem.
VNC, Timbuktu and the like are usually not fast nor full color.
What if my Anus and my Urethra were combined into a single organ, the Phanus?
Don't be an idiot. Do you want to pay for miniturization if you don't need it? Because that's a big part of the cost for a laptop. An iMac can be larger, use larger components, easier to cool, etc, so it's cheaper.
There is no logical reason to combine the two products. You need to chill out and use you brain for more productive activities, like masturbating or taking a dump.
<strong>Originally posted by NoahJ:
What I still believe to be impossible is "incredibly fast" (or anything fast) screen sharing over 10BT, Airport or Modem.
VNC, Timbuktu and the like are usually not fast nor full color.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I suppose incredibly fast is a subjective term. As far as VNC being slower than being at the desk, yes. Being less than full color, no. I use it and it si full color. But they would likely not use VNC. I was just using it as an example. Think dedicated solution. Think proprietary. Think, fast. I think it would be cool, however unlikely that they will actually release it. Not even close to impossible. You are trying to think inside of a box that really does not exist. Open the lid and look around.
<strong>Forget about "incredibly fast screen sharing". With a screen with 1024x768 @ 24Bit-color, you arrive at 2.3MByte needed to hold the content. Yep, thats 1.2GB/s if the screen-refresh is at 72Hz, 1.08GB/s with 60Hz.
Even if the image is compressed 5:1 you'd need to have Gigabit-Ethernet to feed the imagestream. There is absolutely no chance to do this over Airport or Modem.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm... wanna tell that to Sharp and Cisco... they have developed a way to wireless xmit HDTV via 802.11a to a LCD screen hanging on the wall of your living room... Can you say goodbye to coax in the home?! Well they seem to think you'll soon be able to do just that! Now if HDTV can be sent via 802.11a then so can the video from your desktop.
Repeat after me... Just because it's never been done before doesn't mean it isn't possible... It's people like YOU that would still have the people thinking the earth is flat!
[quote]Originally posted by Smircle:
<strong>"Firstly, let me state that you and you alone made this whole up. Bits have been floating around for about a year on rumor sites about a tablet with some kind of screen sharing. So, you are just ressurecting a dead rumor."</strong><hr></blockquote>
Also it WASN'T ME and ME ALONE who made ANYTHING up! Please check the posts (read before you write) and you'll see that user 'Codename' stated people on the track to this tablet rumor stuff and the message I quoted is CLEARLY attributed to the REAL: author...
Oh and before you start talking like your word is the end-all-be-all ("There is absolutely no chance to do this over Airport or Modem." / "You and you alone made this up") please do some fact checking...
You could come out looking pretty silly dern otherwise. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
Dave
[ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: DaveGee ]</p>
<a href="http://www.80211-planet.com/news/article/0,,1481_898441,00.html"; target="_blank">http://www.80211-planet.com/news/article/0,,1481_898441,00.html</a>;
<strong>Hmmm... wanna tell that to Sharp and Cisco... they have developed a way to wireless xmit HDTV via 802.11a to a LCD screen on hanging on the wall of your living room... Can you say goodbye to coax in the home?! Well they see to think so.
Now if HDTV can be sent via 802.11a then so can the video from your desktop.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly! And let us not forget the ability to beam your videos from your Sony Camcorder to your TV via InfraRed. What is the bandwidth on that? I doubt it is 11 Mb/sec
[quote]Apple's Firewire to go wireless at 5 GHz speeds<hr></blockquote>
<a href="http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/15463.html"; target="_blank">http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/15463.html</a>;
[ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: Aphelion ]</p>
[QB]Here's a link to an article from 802.11 planet:
<a href="http://www.80211-planet.com/news/article/0,,1481_898441,00.html"; target="_blank">http://www.80211-planet.com/news/article/0,,1481_898441,00.html</a>[/ QB]<hr></blockquote>
Composer... Yep I saw that link but that one only talks about the first gen stuff based on 802.11b (that will not have enough bandwidth for HDTV signals - AFAIK) but the 2nd gen stuff (see link below) is now doing HD suff - via 802.11a.
<a href="http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/011114.html"; target="_blank">http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/011114.html</a>;
Dave
[ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: DaveGee ]</p>
[quote]
"A little bird told that Trinity shall return, after eating pie, more voluminous than a dolphin..."
"El Capitan's hamartia shall lead to Trinity's return and its rise to the throne,
Its little brother shall rule in the great desert where the dolphins roam."
"Dolphin is not dead."
"The filling shall reveal a crust made from the Rosetta Stone." <hr></blockquote>
this is where the whole table idea came from.
Maybe a keyboard that was standard with writing tablet is a more likely direction..
this could impliment handwriting across the product lineup (with some modifications to the laptops touchpad)
I'd prefer to write on a screen. Otherwise I would just get a wacom tablet. I like the idea, maybe someday.
P.S.
Is codename sharing his crack or do I have to find my own?