Why would any kid that's interested in CS attend Harvard? There are so many better choices.
Good point. If you could get into Harvard you think you'd rather go to MIT instead, right? I mean they're even practically down the street from each other
Yes you can; all you do is fill out one form. Typically a few upperclassmen each year find courses in specific areas that they want to take and are not offered at Harvard.
Beleive me, the BA in CS is a booby-prize compared to a BS. AFAIK
You're kind of showing your ignorance here. Some school that are strong in the sciences don't give out BSes at all. Some schools give out a BS in CS that aren't worth shit. But you can't just declare a CS program to be unworthy because it has an "A" on the end of its degree.
Good to know. There may be other materials too? I'm thinking of taking one of the Apple exams (not that it would be a an advantage of any kind, what with mac being most unpopular hereabouts). I took the survey last month and am now eligible to take any of the following exams for free. Which do you think might be most advantageous?
9L0-001 Apple Desktop Service Exam
9L0-050 Mac OS Service and Support Exam
9L0-203 Apple Portable Service Exam
9L0-504 Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server Essentials v10.2 Exam
9L0-603 Mac OS X Administration and Integration v10.2 Exam
9L0-604 Mac OS X Server Administration and Integration v10.2 Exam
You're kind of showing your ignorance here. Some school that are strong in the sciences don't give out BSes at all. Some schools give out a BS in CS that aren't worth shit. But you can't just declare a CS program to be unworthy because it has an "A" on the end of its degree.
Im not ignorant at all. I HAVE the degree. Trust me. A BS in CS is more marketable, and a more well-rounded degree as well. If you want to be an engineer or code for a living (I don't) then a BS is better. Just an observation I have made. Anyway, I think certs are important too. Lots of real-life hands on stuff can be obtained with the right certs.
Im not ignorant at all. I HAVE the degree. Trust me. A BS in CS is more marketable, and a more well-rounded degree as well. If you want to be an engineer or code for a living (I don't) then a BS is better. Just an observation I have made. Anyway, I think certs are important too. Lots of real-life hands on stuff can be obtained with the right certs.
Trust me you are being tad ignorant here. You don't understand the history of some schools and the fact that many eastern liberal arts school only give out "A"s when they are quite strong in the "S"es. These schools got started when there were no "S"es and only "A"s. For those schools it's just a label and has nothing to do with course work or quality of the education.
I know what you are trying to say about the CS degree. I often refer to people having a "real" CS degree. The people who come out of B' schools with a computer degree are pure phonies.
You can't just discount someone's degree because it's an "A" and not an "S". You have to look at the program they came from.
There are several companies that offer non-Apple classes to prep for the ACTC and for the ACSA. ACTC used to be fairly easy (before Jaguar), and was made up of two tests, a basic know-Mac-OS-X test and an OS X Server test. For giggles, I took them without studying. Passed the first easily, and failed the second by two questions.
The ACTC test is now one test, and much harder. It now qualifies as a "real" certification in my book.
Resources for the ACTC:
Mac OS X Server 4-CD set from Mac Academy (helpful if you're not familiar with Terminal and specific uses of command line and offers an over-the-shoulder view of how the trainer uses the things you'll read about in the User Guide and from the Self-Assessment Guides.
The best way to pass the test is the get the Self-Assessment Guide, install and set up Mac OS X Server and practice all the stuff the guide says you should be able to do.
Just my 2 cents.
And, for the record, one should regard degrees as merely showing that you can survive the process by which they are awarded. They prove nothing else.
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Originally posted by Willoughby
A guy from Harvard wouldn't be applying to a typical programming job.
Why would any kid that's interested in CS attend Harvard? There are so many better choices.
Originally posted by gyc
Why would any kid that's interested in CS attend Harvard? There are so many better choices.
Good point. If you could get into Harvard you think you'd rather go to MIT instead, right? I mean they're even practically down the street from each other
http://www.deas.harvard.edu/undergra...ience/FAQ.html
Q: Can I cross register at courses at MIT?
Yes you can; all you do is fill out one form. Typically a few upperclassmen each year find courses in specific areas that they want to take and are not offered at Harvard.
Originally posted by dstranathan
Beleive me, the BA in CS is a booby-prize compared to a BS. AFAIK
You're kind of showing your ignorance here. Some school that are strong in the sciences don't give out BSes at all. Some schools give out a BS in CS that aren't worth shit. But you can't just declare a CS program to be unworthy because it has an "A" on the end of its degree.
http://a640.g.akamai.net/7/640/51/6d...dmin_Guide.pdf
Originally posted by MCQ
I'd take a guess that reading the OS X Server Admin Guide was part of it:
http://a640.g.akamai.net/7/640/51/6d...dmin_Guide.pdf
Good to know. There may be other materials too? I'm thinking of taking one of the Apple exams (not that it would be a an advantage of any kind, what with mac being most unpopular hereabouts). I took the survey last month and am now eligible to take any of the following exams for free. Which do you think might be most advantageous?
9L0-001 Apple Desktop Service Exam
9L0-050 Mac OS Service and Support Exam
9L0-203 Apple Portable Service Exam
9L0-504 Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server Essentials v10.2 Exam
9L0-603 Mac OS X Administration and Integration v10.2 Exam
9L0-604 Mac OS X Server Administration and Integration v10.2 Exam
Originally posted by Scott
You're kind of showing your ignorance here. Some school that are strong in the sciences don't give out BSes at all. Some schools give out a BS in CS that aren't worth shit. But you can't just declare a CS program to be unworthy because it has an "A" on the end of its degree.
Im not ignorant at all. I HAVE the degree. Trust me. A BS in CS is more marketable, and a more well-rounded degree as well. If you want to be an engineer or code for a living (I don't) then a BS is better. Just an observation I have made. Anyway, I think certs are important too. Lots of real-life hands on stuff can be obtained with the right certs.
Originally posted by der Kopf
dstranathan, what study material(s) did you use to prepare for this exam?
There is an out-of-print book (2002) from the Exam Cram series for the 10.1 ACTC cert. I used it. It was OK. I found it used at Amazon for $7.00.
I also used the 10.2 Server's Administrator's Guide (a HUGE PDF).
That part is true, but that doesn't mean that BS's beat BA's in any consistent way--in this area, YMMV greatly.
Originally posted by dstranathan
Im not ignorant at all. I HAVE the degree. Trust me. A BS in CS is more marketable, and a more well-rounded degree as well. If you want to be an engineer or code for a living (I don't) then a BS is better. Just an observation I have made. Anyway, I think certs are important too. Lots of real-life hands on stuff can be obtained with the right certs.
Trust me you are being tad ignorant here. You don't understand the history of some schools and the fact that many eastern liberal arts school only give out "A"s when they are quite strong in the "S"es. These schools got started when there were no "S"es and only "A"s. For those schools it's just a label and has nothing to do with course work or quality of the education.
I know what you are trying to say about the CS degree. I often refer to people having a "real" CS degree. The people who come out of B' schools with a computer degree are pure phonies.
You can't just discount someone's degree because it's an "A" and not an "S". You have to look at the program they came from.
The ACTC test is now one test, and much harder. It now qualifies as a "real" certification in my book.
Resources for the ACTC:
Mac OS X Server 4-CD set from Mac Academy (helpful if you're not familiar with Terminal and specific uses of command line and offers an over-the-shoulder view of how the trainer uses the things you'll read about in the User Guide and from the Self-Assessment Guides.
The best way to pass the test is the get the Self-Assessment Guide, install and set up Mac OS X Server and practice all the stuff the guide says you should be able to do.
Just my 2 cents.
And, for the record, one should regard degrees as merely showing that you can survive the process by which they are awarded. They prove nothing else.
Originally posted by jccbin
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And, for the record, one should regard degrees as merely showing that you can survive the process by which they are awarded. They prove nothing else.
More ignorance