First off, the book story is based on no facts at all since all conversations were "conveniently" on the telephone. Second, practices like that are nothing new when dealing with multi-billion dollar corporations. GM banned a well known car reviewer from testing ANY GM vehicle because he trashed the Aztec in a review. I do find it pretty hard to believe that an author would be able to convince a big time publisher that Microsoft was bluffing.
We've had the exact same version of IE for something like 4 years now. Besides some bug fixes and security patches, it is identical to the IE that shipped with the public beta of OSX. Now they say that their stopping development- HELLO!!! THEY STOPPED DEVELOPMENT 2 ****ING YEARS AGO! It's impossible to plause that they where months or a year away from releasing a truly updated version.
The exact same can be said for Office. If they wanted to do damage to Apple by pulling, they would have to do it now. Not a year from now ...NOW. Kind of hard, when they just updated the product line.
Someone mentioned Xbox ... well since it lost just about how much the PS2 made (which is a hell of a lot) it can't even be considered a threat for another 2 years. Oh - I forgot Microsoft has a zillion dollars- the PS2 will get buried)
HELLO!!! THEY STOPPED DEVELOPMENT 2 ****ING YEARS AGO! It's impossible to plause that they where months or a year away from releasing a truly updated version.
You are of course 100% wrong. The successor to the Tasman engine already exists in the OS X native MSN client. It just lacks the upstairs approval to be used in a standalone web browser.
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The exact same can be said for Office. If they wanted to do damage to Apple by pulling, they would have to do it now. Not a year from now ...NOW. Kind of hard, when they just updated the product line.
No, as the recent upgrade wasn't really an upgrade as much as a price adjustment. Microsoft will of course wait until it can make all its moves in one fell swoop. That means they of course need to wait until the next version of Office for WIndows is released, with an incompatible new DOC format among other things.
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Someone mentioned Xbox ... well since it lost just about how much the PS2 made (which is a hell of a lot) it can't even be considered a threat for another 2 years. Oh - I forgot Microsoft has a zillion dollars- the PS2 will get buried)
Nobody thought Sony could burst onto the scene and topple Nintendo and Sega. The XBox is the first step. Microsoft is already swallowing up game developers like there's no tomorrow.
We've had the exact same version of IE for something like 4 years now. Besides some bug fixes and security patches, it is identical to the IE that shipped with the public beta of OSX. Now they say that their stopping development- HELLO!!! THEY STOPPED DEVELOPMENT 2 ****ING YEARS AGO! It's impossible to plause that they where months or a year away from releasing a truly updated version.
You are either poorly informed, naive or too stupid to use google. Read Tantek Celik's weblog at tantek.com. He was the lead developer of the Tasman engine. He was notified that IE for OS X was cancelled by a webmag post and later by a co-worker:
"Sad to say, I found out this morning from folks who pointed this out to me. As reported in PC Pro and confirmed by Jimmy Grewal, who also sent a message to the MacIE-Talk list:
Roz Ho, the general manager of Microsoft's Mac Business Unit, has confirmed that no future versions of Internet Explorer will be released for the Mac.
I don't know anything more than what I've pointed you to but this seems real and I trust Jimmy."
Date 6.13.2003. Somewhat less than the two years you posited. Previous to this Tantek had been posting hints about major revisions to the Tasman engine. It seems that the MSN Tasman release is pretty lame compared to what had been worked on until the IE team was disbanded.
The major players have left the Tasman team. Celik is elsewhere at MS and Grewal has left MS.
You are either poorly informed, naive or too stupid to use google.
To tell you the truth, I just have a life.
Explorer was going to be cut off, this was obviously decided long ago. The App has basicly gone unchanged for 4 years now ... just like the rest of their products. Microsoft doesn't make any money from IE and it was a smart business move to can it. Anything they could have released would have gotten the same ass whoppin from Safari. People can say how kickass is was going to be all they wan't -in reallity, it was most likely a few steps back .. name one M$ product that actually becomes MORE preductive with each release .... exactly.
They can't afford to do the same to Office, The P.C. version is sucking in sales bad enough, they need all the sales from the mac side they can get. As stupid as your comment that they will change the .doc format is - M$ has to do something fast, because 3 years from now people aren't going to be willing to pay $400 for the same ****ing office suit. The backlash would be bigger from the P.C. side then the Mac side if they changed the format.
Within the next two years, Linux will pass Apple and become the #2 desktop platform. This will easily be accomplished without the "killer" M$ office suite. If M$ wants to keep .doc "the standard" it will have to stay on the Mac platform, it's as simple as that.
I don't think I've been in a thread with so many 14 year olds before :shrug:
Yes son, a standard file format has little chance of remaining "the standard" if it's only available on one platform. Microsoft doesn't even have that much pull.
LOL! Explorer only really improved across 2 releases, and thats only because it sucked so bad to begin with.
I don't think I've been in a thread with so many 14 year olds before :shrug:
Nice ad hom.
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Yes son, a standard file format has little chance of remaining "the standard" if it's only available on one platform. Microsoft doesn't even have that much pull.
Then why do the Windows Media formats dominate streaming web content? You seem to be neglecting the fact that Windows is gaining, not losing PC marketshare as global shipments rise.
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LOL! Explorer only really improved across 2 releases, and thats only because it sucked so bad to begin with.
The look and feel of Explorer hasn't changed much over the past few years, but the performance of the Tasman engine had been steadily improving. You of course continue to shrug off how the Mac BU had an entire team chugging away on the successor to the Tasman engine and a new standalone IE when the axe came from above.
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First off, the book story is based on no facts at all since all conversations were "conveniently" on the telephone. Second, practices like that are nothing new when dealing with multi-billion dollar corporations. GM banned a well known car reviewer from testing ANY GM vehicle because he trashed the Aztec in a review. I do find it pretty hard to believe that an author would be able to convince a big time publisher that Microsoft was bluffing.
We've had the exact same version of IE for something like 4 years now. Besides some bug fixes and security patches, it is identical to the IE that shipped with the public beta of OSX. Now they say that their stopping development- HELLO!!! THEY STOPPED DEVELOPMENT 2 ****ING YEARS AGO! It's impossible to plause that they where months or a year away from releasing a truly updated version.
The exact same can be said for Office. If they wanted to do damage to Apple by pulling, they would have to do it now. Not a year from now ...NOW. Kind of hard, when they just updated the product line.
Someone mentioned Xbox ... well since it lost just about how much the PS2 made (which is a hell of a lot) it can't even be considered a threat for another 2 years. Oh - I forgot Microsoft has a zillion dollars- the PS2 will get buried)
Originally posted by the cool gut
I can't believe what I'm reading.
Nor can I.
HELLO!!! THEY STOPPED DEVELOPMENT 2 ****ING YEARS AGO! It's impossible to plause that they where months or a year away from releasing a truly updated version.
You are of course 100% wrong. The successor to the Tasman engine already exists in the OS X native MSN client. It just lacks the upstairs approval to be used in a standalone web browser.
The exact same can be said for Office. If they wanted to do damage to Apple by pulling, they would have to do it now. Not a year from now ...NOW. Kind of hard, when they just updated the product line.
No, as the recent upgrade wasn't really an upgrade as much as a price adjustment. Microsoft will of course wait until it can make all its moves in one fell swoop. That means they of course need to wait until the next version of Office for WIndows is released, with an incompatible new DOC format among other things.
Someone mentioned Xbox ... well since it lost just about how much the PS2 made (which is a hell of a lot) it can't even be considered a threat for another 2 years. Oh - I forgot Microsoft has a zillion dollars- the PS2 will get buried)
Nobody thought Sony could burst onto the scene and topple Nintendo and Sega. The XBox is the first step. Microsoft is already swallowing up game developers like there's no tomorrow.
We've had the exact same version of IE for something like 4 years now. Besides some bug fixes and security patches, it is identical to the IE that shipped with the public beta of OSX. Now they say that their stopping development- HELLO!!! THEY STOPPED DEVELOPMENT 2 ****ING YEARS AGO! It's impossible to plause that they where months or a year away from releasing a truly updated version.
You are either poorly informed, naive or too stupid to use google. Read Tantek Celik's weblog at tantek.com. He was the lead developer of the Tasman engine. He was notified that IE for OS X was cancelled by a webmag post and later by a co-worker:
"Sad to say, I found out this morning from folks who pointed this out to me. As reported in PC Pro and confirmed by Jimmy Grewal, who also sent a message to the MacIE-Talk list:
Roz Ho, the general manager of Microsoft's Mac Business Unit, has confirmed that no future versions of Internet Explorer will be released for the Mac.
I don't know anything more than what I've pointed you to but this seems real and I trust Jimmy."
Date 6.13.2003. Somewhat less than the two years you posited. Previous to this Tantek had been posting hints about major revisions to the Tasman engine. It seems that the MSN Tasman release is pretty lame compared to what had been worked on until the IE team was disbanded.
The major players have left the Tasman team. Celik is elsewhere at MS and Grewal has left MS.
Originally posted by cowerd
He was the lead developer of the Tasman engine. He was notified that IE for OS X was cancelled by a webmag post and later by a co-worker
Naaah, MS would neeeeever do that!
Originally posted by cowerd
You are either poorly informed, naive or too stupid to use google.
To tell you the truth, I just have a life.
Explorer was going to be cut off, this was obviously decided long ago. The App has basicly gone unchanged for 4 years now ... just like the rest of their products. Microsoft doesn't make any money from IE and it was a smart business move to can it. Anything they could have released would have gotten the same ass whoppin from Safari. People can say how kickass is was going to be all they wan't -in reallity, it was most likely a few steps back .. name one M$ product that actually becomes MORE preductive with each release .... exactly.
They can't afford to do the same to Office, The P.C. version is sucking in sales bad enough, they need all the sales from the mac side they can get. As stupid as your comment that they will change the .doc format is - M$ has to do something fast, because 3 years from now people aren't going to be willing to pay $400 for the same ****ing office suit. The backlash would be bigger from the P.C. side then the Mac side if they changed the format.
Within the next two years, Linux will pass Apple and become the #2 desktop platform. This will easily be accomplished without the "killer" M$ office suite. If M$ wants to keep .doc "the standard" it will have to stay on the Mac platform, it's as simple as that.
Originally posted by the cool gut
If M$ wants to keep .doc "the standard" it will have to stay on the Mac platform, it's as simple as that.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
To tell you the truth, I just have a life.
Which obviously involves your own special version of reality
Explorer was going to be cut off, this was obviously decided long ago.
Which is why they had an entire development team working on it.
name one M$ product that actually becomes MORE preductive with each release .... exactly
IE Mac. Until the OSX port. Exactly.
Yes son, a standard file format has little chance of remaining "the standard" if it's only available on one platform. Microsoft doesn't even have that much pull.
LOL! Explorer only really improved across 2 releases, and thats only because it sucked so bad to begin with.
Also, stop being anti-Office, and anti-AppleWorks!
Originally posted by the cool gut
I don't think I've been in a thread with so many 14 year olds before :shrug:
Nice ad hom.
Yes son, a standard file format has little chance of remaining "the standard" if it's only available on one platform. Microsoft doesn't even have that much pull.
Then why do the Windows Media formats dominate streaming web content? You seem to be neglecting the fact that Windows is gaining, not losing PC marketshare as global shipments rise.
LOL! Explorer only really improved across 2 releases, and thats only because it sucked so bad to begin with.
The look and feel of Explorer hasn't changed much over the past few years, but the performance of the Tasman engine had been steadily improving. You of course continue to shrug off how the Mac BU had an entire team chugging away on the successor to the Tasman engine and a new standalone IE when the axe came from above.