As I said, Apple has taken substantial orders of G4 parts from Motorola since September. To my knowledge they were all 1.2GHz and higher so [edit] it is likely they will only be used for Power Macs, since the Power Books were updated recently.
Again, I don't have any real MPX info but I can tell you Apple has well over 100,000 G4 parts in house. When they announce and release depends on the 200 MHz MPX heavily. Since sales aren't likely to get worse right now I think Apple will announce next week but not release. Maybe that doesn't make sense, but it seems the smart play to keep investors happy.
In the Apple Expo France keynote on September 10, 2002 -- the last keynote address Steve Jobs has made -- Steve told the audience that come January 1, Mac OS 9 would no longer be bootable "on new Mac models and faster versions of previous models." The Mac OS 9 issue aside, I parsed that to mean that there would be revvs *AND* brand new computers heretofore seen introduced at the MacWorld in January.
It is unrealistic to expect the impossible, so my philosophy is to expect nothing, so whatever is announced looks better than what you expected! Despite my pessimistic outlook, the subject I am most interested in this Macworld is web browsers. I am looking foward to information and a possible sneaky peek of Omni Web 5, and perhaps the fabled Apple Browser. What's nice about software, free software in particualr, is that any Mac user thousands of miles away from San fransisco, can enjoy the products released at the show. I remember downloading iTunes right after the 2001 MWSF and being very impressed and excited with the app. I hope to get the same with a new Browser next week.
I'm not sure I agree with that. What CBU is saying (about where the chips would go) makes sense to me. Power Macs. I think it is highly unlikely that the 970s would be ready by now, and even if they were, I doubt more than one model of Power Mac would carry it initially. Dual 970 machines will be well over $4000 most likely. 970s are more expensive than G4s by a fairly wide margin according to Bad Andy and some of the other CPU wonks at Ars.
<strong>It is unrealistic to expect the impossible, so my philosophy is to expect nothing, so whatever is announced looks better than what you expected! Despite my pessimistic outlook, the subject I am most interested in this Macworld is web browsers. I am looking foward to information and a possible sneaky peek of Omni Web 5, and perhaps the fabled Apple Browser. What's nice about software, free software in particualr, is that any Mac user thousands of miles away from San fransisco, can enjoy the products released at the show. I remember downloading iTunes right after the 2001 MWSF and being very impressed and excited with the app. I hope to get the same with a new Browser next week.</strong><hr></blockquote>
God, of all the important things we are waiting for a browser is no where near needed. There are at least 5 browsers IE, Chimera, iCab, Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, ops that 6.
I would much rather resources were put into the OS, it still has a way to go and further speed enhancements would be more welcome. How about chapters and 16:9 support in iDVD and iMovie. How about MP4 support for iTunes and the iPod. How about updating Apple Works, not to mention Mail and iCal and iSync. All of these are far more important than an Apple branded browser.
So it seems that a 100 or 200 MHz upgrade to a couple of consumer boxes, a higher capacity and/or color iPod and 19" display is exciting? Remember the release of the Blue & White G3? Revolutionary. The original iMac? Industry changing. Both of these were released with very minor MHz increases over their predecessors but still created great excitement due to the new technologies and new functionality offered. iTunes, iMovie et al made previously difficult tasks incredibly easy and were unexpected entirely.
I don't care about processor speed at an expo, a press release is fine for incremental updates. I use a G4/667 Tower and a dual 1.25 tower in the same case with the same functionality is not going to open my wallet. I'll buy when something new happens that I can't do with my computer. I don't think I'm alone in this thinking.
So what do I want? I don't know, I'll let Apple figure it out. I'm hoping all this quiet means something unexpected and new. Now if stupid Digidesign would release Pro Tools 6 already...
God, of all the important things we are waiting for a browser is no where near needed. There are at least 5 browsers IE, Chimera, iCab, Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, ops that 6.
I would much rather resources were put into the OS, it still has a way to go and further speed enhancements would be more welcome. How about chapters and 16:9 support in iDVD and iMovie. How about MP4 support for iTunes and the iPod. How about updating Apple Works, not to mention Mail and iCal and iSync. All of these are far more important than an Apple branded browser.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But all of those browsers suck in at least one way.
<strong>You make really good points -- why WOULD Apple even let IBM publish information about the new processor, knowing good and well that there are some people who will undoubtedly wait for this new-fangled piece of equipment in an Apple machine.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple doesn't have any say in whether IBM announces the new PowerPC chip. This isn't an Apple designed chip which IBM is producing, it is an IBM chip which Apple will hopefully be purchasing. At least that is how everything I have seen talks about it. There still isn't even any official announcement Apple is going to use it - but they would be idiots not to.
Apple doesn't have any say in whether IBM announces the new PowerPC chip. This isn't an Apple designed chip which IBM is producing, it is an IBM chip which Apple will hopefully be purchasing. At least that is how everything I have seen talks about it. There still isn't even any official announcement Apple is going to use it - but they would be idiots not to.</strong><hr></blockquote>
they would if they invested money in having altivec added to the 970. I'd also assume that Apple has signed a contrat to purchase a number of chips (they'd be chumps not to have), you'd think they would have requested silence. But you never know, maybe all disclosure has been under mutual consent. If that's the case I'd expect an Apple roadmap soon since the cat is already out of the bag and the damage hase been done in the pro/semi areas.
they would if they invested money in having altivec added to the 970. I'd also assume that Apple has signed a contrat to purchase a number of chips (they'd be chumps not to have), you'd think they would have requested silence. But you never know, maybe all disclosure has been under mutual consent. If that's the case I'd expect an Apple roadmap soon since the cat is already out of the bag and the damage hase been done in the pro/semi areas.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Just to thump this drum 1 more time. I find it odd that Apple has not came out and said "IBM does what they have to reguarding their processors, while the 970 is nice we believe that the G4 is where it is at." At least something like that would not lead to a deafening silence when the speed bumped PowerMacs due arrive. I wonder how low the sales of PowerMacs will go this year prior to the 970, I imagine very low. And as far as the argument that publicly traded companies cannot withhold information and give us a jolt, remember that the iMac was introduced to a stunned crowd. No law suits, IBM does not have to announce anything and since they are already under an NDA for ApplePI (if this is the case), why not just keep them silent. I mean that Apple is being hurt by the announcement of the 970 and IBM really dosen't need to hype a chip that they are going to use in quanity nomatter what folks think. Apple may be the #1 buyer but IBM will be #2 buyer and the rest will not amount to much. So why hype the chip?? Why let the speculation run?? I hope that it means that we will see the chip sooner than we think, but I'm not holding my breath.
<strong>Yea but the problem with that is Apple does not comment on future products.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Right and they also typically don't comment on corporate strategy, but they have said in the past that company(insert name) is not going to buy us and we have no intention of following that path. Remember when, pre Steve, the solution to all of Apples problems would be that some company would buy them and fix their problems. Disney and Sony come to mind. I think in the past they have commented on strategy, out of turn, if you can understand what I'm trying to get at. I wish I could remember, but right now I cannot, perhaps someone else will.
Amen....and wasn't one of the last things we heard from Dorsal relating to running OS X on an RS/6000??</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, Dorsal wasn't responsible for that rumor, it was me!
I thought it worth the correction since in light of IBM/s announcements I still believe the information I was given was in many respects accurate if not somewhat vauge.
Besides MacOS running on RS\\6000 machines is nothing new. IBM's been doing it since they signed off on their CHRP motherboards some time ago.
Anyway you guys take this rumoring stuff far too seriously IMHO.
<strong>... How about updating Apple Works, not to mention Mail and iCal and iSync. All of these are far more important than an Apple branded browser.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Now this is strange! Why the heck did Apple release the final version of iSync and an updated version of iCal today? Couldn't they just wait 5 days more.
Is there no room for these updates during the keynote because something really big is being annouced?
No, Dorsal wasn't responsible for that rumor, it was me!
I thought it worth the correction since in light of IBM/s announcements I still believe the information I was given was in many respects accurate if not somewhat vauge.
Besides MacOS running on RS\\6000 machines is nothing new. IBM's been doing it since they signed off on their CHRP motherboards some time ago.
Anyway you guys take this rumoring stuff far too seriously IMHO.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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Heheh. It is a rather fun thing to imagine...especially if it were actually true...
"Hello Moto! - Get the $%@* out of my office!"
:cool:
Again, I don't have any real MPX info but I can tell you Apple has well over 100,000 G4 parts in house. When they announce and release depends on the 200 MHz MPX heavily. Since sales aren't likely to get worse right now I think Apple will announce next week but not release. Maybe that doesn't make sense, but it seems the smart play to keep investors happy.
[ 01-01-2003: Message edited by: CBU ]</p>
<strong>It is unrealistic to expect the impossible, so my philosophy is to expect nothing, so whatever is announced looks better than what you expected! Despite my pessimistic outlook, the subject I am most interested in this Macworld is web browsers. I am looking foward to information and a possible sneaky peek of Omni Web 5, and perhaps the fabled Apple Browser. What's nice about software, free software in particualr, is that any Mac user thousands of miles away from San fransisco, can enjoy the products released at the show. I remember downloading iTunes right after the 2001 MWSF and being very impressed and excited with the app. I hope to get the same with a new Browser next week.</strong><hr></blockquote>
God, of all the important things we are waiting for a browser is no where near needed. There are at least 5 browsers IE, Chimera, iCab, Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, ops that 6.
I would much rather resources were put into the OS, it still has a way to go and further speed enhancements would be more welcome. How about chapters and 16:9 support in iDVD and iMovie. How about MP4 support for iTunes and the iPod. How about updating Apple Works, not to mention Mail and iCal and iSync. All of these are far more important than an Apple branded browser.
I don't care about processor speed at an expo, a press release is fine for incremental updates. I use a G4/667 Tower and a dual 1.25 tower in the same case with the same functionality is not going to open my wallet. I'll buy when something new happens that I can't do with my computer. I don't think I'm alone in this thinking.
So what do I want? I don't know, I'll let Apple figure it out. I'm hoping all this quiet means something unexpected and new. Now if stupid Digidesign would release Pro Tools 6 already...
<strong>
God, of all the important things we are waiting for a browser is no where near needed. There are at least 5 browsers IE, Chimera, iCab, Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, ops that 6.
I would much rather resources were put into the OS, it still has a way to go and further speed enhancements would be more welcome. How about chapters and 16:9 support in iDVD and iMovie. How about MP4 support for iTunes and the iPod. How about updating Apple Works, not to mention Mail and iCal and iSync. All of these are far more important than an Apple branded browser.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But all of those browsers suck in at least one way.
<strong>You make really good points -- why WOULD Apple even let IBM publish information about the new processor, knowing good and well that there are some people who will undoubtedly wait for this new-fangled piece of equipment in an Apple machine.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple doesn't have any say in whether IBM announces the new PowerPC chip. This isn't an Apple designed chip which IBM is producing, it is an IBM chip which Apple will hopefully be purchasing. At least that is how everything I have seen talks about it. There still isn't even any official announcement Apple is going to use it - but they would be idiots not to.
<strong>
Apple doesn't have any say in whether IBM announces the new PowerPC chip. This isn't an Apple designed chip which IBM is producing, it is an IBM chip which Apple will hopefully be purchasing. At least that is how everything I have seen talks about it. There still isn't even any official announcement Apple is going to use it - but they would be idiots not to.</strong><hr></blockquote>
they would if they invested money in having altivec added to the 970. I'd also assume that Apple has signed a contrat to purchase a number of chips (they'd be chumps not to have), you'd think they would have requested silence. But you never know, maybe all disclosure has been under mutual consent. If that's the case I'd expect an Apple roadmap soon since the cat is already out of the bag and the damage hase been done in the pro/semi areas.
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they would if they invested money in having altivec added to the 970. I'd also assume that Apple has signed a contrat to purchase a number of chips (they'd be chumps not to have), you'd think they would have requested silence. But you never know, maybe all disclosure has been under mutual consent. If that's the case I'd expect an Apple roadmap soon since the cat is already out of the bag and the damage hase been done in the pro/semi areas.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Just to thump this drum 1 more time. I find it odd that Apple has not came out and said "IBM does what they have to reguarding their processors, while the 970 is nice we believe that the G4 is where it is at." At least something like that would not lead to a deafening silence when the speed bumped PowerMacs due arrive. I wonder how low the sales of PowerMacs will go this year prior to the 970, I imagine very low. And as far as the argument that publicly traded companies cannot withhold information and give us a jolt, remember that the iMac was introduced to a stunned crowd. No law suits, IBM does not have to announce anything and since they are already under an NDA for ApplePI (if this is the case), why not just keep them silent. I mean that Apple is being hurt by the announcement of the 970 and IBM really dosen't need to hype a chip that they are going to use in quanity nomatter what folks think. Apple may be the #1 buyer but IBM will be #2 buyer and the rest will not amount to much. So why hype the chip?? Why let the speculation run?? I hope that it means that we will see the chip sooner than we think, but I'm not holding my breath.
<strong>Yea but the problem with that is Apple does not comment on future products.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Right and they also typically don't comment on corporate strategy, but they have said in the past that company(insert name) is not going to buy us and we have no intention of following that path. Remember when, pre Steve, the solution to all of Apples problems would be that some company would buy them and fix their problems. Disney and Sony come to mind. I think in the past they have commented on strategy, out of turn, if you can understand what I'm trying to get at. I wish I could remember, but right now I cannot, perhaps someone else will.
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Amen....and wasn't one of the last things we heard from Dorsal relating to running OS X on an RS/6000??</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, Dorsal wasn't responsible for that rumor, it was me!
I thought it worth the correction since in light of IBM/s announcements I still believe the information I was given was in many respects accurate if not somewhat vauge.
Besides MacOS running on RS\\6000 machines is nothing new. IBM's been doing it since they signed off on their CHRP motherboards some time ago.
Anyway you guys take this rumoring stuff far too seriously IMHO.
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they say that on every keynote page when its put up before the show. They change the date, expo, and sometimes steve's image, but its the same.
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Whence the
<strong>... How about updating Apple Works, not to mention Mail and iCal and iSync. All of these are far more important than an Apple branded browser.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Now this is strange! Why the heck did Apple release the final version of iSync and an updated version of iCal today? Couldn't they just wait 5 days more.
Is there no room for these updates during the keynote because something really big is being annouced?
I'm sure there will be a mention of iSync.
What hasn't been released that was rumored to be updated? iPhoto. I would expect biggers things for that.
Screed
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No, Dorsal wasn't responsible for that rumor, it was me!
I thought it worth the correction since in light of IBM/s announcements I still believe the information I was given was in many respects accurate if not somewhat vauge.
Besides MacOS running on RS\\6000 machines is nothing new. IBM's been doing it since they signed off on their CHRP motherboards some time ago.
Anyway you guys take this rumoring stuff far too seriously IMHO.</strong><hr></blockquote>
..so your the responsible party
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