Enough with the "Selma" already

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
God Damn. Every other word out of this clown's mouth is "Selma". Am I really to believe that Yale University is participating in an "outrage" and that when we look back at the history of "economic justice" we'll remember Yale University being like Selma Alabama was to civil rights?





Someone tell this guy to STFU.
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  • Reply 1 of 22
    shawnjshawnj Posts: 6,656member
    Whereas Jerry Falwell is not a clown. Ah I see. What's he up to lately while we're at it?



    EDIT 2:



    Quote:

    "Attorney General Richard Blumenthal reminded union officials that Monday?s march is a "historic opportunity to form alliances with small, to mid-sized business owners in the state."



    How clownish of him too.



    Here's another article that puts Jackson's comments in a historical perspective:

    Quote:

    NEW HAVEN, Conn. -- The Rev. Jesse Jackson used the 40th anniversary of the March on Washington Thursday to accuse Yale University of being part of a legacy of broken promises to America's working class.









    "We're at Yale today through a critical mass of economic injustice," Jackson said at a rally in support of striking Yale unions



  • Reply 2 of 22
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ShawnJ

    Whereas Jerry Falwell is not a clown.



    Ah I see, Falwell is a clown, but Hitler wasn't? So that's how it is!?



    Falwell's stance on MLK, Selma, or anything shouldn't be taken seriously, so there's not much of a reason to inject him into the thread. Falwell's being doesn't change how we should view Jesse Jackson.
  • Reply 3 of 22
    shawnjshawnj Posts: 6,656member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Eugene

    Ah I see, Falwell is a clown, but Hitler wasn't? So that's how it is!?



    Let's keep the comparisons to influential leaders of movements in our country who are still alive. That should exclude Hitler. But you're probably right.



    My unstated point was that I perceive civil rights leaders in a better light than I do religious right leaders. What Jesse Jackson did and said was legitimate and far from clownish in my view.



    His comments at least have some historical grounds-- but you sure didn't get that from the article. It just wasn't included.



    Yale Daily News gets into the details of the strike a little further.

    NBC30 (New Haven/ Hartford) provides the best article justifying his remarks.



    So it's not just "Selma, Selma, Selma." That may have been an effective rallying cry during the demonstration-- but Jackson has far more to say.
  • Reply 4 of 22
    So did the state Attorney General get arrested too?? I'd like to see how the officer explains that to the police chief.
  • Reply 5 of 22
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ShawnJ

    What Jesse Jackson did and said was legitimate and far from clownish in my view.



    Protests, OK.

    Marches, OK.

    Blocking traffic to stick it to whomever, not OK.
  • Reply 6 of 22
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Eugene

    Protests, OK.

    Marches, OK.

    Blocking traffic to stick it to whomever, not OK.




    not OK /= clownish.
  • Reply 7 of 22
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by bunge

    not OK /= clownish.



    You're right, it's devious and childish.
  • Reply 8 of 22
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    Wow this went off topic fast. Once again the hit men here at AI take threads of unpopular members off topic as fast as they can. Did I ever say that Jerry Falwell was or wasn't a clown? Did I ever say anything at all about him? Why bring him up? If you're going to pull a thread off topic SPJ find a more intelligent way to do it.
  • Reply 9 of 22
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Eugene

    You're right, it's devious and childish.



    I suppose racism is too.
  • Reply 10 of 22
    shawnjshawnj Posts: 6,656member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Scott

    Wow this went off topic fast. Once again the hit men here at AI take threads of unpopular members off topic as fast as they can. Did I ever say that Jerry Falwell was or wasn't a clown? Did I ever say anything at all about him? Why bring him up? If you're going to pull a thread off topic SPJ find a more intelligent way to do it.



    Well, that wasn't my intention. I intended to compare him to a similarly prominent national movement leader and what he's done lately. The goal of some of these national movements is dubious in my view-- like the religious right's crusade against homosexuality, porn, and the separation of church and state-- I mean those are exclusive things that really only benefit one group.



    At the same time (Jackson's actions don't exist in a vacuum), Jackson is getting arrested to cause awareness for civil rights and labor issues at Yale. Comparatively, he's fighting for generally good things in my view-- far more legitimate than some of the other movements in our country.



    In the end I suppose it's just an evaluative point--subjective-- but I think it's one that needed to be made.
  • Reply 11 of 22
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ShawnJ

    Well, that wasn't my intention. I intended to compare him to a similarly prominent national movement leader and what he's done lately. The goal of some of these national movements is dubious in my view-- like the religious right's crusade against homosexuality, porn, and the separation of church and state-- I mean those are exclusive things that really only benefit one group.





    are you suggesting they not be allowed to voice their opinions?
  • Reply 12 of 22
    trumptmantrumptman Posts: 16,452member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ShawnJ

    Well, that wasn't my intention. I intended to compare him to a similarly prominent national movement leader and what he's done lately. The goal of some of these national movements is dubious in my view-- like the religious right's crusade against homosexuality, porn, and the separation of church and state-- I mean those are exclusive things that really only benefit one group.



    At the same time (Jackson's actions don't exist in a vacuum), Jackson is getting arrested to cause awareness for civil rights and labor issues at Yale. Comparatively, he's fighting for generally good things in my view-- far more legitimate than some of the other movements in our country.



    In the end I suppose it's just an evaluative point--subjective-- but I think it's one that needed to be made.




    Set up straw man (Falwell), knock down straw man(Falwell bad), declare original argument. (Jesse Jackson disrupting traffic and people doing no harm) defeated.



    Nick
  • Reply 13 of 22
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    I don't care so much about the labor relations or getting arrested, the only purpose of which is to get more money for Jesse NOT to bring these issues to the media's attention, but the constant references to "Selma" or "Birmingham" or any of the other significant places of civil rights movement. This is just over the top rhetoric on the part of Jesse Jackson to increase the heat on Yale to make a large payout to Jesse Jackson. In essence he's trading off the civil rights movement's legacy to line his pockets with cash. All to the detriment of real race relations in this country.



    What's a young kid, who looks around Yale and sees what's going on, to think of the events in Selma Alabama when Jesse Jackson compares the two? He might think the civil rights movements was nothing more than cake walk with a few hours in jail and citation no one intends to enforce.
  • Reply 14 of 22
    Darn, I thought this was going to be a thread about Selma Hayek.
  • Reply 15 of 22
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ShawnJ

    Jackson is getting arrested to cause awareness for civil rights and labor issues at Yale



    change that to:



    "To cause awareness for himself and put himself in the spotlight again"



    and you are probably more accurate. seems this guy would die without getting on the news all the time.
  • Reply 16 of 22
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by bunge

    I suppose racism is too.



    And?
  • Reply 17 of 22
    giantgiant Posts: 6,041member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Scott

    Wow this went off topic fast. Once again the hit men here at AI take threads of unpopular members off topic as fast as they can.



    Scott's on to you guys.
  • Reply 18 of 22
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Eugene

    And?



    I would say racism isn't childish, it's too threatening to be childish. Fighting it isn't childish either.
  • Reply 19 of 22
    shawnjshawnj Posts: 6,656member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by superkarate monkeydeathcar

    are you suggesting they not be allowed to voice their opinions?



    No.



    Quote:

    Originally posted by trumptman

    Set up straw man (Falwell), knock down straw man(Falwell bad), declare original argument. (Jesse Jackson disrupting traffic and people doing no harm) defeated.





    Let's not.



    Quote:

    Originally posted by Scott

    I don't care so much about the labor relations or getting arrested, the only purpose of which is to get more money for Jesse NOT to bring these issues to the media's attention, but the constant references to "Selma" or "Birmingham" or any of the other significant places of civil rights movement. This is just over the top rhetoric on the part of Jesse Jackson to increase the heat on Yale to make a large payout to Jesse Jackson. In essence he's trading off the civil rights movement's legacy to line his pockets with cash. All to the detriment of real race relations in this country.



    What's a young kid, who looks around Yale and sees what's going on, to think of the events in Selma Alabama when Jesse Jackson compares the two? He might think the civil rights movements was nothing more than cake walk with a few hours in jail and citation no one intends to enforce.




    Jesse Jackson's only purpose in New Haven was to...make money? I don't see how he will profit at all-- nevermind profit being his sole reason for being at Yale. He wasn't hawking self-help books. He was fighting for labor relations and economic justice at Yale. So did the Attorney General and Secretary of State of Connecticut. The latter didn't get arrested, but then again, the country wouldn't have really known about the issue had Jackson and others not gotten arrested.



    Can you explain the part how Yale supposedly will "pay" Jesse Jackson?



    I don't think that's what it was about.
  • Reply 20 of 22
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    They will be coerced into giving a large amount of money to one of his "charities" to get ride of him.
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