Panther coming sooner than expected?

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  • Reply 21 of 33
    inkheadinkhead Posts: 155member
    December, December, December, Get it through your head.
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  • Reply 22 of 33
    wwworkwwwork Posts: 140member
    this is what I don't get. It seems like most of the improvements in panther over jaguar are application specific - mail, iChat, textedit, you could say that expose is an application, etc. Also unix is modular right



    so what's with the big monolithic update? What's being rewriten underneath it all that is taking so long? Maybe this is a dumb question.
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  • Reply 23 of 33
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    Well, a lot of these applications are front-ends to frameworks that other applications use. For example, TextEdit is the Cocoa text frameworks put into action, no extra features specific to that app. Mail, iCal, AddressBook, etc. are looking to get Exchange support, which is probably a single framework that all of them access. Help Viewer, Safari, Mail, etc. alll use the WebCore framework, and so on. So while most of the improved stuff is applications to the end user, the architecture underneath is what's mainly being worked on, and being reflected in the updated apps.



    My bet is that Panther will be released on November 24! (just to annoy inkhead)
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  • Reply 24 of 33
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by wwwork

    this is what I don't get. It seems like most of the improvements in panther over jaguar are application specific - mail, iChat, textedit, you could say that expose is an application, etc. Also unix is modular right



    so what's with the big monolithic update? What's being rewriten underneath it all that is taking so long? Maybe this is a dumb question.




    Well, they're updating lots of applications, and they're also updating the underlying system. Quartz is getting an overhaul, and so is Window Manager. Cocoa and Foundation (and doubtless Carbon) are getting lots of new capabilities and optimizations, and so is Classic(!). The BSD layer is going from 4.4 to 5.0, and the compiler's getting rev'd up to 3.3. I'm sure Apple's eager to roll in the latest OpenGL spec as well, since it has some very useful new capabilities.



    Basically, the updates are so huge because Panther is a top-to-bottom improvement. Most testers have reported a significant speed increase overall, and new features are legion.



    So, the updates are big because the update is big, so to speak.
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  • Reply 25 of 33
    dale soreldale sorel Posts: 186member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by inkhead

    December, December, December, Get it through your head.



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  • Reply 26 of 33
    ensign pulverensign pulver Posts: 1,193member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by inkhead

    December, December, December, Get it through your head.



    Get it through my head that you have zero insider knowledge and are just guessing? OK.
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  • Reply 27 of 33
    ensign pulverensign pulver Posts: 1,193member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Dog Almighty

    iMAC, Imac, now i-Mac? It's "iMac," you fools! EXTREME pet-peeve.



    No sh*t! Anyone who calls it "i-Mac" knows NOTHING about OS release schedules.
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  • Reply 28 of 33
    thuh freakthuh freak Posts: 2,664member
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    Originally posted by Ensign Pulver

    Get it through my head that you have zero insider knowledge and are just guessing? OK.



    steveo said by end of the year. december is the last month of the year, hence it is the closest to steve's deadline. of course, any day before the end of the year would also qualify. but when was the last time a tech company released something ahead of an announced schedule?
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  • Reply 29 of 33
    jimmacjimmac Posts: 11,898member
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    Originally posted by thuh Freak

    steveo said by end of the year. december is the last month of the year, hence it is the closest to steve's deadline. of course, any day before the end of the year would also qualify. but when was the last time a tech company released something ahead of an announced schedule?





    My guess is what that means is they didn't want to lock themselves into " By the end of the summer " like they have before.
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  • Reply 30 of 33
    But instead they've locked themselves into "by the end of the year". In good Apple fashion, they will still run it up against the wall. People notoriously bad at meeting deadlines (or being on time) always are, doesn't matter how much lead time you give them.



    If it wasn't for the last minute, nothing would ever get done
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  • Reply 31 of 33
    lundylundy Posts: 4,466member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by neutrino23

    "I think we ended up getting a much better deal by ordering in volume like this," Stiffler said.





    YA THINK? Hehehehehehehe.
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  • Reply 32 of 33
    wwworkwwwork Posts: 140member
    Thanks BuonRotto and Amorph!
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  • Reply 33 of 33
    jwilljwill Posts: 209member
    As long as no one else has it I can wait for it. When it comes, it's all on how much it'll give ME specifically and how much it costs.
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