Well, absolutely every clue I can scrounge from Apple and elsewhere points to a 970 machine in the Jan - March 2004 timeframe, although it's all deduction, whisper and employee vague hints.
However, given the forcefulness of Transcendental Octothorpe statements that the 970 is coming, and soon, (which I'm willing to accept at face value, if he'll admit to having an Apple source), he'd better have a source inside Apple.
It's that or he's a MS double agent, sent here to utterly alienate the last of the Mac fanatics by raising hopes into the stratosphere (hopes that Apple has done their best to deny) and then watching all that enthusiasm become hatred and disdain for Apple when they fail to get a machine out for a deadline they never promised :-)
In about 3 months, we'll see which it is.
[ 02-13-2003: Message edited by: Tom West ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I side with Transcendental Octothorpe as the info I've had since last summer said this fall for the 970.
<strong>I side with Transcendental Octothorpe as the info I've had since last summer said this fall for the 970.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Engineering projects are notorious for slippage, but all the noises I've heard point to this fall as well. IBM's projected introduction of the 970 is 2H '03 which fits that exactly. Barring unexpected problems, that is.
I side with those predicting the fall/summer release date of the 970. I agree with that time frame for two reasons:
First, IBM said that they will be releasing Blade servers based on the 970 this year. Second, the 970 will go into production in March allowing a lot of time for apple to get a PowerMac out this year. March, April, May, June, JULY. Three and a half months between production and Powermac. If not in July, then between July and September.
I think many of us find it hard to believe that apple will every pull through the sink hole they are currently in. However, we must realize that Steve knows the performance problems are hurting sales and probable has been working on a solution for a number of years now. The PPC970 is the absolute perfect fit for apple. We won't have to wait much longer. I believe...
We know that for the most part, Apple has been shying away from new product introductions at Macworlds (aside from the new powerbooks), but wouldn't MWNY in july (assuming they attend) be the best and biggest stage with which to unveil their new 64 bit OS and hardware?!?
Fits well with the projected IBM 2H03 release date and a nice six month refresh.. and I'm sure that when they do move the towers and powerbooks over to the 970, the imacs and ibooks would have a jump start on being scaled as we know they've got a 1.42 ghz part out now, with the 7457 looming to scale a bit..
Wouldn't it be nice to see a lineup of 1.8 ghz (970 tower), 1.2 ghz (970-low power) pbook, 1.42 ghz (g4) imac, and a 1 ghz (g4) ibook???
<strong>Nothing against TransOct, but we have no way of verifying anything anyone says on these boards.</strong><hr></blockquote>
We don't need to verify anything, we need to know what to expect. These days many good people suffer for breaking their NDA and I don't think the end quite justifies the means. On the other hand, we are able to deduce some more or less reliable picture from official information. And this time everything points to 970 coming to Macs this fall. Did you notice nobody questions the idea of 970 in Macs, despite I can't remember any spokesman announcing that? Well, this might be an obvious example, but anyway...
You all do realize that Apple doesn't need some event to roll out new product, don't you? The original iMac, after all, was introduced at an Apple "Special Event" at the end of April. WWDC is interesting because that is usually where they preview upcoming system software technologies (like a 64-bit OS, for example) and often the associated hardware. Other than that the hardware comes when the hardware is ready.
Apple, without question, will use the 970. Moto has treated the PPC as an integrated solution not a workstation solutio. Motorola thinks "Who brags about the speed of their VCR's clock speed?", and therefor won't advance the PPC as a computer chip. IBM, on the other hand, is focused on high-end server performance.
[quote] With AMD's 64-bit plans drifting back and Microsoft apparently in no particular rush to bring a 64-bit Windows to market, there exists an opportunity too good to miss.
Apple will still have the challenge of proving the "Megahertz Myth" even though the 970 will whip both the Xeon and the 'Hammer's butts. But this time through, it won't be as hard, because Apple can say "...the PowerPC 970 is a proven server workhorse...". Having a server processor in a desktop is certainly something that gives you bragging rights. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Just testing, since I'm seeing a post by hotboxd in the forums index, but I can't see it in the thread proper.
[edit by Amorph: Well, hot damn, there it is. I'm going to close this thread since it seems to be getting flaky. Darned UBB. Please continue in the similarly-named thread that I'll start up]
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Well, absolutely every clue I can scrounge from Apple and elsewhere points to a 970 machine in the Jan - March 2004 timeframe, although it's all deduction, whisper and employee vague hints.
However, given the forcefulness of Transcendental Octothorpe statements that the 970 is coming, and soon, (which I'm willing to accept at face value, if he'll admit to having an Apple source), he'd better have a source inside Apple.
It's that or he's a MS double agent, sent here to utterly alienate the last of the Mac fanatics by raising hopes into the stratosphere (hopes that Apple has done their best to deny) and then watching all that enthusiasm become hatred and disdain for Apple when they fail to get a machine out for a deadline they never promised :-)
In about 3 months, we'll see which it is.
[ 02-13-2003: Message edited by: Tom West ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I side with Transcendental Octothorpe as the info I've had since last summer said this fall for the 970.
<strong>Is there an Apple event the end of May or in June? Just wondering...</strong><hr></blockquote>
There's <a href="http://macworldexpo.com/macworld2003/V33/index.cvn"; target="_blank">one</a> in mid July.
<strong>Is there an Apple event the end of May or in June? Just wondering...</strong><hr></blockquote>
And one in <a href="http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/"; target="_blank">May</a>.
<strong>I side with Transcendental Octothorpe as the info I've had since last summer said this fall for the 970.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Engineering projects are notorious for slippage, but all the noises I've heard point to this fall as well. IBM's projected introduction of the 970 is 2H '03 which fits that exactly. Barring unexpected problems, that is.
First, IBM said that they will be releasing Blade servers based on the 970 this year. Second, the 970 will go into production in March allowing a lot of time for apple to get a PowerMac out this year. March, April, May, June, JULY. Three and a half months between production and Powermac. If not in July, then between July and September.
I think many of us find it hard to believe that apple will every pull through the sink hole they are currently in. However, we must realize that Steve knows the performance problems are hurting sales and probable has been working on a solution for a number of years now. The PPC970 is the absolute perfect fit for apple. We won't have to wait much longer. I believe...
Fits well with the projected IBM 2H03 release date and a nice six month refresh.. and I'm sure that when they do move the towers and powerbooks over to the 970, the imacs and ibooks would have a jump start on being scaled as we know they've got a 1.42 ghz part out now, with the 7457 looming to scale a bit..
Wouldn't it be nice to see a lineup of 1.8 ghz (970 tower), 1.2 ghz (970-low power) pbook, 1.42 ghz (g4) imac, and a 1 ghz (g4) ibook???
<a href="http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/"; target="_blank">Apple's Worldwide Developer Conference</a> May 19-23, 03.
<a href="http://www.seyboldseminars.com/sf2003/"; target="_blank">Seybold Publishing Conference</a> Sept 22-25 03. The G4's were introduced at Seybold 99.
<a href="http://www.namm.com/tradeshow/"; target="_blank">NAMM, Music trade show</a> July 18-20, 03.
I've forgotten the name of the education conference, but they're unlikely to introduce the 970 there.
<strong>Nothing against TransOct, but we have no way of verifying anything anyone says on these boards.</strong><hr></blockquote>
We don't need to verify anything, we need to know what to expect. These days many good people suffer for breaking their NDA and I don't think the end quite justifies the means. On the other hand, we are able to deduce some more or less reliable picture from official information. And this time everything points to 970 coming to Macs this fall. Did you notice nobody questions the idea of 970 in Macs, despite I can't remember any spokesman announcing that? Well, this might be an obvious example, but anyway...
[ 02-14-2003: Message edited by: boy_analog ]</p>
<a href="http://www.siggraph.org/s2003/"; target="_blank">http://www.siggraph.org/s2003/</a>;
Since Apple is not listed as an exhibitor, I doubt it would happen...
And the date of the show (July 27 - 31) is a bit early for the 'projected' 970 intro anyway...
Maybe the Alias|wavefront booth will have sealed units demoing Maya for OS X, with the ASP locked out...
;^p
<strong>Is there an Apple event the end of May or in June? Just wondering...</strong><hr></blockquote>
yes, the introduction of the new ibook.
(or was it in april...?)
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Lemon Bon Bon :cool:
[edit by Amorph: Well, hot damn, there it is. I'm going to close this thread since it seems to be getting flaky. Darned UBB. Please continue in the similarly-named thread that I'll start up]
[ 02-17-2003: Message edited by: Amorph ]</p>