And I'll say it for the last time. You're vilifying one group because you've inflated the significance of poaching and East Asian traditional medicine. And you are wilfully ignoring equal and greater wanton environmental negligence on the part of industrialized western countries such as the US *and* Australia.
God in Heaven, Eugene read my original thread Puh-Leeze....!
I acknowledged right from the outset the possibility that my comments could be misconstrued as racist....
But since when does that mean I should back away from telling the truth as I ( and many others ) see it ?
Have you any idea where most of the illegal ivory is processed & transitted from ?
Have you any idea how many tigers, bears, elephants and other species face extinction because of "asian " medical practices ?
You accuse me of " inflating the significance" of such practices..but you haven't got a clue..have you ?
No disrespect intended, but your ignorance in these matters is both glaring and alarming...
Furthermore, I think it presumptious of you to assume that I don't give a stuff about American & Australian enviromental issues...
For your interest, I just finished reading Farley Mowat's " Never Cry Wolf " ( no wolves in Australia but i still read it ) ....
So in answer to your sweeping generalisation.....Of course I bloody well care..
Except .... T H I S.... topic was about ....Singapore.... OK !
Which.. unless I am mistaken.. is in...... ASIA.....stiff
If the topic was destruction of native flora in Southern California I would have been all ears..because it is not part of my stomping ground and I would be keen to learn something.
Oh yes, I do know you guys are having terrible problems with Australian gum trees invading your native conservation parks...
I understand that eucalypts were introduced as a cash crop for both it's oil and it's timber back in the late 1800's or so I have been told..
It just goes to show that the path to hell is sometimes paved with good intentions....
I apologize for the steam...but sometimes even my humour fails me.. :
The one ray of hope is that quite a few countries are finally acknowledging this problem, and some are doing something about it. Actually, the US, for example, has a pretty good record on species protection over the last 20-30 years despite the best efforts of some in the US who oppose such restrictions. I think the US has done better than Canada, adjusting for the big difference in population pressure between the two countries. Canada has pretty much rested on the fact that it has big, empty spaces, rather than having effective, enforced environmental laws. Shame on this country.
The same problem applies in Australia & in areas of the Amazon & Siberia etc..
Unfortunately, the logistical "costs" are extremly high..
Some of our national park officers have territories of a million square miles to cover while doing their "rounds"
That is where native aboriginal groups are best incorporated into this process.
I have a friend who drives aboriginal elders around the bush, helping them to set it on fire.. ( in a sort of patchwork quilted way ).
It is part of their understanding that the land must undergo such burnings to remain ecologically balanced..
They refer to it as " Blue-tongue ( Lizard ) dreaming "..
And finally Euro-stralians are coming to appreciate that fire..is not an enemy, but a giver of life to these most ancient of lands..
I think there is a degree of hysterics on this one. I know Singapore is highly urbanized, though.
My father-in-law has been there seveeral times for business. He said it's a magnificent place. Apparently, the country is basically run like a business, with a "board of directors" (or equivalent). It suppsoed to be a spotless and nearly crimeless envirnoment.
My father-in-law has been there seveeral times for business. He said it's a magnificent place. Apparently, the country is basically run like a business, with a "board of directors" (or equivalent). It suppsoed to be a spotless and nearly crimeless envirnoment.
And the topic is not Singapore unless your name is FCiB or aquafire
Eugene I am sorry if you thought I was "making" this an issue about Singapore. I was trying to bring focus and attention to what I felt was an alarming trend no less seen in all of the world. I by no means had any intent to single out a country to point a finger at said country. I have no reason to do that. I merely represented the data found in the NG doc that I have linked the issue of lost biodiversity to in this thread. I am sorry if for what ever reason aquafire has been rather over the top towards you including rude language. I never intend for rude comments to be in my threads.
I am saddened by the loss in biodiversity the world over and I welcome the thoughts and ideas that any of you may have.
Gosh, shut up already. Again, YOU were the one that picked out ONE group of people to blame. Who was the one not thinking locally? Globally? At all? Stop responding with the same generic nonsense you already used.
I think I am owed an apology Fellows...
If you bother to read my threads up to this moment, they were all calm & contained....
But as usual I am accustomed to being blamed...for other people's immoderate behaviour....
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Originally posted by Eugene
And I'll say it for the last time. You're vilifying one group because you've inflated the significance of poaching and East Asian traditional medicine. And you are wilfully ignoring equal and greater wanton environmental negligence on the part of industrialized western countries such as the US *and* Australia.
God in Heaven, Eugene read my original thread Puh-Leeze....!
I acknowledged right from the outset the possibility that my comments could be misconstrued as racist....
But since when does that mean I should back away from telling the truth as I ( and many others ) see it ?
Have you any idea where most of the illegal ivory is processed & transitted from ?
Have you any idea how many tigers, bears, elephants and other species face extinction because of "asian " medical practices ?
You accuse me of " inflating the significance" of such practices..but you haven't got a clue..have you ?
No disrespect intended, but your ignorance in these matters is both glaring and alarming...
Furthermore, I think it presumptious of you to assume that I don't give a stuff about American & Australian enviromental issues...
For your interest, I just finished reading Farley Mowat's " Never Cry Wolf " ( no wolves in Australia but i still read it ) ....
So in answer to your sweeping generalisation.....Of course I bloody well care..
Except .... T H I S.... topic was about ....Singapore.... OK !
Which.. unless I am mistaken.. is in...... ASIA.....stiff
If the topic was destruction of native flora in Southern California I would have been all ears..because it is not part of my stomping ground and I would be keen to learn something.
Oh yes, I do know you guys are having terrible problems with Australian gum trees invading your native conservation parks...
I understand that eucalypts were introduced as a cash crop for both it's oil and it's timber back in the late 1800's or so I have been told..
It just goes to show that the path to hell is sometimes paved with good intentions....
I apologize for the steam...but sometimes even my humour fails me..
Have a good weekend Eugene...
No disrespect intended, but your ignorance in these matters is both glaring and alarming...
F'ing hell...forget it.
And the topic is not Singapore unless your name is FCiB or aquafire.
Originally posted by Chinney
The one ray of hope is that quite a few countries are finally acknowledging this problem, and some are doing something about it. Actually, the US, for example, has a pretty good record on species protection over the last 20-30 years despite the best efforts of some in the US who oppose such restrictions. I think the US has done better than Canada, adjusting for the big difference in population pressure between the two countries. Canada has pretty much rested on the fact that it has big, empty spaces, rather than having effective, enforced environmental laws. Shame on this country.
The same problem applies in Australia & in areas of the Amazon & Siberia etc..
Unfortunately, the logistical "costs" are extremly high..
Some of our national park officers have territories of a million square miles to cover while doing their "rounds"
That is where native aboriginal groups are best incorporated into this process.
I have a friend who drives aboriginal elders around the bush, helping them to set it on fire.. ( in a sort of patchwork quilted way ).
It is part of their understanding that the land must undergo such burnings to remain ecologically balanced..
They refer to it as " Blue-tongue ( Lizard ) dreaming "..
And finally Euro-stralians are coming to appreciate that fire..is not an enemy, but a giver of life to these most ancient of lands..
Way to go..8)
My father-in-law has been there seveeral times for business. He said it's a magnificent place. Apparently, the country is basically run like a business, with a "board of directors" (or equivalent). It suppsoed to be a spotless and nearly crimeless envirnoment.
Originally posted by Eugene
F'ing hell...forget it.
And the topic is not Singapore unless your name is FCiB or aquafire.
Read this..( if you dare ) .....Eugene...
http://www.acapworldwide.com/tiger1.htm
It makes for some very interesting reading..especially in reference to the sale of Tiger products in the USA...
Originally posted by SDW2001
My father-in-law has been there seveeral times for business. He said it's a magnificent place. Apparently, the country is basically run like a business, with a "board of directors" (or equivalent). It suppsoed to be a spotless and nearly crimeless envirnoment.
Your father-in-law is one scary person.
Originally posted by Eugene
F'ing hell...forget it.
And the topic is not Singapore unless your name is FCiB or aquafire
Eugene I am sorry if you thought I was "making" this an issue about Singapore. I was trying to bring focus and attention to what I felt was an alarming trend no less seen in all of the world. I by no means had any intent to single out a country to point a finger at said country. I have no reason to do that. I merely represented the data found in the NG doc that I have linked the issue of lost biodiversity to in this thread. I am sorry if for what ever reason aquafire has been rather over the top towards you including rude language. I never intend for rude comments to be in my threads.
I am saddened by the loss in biodiversity the world over and I welcome the thoughts and ideas that any of you may have.
With respect for all in this thread,
Fellowship
Are you people already forgetting that big thing that came out of the ocean and onto the beach in Chile!?
Originally posted by groverat
Mother Nature is evil.
Are you people already forgetting that big thing that came out of the ocean and onto the beach in Chile!?
yes avoid the beach in chile, and come in Cote d'azur : the people sucks but there is no 'things" on the beach, just nice breasts.
However it's not for you anymore Groverat, now you have only the right to watch one model.
Originally posted by Eugene
Gosh, shut up already. Again, YOU were the one that picked out ONE group of people to blame. Who was the one not thinking locally? Globally? At all? Stop responding with the same generic nonsense you already used.
I think I am owed an apology Fellows...
If you bother to read my threads up to this moment, they were all calm & contained....
But as usual I am accustomed to being blamed...for other people's immoderate behaviour....
Originally posted by aquafire
But as usual I am accustomed to being blamed...for other people's immoderate behaviour....
Ah, the accuser plays the victim.
Originally posted by Eugene
Gosh, shut up already. Again, YOU
So this is the accuser playing the victim..Huh ?
Whatever you say...Eugene.....