Korea ... an uncertain truce

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
I know I'm in the minority here on this. But I wish that the US govt would take more drastic measures with N Korea. Being from Korea I do have a great interest in this. Most Koreans in my age group I know would like to see the US completely leave the peninsula. But the fact is that the atrocities being committed in N. Korea make Saddam's actions (I'm not talkin WMD, I'm talkin about the mass graves outside many Iraqi villages) look like the actions of a school yard bully. The problem is that the Kim family, Kim Jung Il and his father before him Kim Il Song are truely nuts, and I read that Kim Jung Il's son make Uday and Qusay look like Santa's elves. Millions are starving in the rural provinces, while high party members live lavishly, paper is so precious that if you were open a new text book you would see the print from what ever previous product that the pages were made from. The paper has probably been recylced several dozen of times. There is no religious freedom, Christians are persecuted especially, thousands have been executed. But the closest thing to spirituality these people are allowed to have is the doctrine of Jui Che, "self-reliance". It is a doctrine of facism and a near cult-like worship of Kim Jung Il and his father. On a final note the avg 8 year old North Korean is 20 lbs lighter and 2-4inches shorter than the avg 8 year old South Korean. Maybe it is time to end the Korean War, break the armistice.... Flame away.
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  • Reply 1 of 21
    liquidrliquidr Posts: 884member
    Did I also mention that they are the only nation in the world without and ISP located within their own borders?
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  • Reply 2 of 21
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    FUBAR.
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  • Reply 3 of 21
    liquidrliquidr Posts: 884member
    originally posted by Moogs

    Quote:

    FUBAR



    My post or the N. Korea situation??



    BTW I think this is the anniversary fot the armistice.
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  • Reply 4 of 21
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    No your post was enlightening quite frankly. I knew things were lousy over there for the civilians but I wasn't aware of the extent. It's hard to find reliable information on this side of the Pacific sometimes, so it's also therefore hard to know what is good journalism and what is wag-the-dog hyperbole.
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  • Reply 5 of 21
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    N. Korea does not make Saddam look like a school yard bully nor does it make Uday and Qusay look like Santa's elves.
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  • Reply 6 of 21
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Scott

    N. Korea does not make Saddam look like a school yard bully nor does it make Uday and Qusay look like Santa's elves.



    Give us some examples please. I imagine you have some info, so please share.
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  • Reply 7 of 21
    cdong4cdong4 Posts: 194member
    No offense but the united states has to take care of some of the problems within its own borders first, Iraq should have never have been tampered with, the only thing that i would have accepted would have been the assasination of Suddam, and new placement for leadership... but that would be illegal and wrong so we must send over hundreds of thousands of our troups for many of them to die, as well as kill innocent (as well as resistful) Iraqis. I don't want to see more of my brothers and sisters die in a place thousands of miles away.
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  • Reply 9 of 21
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by bunge

    Give us some examples please. I imagine you have some info, so please share.



    Read a newspaper. QED
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  • Reply 10 of 21
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    CDonG4:



    Quote:

    ...i would have accepted would have been the assasination of Suddam, and new placement for leadership...



    That would've made sense.



    We assassinate Saddam (which is simple like Counterstrike) and then we "place new leadership".



    It's obvious you thought this one through.
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  • Reply 11 of 21
    cdong4cdong4 Posts: 194member
    hey I'm just saying it would have been better than thousands of people dying thus far. although if that scenario played out, who knows what would have happened... maybe a whole replay of what happened in Panama with Noriega
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  • Reply 12 of 21
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Scott

    Read a newspaper.



    I do read, don't worry. I just thought you might have some personal insight into Korea you could share. I'm certainly not saying Iraq was clean, but I think Korea might be just as bad or worse. I've never read anything to the contrary.
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  • Reply 13 of 21
    liquidrliquidr Posts: 884member
    The only reason millions are not dieing in N. Korea right now is b/c of S. Korean/UN/US economic and food aid. It is projected that 20 million died in N. Korea due to starvation during the 90s. The N. Korean govt. has test fired short, medium and long range missles, all capable of carrying nukes. Missle experts project that the long range missles are capable of hitting the west coast of the US.



    They have kidnapped numerous foreign nationals. They persecute any real religious freedom, all appearance of religious practice is strictly controlled by the govt. They have in the past executed non-sanctioned underground religious groups.



    The govt practices a "Military First" policy, explained in vague philosophical terms that the "People" would not exist without the military. Meaning the military and govt get the lion's share of all resources. Leaving many still starving.



    The govt often releases addresses on how the armistice is only held by their grace and of how the S. should be cleansed of contamination.



    The govt controlled press often release stories on the superhuman abilities of their leader, Kim Jung Il, he can give on the spot advice to physicists and doctors, he's written numerous operas, a double rainbow appeared in the sky when he was born, cherry blossoms bloomed in drought stricken land when he stepped foot there, etc...
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  • Reply 14 of 21
    randycat99randycat99 Posts: 1,919member
    Shouldn't the UN be all over this then? Just what are they up to these days?
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  • Reply 15 of 21
    liquidrliquidr Posts: 884member
    They've refused to deal with the UN. On the nuclear issue they want to deal only with the US. While the Bush admin, the state dept, the UN and S. Korea and Japan have puhed to have bilateral talks, N. Korea has been adamant about dealing solely with the US.
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  • Reply 16 of 21
    randycat99randycat99 Posts: 1,919member
    Regardless, there is a humanitarian component in peril there. The UN should find a way to do what they do. The irrational demands of NK will remain what they are until they wise up- an irrational demand.
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  • Reply 17 of 21
    liquidrliquidr Posts: 884member
    Well, they have been able to send food and economic aid, and they are not the only ones. That is the only reason the crisis isn't at boiling point again. I basically believe N. Korea is extorting the world. Just before the US invasion of Iraq N. Korea test fired a med. range missle in the sea of Japan, they have been known to fire over Japan.
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  • Reply 18 of 21
    randycat99randycat99 Posts: 1,919member
    Fabulous! All that's left to do is to pass a resolution and figure out a way to send in teh inspectors.
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  • Reply 19 of 21
    liquidrliquidr Posts: 884member
    politics...



    N. Korea is still favored somehow by China, we don't want to get our asses kicked back to Pusan again



    Plus with so many questions surrounding the strength of the Japanese economy right now we don't want to destabalize S. Korea, which arguably has the strongest economy in the region
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  • Reply 20 of 21
    randycat99randycat99 Posts: 1,919member
    Well there's the answer to the question (why not more drastic action from US?) you posed in starting this topic in the first place.
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