The red, white and blue

the blue meaniethe blue meanie
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in General Discussion edited January 2014
Hmmm, The Blue Meanie thinks this forum is looking a bit stale. Time for some provocation...



PS - A note for all you rebellious colonials on the other side of the Atlantic:- 'Coronation Street' is a nationally watched British soap opera set in Manchester, and Albert Square is the fictional setting for another, 'Eastenders', set in London
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  • Reply 1 of 35
    liquidrliquidr Posts: 884member
    Yes, very thought provoking. Race relations is an odd thing within the US. I myself have many small battles due to my Asian heritage, I've been spit upon and had bottles of piss thrown at me along with the usual slurs. But I count those as the ignorant few. For very good books on Race in the US read "Race Matters" by Cornel West (very intelligent and warm speaker) and "Why We Can't Wait" by MLK Jr.



    I do have to say though some of the minority policies do only favor black-Americans. I remember a few years back UCLA got into a bit of trouble for placing a ceiling on the amount of Asian applicants they were going to admit despite qualifications.
  • Reply 2 of 35
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    Utter bullshit.





    Quote:

    First, on race equality, America has failed in every way possible.



  • Reply 3 of 35
    aquafireaquafire Posts: 2,758member
    Ability, decency, along with every other human value knows no boundary of colour..same goes with stupidity.



    Your "provocation" is a dud..
  • Reply 4 of 35
    aquafireaquafire Posts: 2,758member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Scott

    Utter bullshit.



    Straight up and to the point....
  • Reply 5 of 35
    liquidrliquidr Posts: 884member
    No, America hasn't failed in every aspect of race relations, but it still fails in many. If you were standing on a street corner waiting to cross and was spat upon while being called a racial epiteth you would understand. Many people still do not see or choose not to see that there is still a problem.
  • Reply 6 of 35
    the blue meaniethe blue meanie Posts: 405member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Aquafire





    Your "provocation" is a dud..



    It's not my provocation, mate. I didn't write the article. I'm just tossing it into the bear pit.

    BTW, the author of said article is black
  • Reply 7 of 35
    aquafireaquafire Posts: 2,758member
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Blue Meanie

    " It's not my provocation, mate. "



    Oh so, using the word "Provocation" to connect to the link you provided is not your doing?



    Hmmm must'ave been the tooth fairy eh ?





    " I didn't write the article. I'm just tossing it into the bear pit.



    Sans : agent provocateur...





    BTW, the author of said article is black



    Oh wow..a black man that speaks the " TRUTH "..gee Your sounding like a racist with your patronizing hogwash...has it ever occured to you that truth has no colour..?





    Yeah Welcome to the " Bear Pit "..Blue Meanie



    Only..don't just stand outside the safety glass..



    Come in..come in....we're mostly harmless...excepting for our teeth....& claws...
  • Reply 8 of 35
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    Yes, very stirring.
  • Reply 9 of 35
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,016member
    As Scott said: Utter Bullshit



    I won't even begin to get into the problems with this article.
  • Reply 10 of 35
    hassan i sabbahhassan i sabbah Posts: 3,987member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Aquafire



    Yeah Welcome to the " Bear Pit "..Blue Meanie



    Only..don't just stand outside the safety glass..




    The Blue Meanie's been posting here for more than two years. He ain't no newbie.



    Secondly, black American men do not live as long as white American men and have a one in twelve chance of going to jail. If the present trends continue (I read yesterday), 30% of the black population can expect to go at some point.



    They spend more on jails than social housing in America. This isn't enlightened policy.
  • Reply 11 of 35
    hassan i sabbahhassan i sabbah Posts: 3,987member
    [scott]Yea why dont you put your head up your ass. George Bush is lord and the truth and the way and you hate all of us you want to push israel into the sea[/scott]
  • Reply 12 of 35
    aquafireaquafire Posts: 2,758member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah

    The Blue Meanie's been posting here for more than two years. He ain't no newbie.



    Secondly, black American men do not live as long as white American men and have a one in twelve chance of going to jail. If the present trends continue (I read yesterday), 30% of the black population can expect to go at some point.



    They spend more on jails than social housing in America. This isn't enlightened policy.



    And the ten fold increase (since the 1960's ) in youth suicide, homelessness,divorce, child abuse etc etc etc is all caused by the big bad white man I suppose...?



    No mention of the hispanic population, the asian migrants who succeed under otherwise appalling social conditions etc....



    My beef is the simplistic answers syndrome that seems to permeate much thinking on the left & the right.



    Ps I was here b4 the great crash..when the boomgat fell....ya ya but I is a much nicer person than I was then..

  • Reply 13 of 35
    hassan i sabbahhassan i sabbah Posts: 3,987member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by SDW2001





    I won't even begin to get into the problems with this article.



    Why not?
  • Reply 14 of 35
    trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,464member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah

    The Blue Meanie's been posting here for more than two years. He ain't no newbie.



    Secondly, black American men do not live as long as white American men and have a one in twelve chance of going to jail. If the present trends continue (I read yesterday), 30% of the black population can expect to go at some point.



    They spend more on jails than social housing in America. This isn't enlightened policy.



    So when white men don't live as long as black women and can expect a longer sentence than said women for the same crime what does that say about the racism in our system?



    Are we to believe that black women are the oppressors of white men?



    Nick
  • Reply 15 of 35
    brbr Posts: 8,395member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah

    The Blue Meanie's been posting here for more than two years. He ain't no newbie.



    Secondly, black American men do not live as long as white American men and have a one in twelve chance of going to jail. If the present trends continue (I read yesterday), 30% of the black population can expect to go at some point.



    They spend more on jails than social housing in America. This isn't enlightened policy.



    Well, if we would decriminalize drugs our prisons would empty rather quickly. With drugs being legal there goes a good chunk of the illegal trafficking, the illegal drug dealing, the gang wars and violence over drug territories, et cetera. The war on drugs is a war on the inner cities as well as our freedom to do what we please to our own bodies.
  • Reply 16 of 35
    aquafireaquafire Posts: 2,758member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by BR

    Well, if we would decriminalize drugs our prisons would empty rather quickly. With drugs being legal there goes a good chunk of the illegal trafficking, the illegal drug dealing, the gang wars and violence over drug territories, et cetera. The war on drugs is a war on the inner cities as well as our freedom to do what we please to our own bodies.



    Why is it that americans seem to loathe their inner cities, while the rest of the world is busy making it super trendy to live in ye " olde slums..."



    Trust the Brits to kick the oppressed working class out of their olde slums & hovels & call it progress.



    Yeah america sux in this respect..



    Down with mock georgian restoration...



    At least the americans by and large let their olde slums & hovels be inhabited by slum- landlords & hovellers of olde...( american hobbits )...
  • Reply 17 of 35
    x xx x Posts: 189member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah

    They spend more on jails than social housing in America. This isn't enlightened policy.



    Maybe because America is a capitalist society and not a socialist one.
  • Reply 18 of 35
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    Some of his assertions may have a degree of merit; it's true that most black people who are highly successful, owe that in some part to Affirmative Action. Truthfully I couldn't even tell if he agreed in principle with the idea of AA or not, but I agree with his implication that AA should not be the "sole route" to success.



    But most of his points amount to little more than angry rhetoric, since everything is veiled in obscure personal references and backed up only by his own bias, not factual data.



    In short, I don't feel provoked.



  • Reply 19 of 35
    stupider...likeafoxstupider...likeafox Posts: 1,618member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by X X

    Maybe because America is a capitalist society and not a socialist one.



    That reply doesn't really make sense, particularly as the courts and jails are primarily state run institutions. Here's some links about differing definitions of capitalism and socialism. Maybe you can be more specific?



    http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism



    http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
  • Reply 20 of 35
    the blue meaniethe blue meanie Posts: 405member
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Aquafire

    Quote:

    Oh so, using the word "Provocation" to connect to the link you provided is not your doing?



    Hmmm must'ave been the tooth fairy eh ?



    Yes, i used the word 'provocation' but I didn't write the article, or indeed pass any judgement on its contents.





    [QUOTE]Originally posted by Aquafire

    Quote:

    gee Your sounding like a racist with your patronizing hogwash...



    Hmmm, a volley of unprovoked personal insults and we're still on page one. Way to have a rational, adult discussion, Aquafire!

    Don't you think the fact that the author is black might just mean he has a certain perspective on these issues?
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