How many people using Panther as Primary OS?
I was just wondering how many people are using Panther DP as their primary OS. Do you recommend it? I realize that it's not yet meant for regular use by consumers but I was looking for more pragmatic reasons. How many of you have had serious problems?
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10.2.6 here. Panther feels a lot more polished than the early Jaguar builds, but not that much more. Plus there's the Window Manager instability...
Not sure if you mean to replace Jaguar with Panther... or to have Panther on a separate partition... regardless I will do a repost of what Brad reposted in the Panther screenshot thread regarding replacing Jag with Panther (just for others benefit if nothing else):
If you have to ask, then this is not for you.
Seriously, folks, how many times do we have to go over this? Releases like this are meant for developers who routinely back up their data. Releases like this are not meant to run full-time for mission-critical applications. You should only install these builds if you know what you're doing and by that I mean you know all the risks involved and you know how to salvage your computer if things go horribly wrong.
Will it break apps? Maybe.
Will it be unstable? Maybe.
Will it be feature incomplete? Maybe.
Will it cause random problems? Maybe.
Will it kernel panic regularly? Maybe.
Will it corrupt your hard drive? Maybe.
Will it accidentally erase all your data? Maybe. (cue story about iTunes installer)
Will it report data back to Apple without your knowledge? Maybe.
Will it expire and leave you unable to access and encrypted data through FileVault? Maybe.
Now that it's noted... if you're thinking of running this as your only OS, back up all your data first so that you have something to revert to in case it gets hosed. It is a relatively stable preview and decent enough that one could test it out, but you never know what may or may not happen. Certain programs may not run properly (see other threads discussing Camino/Moz/Firebird)
If you know what you're doing, then back up your data, and pick how you want to install it, I'd suggest a different partition or different HD. Also, IIRC you will not be able to upgrade from Panther DP to the released version of Panther. Personally, I'd never trust a DP of anything to be good enough for primary usage, but that's just me.
Still on 10.1.5.
So, my answer is I tried, but now I'm back on 10.2.6. It's a shame, though, because I know how much faster Panther is, and I really would like it to work. I guess I'll just have to wait for GM.
Originally posted by Dog Almighty
Still on 10.1.5.
Dear God! Why in the world would you stick with 10.1 knowing how much better 10.2 is? I certainly hope you're planning to upgrade to 10.3!
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Originally posted by nagha
Dear God! Why in the world would you stick with 10.1 knowing how much better 10.2 is? I certainly hope you're planning to upgrade to 10.3!
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Well, our school computers, apart from the server (which is on 10.1.1 server), all run 9.1 :P
I much prefer the new finder, even if it is fugly brushed metal. So many fewer mouse clicks! It's great. Ghost recon and all my important apps work.
People are raving about Expose, and yes, it is REALLY good, but after you use it a while, you realize that you want it, but it isn't necessarily a deal maker or breaker. It's just a cool work flow widget that kicks butt. After about two days, I purged Panther from my system, did a complete erase of the system, and reinstalled everything and restored all my old system goodies, apps, etc. This is DEFINITELY NOT READY for daily use. WAY too many little bugs in places that you'd never expect and can cripple your entire flow. I will go on the record as saying it's not really worth the hassle of playing with it yet unless you're a developer. There's simply not enough different in the OS that warrants messing with your system. If you have an extra OS X computer that you don't really use, then sure, put it on and play with it. But you'd do better to just wait, right now, it's not all that.
I think, unless they add some more 'big' features into Panther at the end of the year, I will not shell out that money for the upgrade. I "will" shell out the $30 bucks for iChat AV (after the beta license runs out), but that's about it. To me, Panther is one of those releases that makes you hold onto to your current system as long as possible until you 'absolutely must' upgrade. Kind of like how people never wanted to give up on system 7x, and then system 9x. Panther has many interesting features, but they are just 'interesting' and most are not essential enough to warrant the upgrade price.
Having removed Panther from my PowerBook Titanium, I miss the speedier system, but feel much better being back on Jaguar. These bugs in Panther will get fixed, so that's not my issue. My issue is: not enough new stuff in Panther to warrant the price. Also, I think it's absolutely hilarious, and obscene that Apple is actually shipping PowerMac G5s without Panther. Even if it's not ready by the time the G5s ship, those who purchase a G5 should get a coupon (or something) that allows them a free copy of Panther when it's released. DAMN Steve, stop raping us in the bank account, we support your company and the expensive prices, so cut us a deal. (for the record, I DO think the pricing of the Dual 2Ghz at $2999 was pretty good bang for the buck pricing)
at this point it is my primary OS, and i'm loving it. i've had almost 0 problems. it has actually been better to work with than 10.2 was for me.
Originally posted by Chucker
Well, our school computers, apart from the server (which is on 10.1.1 server), all run 9.1 :P
All 9 at my school, too. I hate 9 with a passion. Some of our computers (the G4's) have OS X as a boot volume, but my teachers got wicked pissed off when I booted one into X 10.1.
Originally posted by alcimedes
lol, panther fixed a lot of problems my 'book was having, and Toast and Camino were the only victims. i can live with that.
at this point it is my primary OS, and i'm loving it. i've had almost 0 problems. it has actually been better to work with than 10.2 was for me.
I agree. Although both 10.2.x and Phanter have been rock-solid for me. A few weensy bugs in Phanter. I've not really noticed a huge speed increase like every one else seems to have, except for the increase one would expect from a well-threaded finder.
I am still running good old system 7.5.5
LOL... no, wait, I am still running 7.5.5... damn.
68K Macs ROCK!!!!!!!!
However, all you peeps that are saying its not worth the upgrade are MAD!
The speed increase in preview (quartz in general) is phenomenal, then you have Exposé, which is just about the best UI feature I have ever seen on a computer running a window based interface. Then there is the new finder, which even if you do not like the metal apps (i personally love 'em) is a great improvement over the 10.2 finder.
So stop being stinge bags and save $2 / day till its released. You won't even notice the cash go missing. Hell, just pretend you live in the UK and that petrol (Gas) costs you $1.30 per litre.