Well perhaps you can point out another vendor for low powered chips - the 1GHz is using under 10 watts.
It's clear enough to me what their focus is - and it would seem that doesn't include fast, power consuming chips for desktops.
If the 970 does pan out then I think we're likely to see them in desktop units and 7457/7447s in laptops.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, the 970 will make it into the high end powerbook as soon as Apple can put it there. If IBM is delivering them in the .9 nm process by the end of the year I would expect Apple to release a 970 PowerBook before the year is out...Why you might ask? Bragging rights, and Apples focus on "the year of the laptops" what will take the 970 PM out of the spotlight? a 17" 970 PB at 1.4 Ghz.
<strong>2 years between a f*cking DIE-SHRINK is not good enough! Motorola retards.
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Hmmm, let's see, SOI, .18um -> .13um, 256k -> 512k L2 - in contrast to this, which additional major architectural changes did the Athlon or P4 undergo in the last 2 years?
I'm not opposed to simple die shrinks. I'm opposed when it's 2 years between ANYTHING.
AMD went from Thunderbird, to Palamino, to Thourghbred, to Barton in 2 years. Sure they were basically die-shrinks and more MHz, but they were lots of them.
Intel introduced Hyperthreading (fancy name for SMT). That's a pretty big thang.
SOI is around now with the 7455, which was introduced a year ago. Almost 2 years between updates. Motorola morons.
I don`t feel like reading all that right now. Can some one just tell me, Did MOT shrink the die? .18 microns was quite sad. Atleast they are catching up. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Once again proving that you can't overestimate Motorola. If I was Apple, I'd be looking at putting G3s on IBM's sweet new PPC970 bus architecture. That way they could kick Motorola's ass out of their consumer lines as soon as possible. Or am I just out for blood?
I guess you can't blame Moto too much. The embedded market is something like 8 times the size of the desktop market.
How can people think that the 12" PowerBook is due for an update when most stores still haven't filled back orders yet?
Plus, the 17" PowerBook hasn't even started to ship and probably won't be available to buy from most retailers until April. How can people think that it will be updated so soon?
We might see a new 15" PowerBook that has a 1 GHz G4, Airport Extreme, Bluetooth, and Firewire 800 sometime after the 17" PowerBook starts shipping (so the 15" does not canibalize sales). But to expect more than that is giving Apple way too much credit.
<strong>How can people think that the 12" PowerBook is due for an update when most stores still haven't filled back orders yet?
Plus, the 17" PowerBook hasn't even started to ship and probably won't be available to buy from most retailers until April. How can people think that it will be updated so soon? </strong><hr></blockquote>
The PB 17" will be in stores before April unless something screwy happens.
As for updating the new PBs already, if all they are doing is switching chips, then that's certainly possible. They wouldn't necessarily be upping the speeds, just swapping the 74x5s for 74x7s. There would be no announcement of course.
Also, Sun just made their NC'03 Q1 hadware announcements and they're moving to a quarterly hardware update model. It sort of hints at what Apple is doing with its "Spring" iMacs. I think hardware announcements will be much more frequent this year than in years past...
<strong>Once again proving that you can't overestimate Motorola. If I was Apple, I'd be looking at putting G3s on IBM's sweet new PPC970 bus architecture. That way they could kick Motorola's ass out of their consumer lines as soon as possible. Or am I just out for blood? </strong><hr></blockquote>
You're out for blood. The G3 has no AltiVec unit (bye-bye SuperDrive/iDVD), and it can't be hooked up to the 970's bus. The only bus the G3 supports is the antiquated 60x bus, which makes MaxBus look like the cat's meow.
<strong>Also, Sun just made their NC'03 Q1 hardware announcements and they're moving to a quarterly hardware update model. It sort of hints at what Apple is doing with its "Spring" iMacs. I think hardware announcements will be much more frequent this year than in years past...</strong><hr></blockquote>
i was thinking the same thing last week when they announced the spring edition imac but i got stuck in the process: the summer update; the fall update; the winter update. what will be the speed increases? how slow will this process go? 133-167mhz in a time? i don't expect much higher speeds for the tower in the next 4-6 months. or apple would really suprice me (and i got myself a sweet new toy this year)
You're out for blood. The G3 has no AltiVec unit (bye-bye SuperDrive/iDVD), and it can't be hooked up to the 970's bus. The only bus the G3 supports is the antiquated 60x bus, which makes MaxBus look like the cat's meow.</strong><hr></blockquote>
750FX supports full DDR-RAM memory bandwidth, IMO </strong><hr></blockquote>
Nope. The 750FX supports up to 200MHz FSB, but it's still the old single data rate 60x bus (just clocked faster). It would be interesting to see a performance comparison between 200MHz 60x bus and 167MHz MPX bus, though.
No, the 970 will make it into the high end powerbook as soon as Apple can put it there.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think anyone doubts that, but that's going to happen a long time after it goes in desktops. I think it's optimistic to think we're going to see any 970s before the end of the year, 970s in PowerBooks are going to be at least six months after that - so this time next year, at the earliest.
I don't think anyone doubts that, but that's going to happen a long time after it goes in desktops.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, if the low-voltage 970 dissipates a bit less heat at 1.2GHz than the current 7455 dissipates at 1GHz - as it appears to - then I could see Apple stuffing a 970 into PowerBooks for their November-ish update.
I had no idea that the 1GHz 7455 used 21W typical. Granted, that doesn't make it a power hog by any stretch of the imagination, but it does mean that the .13μ 970 is a candidate to replace it right out of the starting gate.
The much cooler 7457 (or 7447) can then grace the iBook in about the same time frame.
You know, this just might be a really good year to be a Mac fan.
I had no idea that the 1GHz 7455 used 21W typical. Granted, that doesn't make it a power hog by any stretch of the imagination, but it does mean that the .13μ 970 is a candidate to replace it right out of the starting gate.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The 7455 in the desktops dissipate 21 watts. The low-power version in the PowerBooks probably dissipate closer to 15 watts typical, if that.
The 7455 in the desktops dissipate 21 watts. The low-power version in the PowerBooks probably dissipate closer to 15 watts typical, if that.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I knew that.
Really.
I just wasn't thinking when I wrote that. My first post was right, however.
The 7457/7447 isn't in the new xServes, is it? Because I saw that the 7457/7447 goes up to 1.33 gigahertz, the exact speed of the new xServes. When IBM announces something, are they unveiling it, or are they announcing that it , in the future, will begin production?
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Well perhaps you can point out another vendor for low powered chips - the 1GHz is using under 10 watts.
It's clear enough to me what their focus is - and it would seem that doesn't include fast, power consuming chips for desktops.
If the 970 does pan out then I think we're likely to see them in desktop units and 7457/7447s in laptops.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, the 970 will make it into the high end powerbook as soon as Apple can put it there. If IBM is delivering them in the .9 nm process by the end of the year I would expect Apple to release a 970 PowerBook before the year is out...Why you might ask? Bragging rights, and Apples focus on "the year of the laptops" what will take the 970 PM out of the spotlight? a 17" 970 PB at 1.4 Ghz.
<strong>2 years between a f*cking DIE-SHRINK is not good enough! Motorola retards.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hmmm, let's see, SOI, .18um -> .13um, 256k -> 512k L2 - in contrast to this, which additional major architectural changes did the Athlon or P4 undergo in the last 2 years?
Bye,
RazzFazz
AMD went from Thunderbird, to Palamino, to Thourghbred, to Barton in 2 years. Sure they were basically die-shrinks and more MHz, but they were lots of them.
Intel introduced Hyperthreading (fancy name for SMT). That's a pretty big thang.
SOI is around now with the 7455, which was introduced a year ago. Almost 2 years between updates. Motorola morons.
Barto
I guess you can't blame Moto too much. The embedded market is something like 8 times the size of the desktop market.
Plus, the 17" PowerBook hasn't even started to ship and probably won't be available to buy from most retailers until April. How can people think that it will be updated so soon?
We might see a new 15" PowerBook that has a 1 GHz G4, Airport Extreme, Bluetooth, and Firewire 800 sometime after the 17" PowerBook starts shipping (so the 15" does not canibalize sales). But to expect more than that is giving Apple way too much credit.
Remember, this is Apple we're talking about here.
<strong>How can people think that the 12" PowerBook is due for an update when most stores still haven't filled back orders yet?
Plus, the 17" PowerBook hasn't even started to ship and probably won't be available to buy from most retailers until April. How can people think that it will be updated so soon? </strong><hr></blockquote>
The PB 17" will be in stores before April unless something screwy happens.
As for updating the new PBs already, if all they are doing is switching chips, then that's certainly possible. They wouldn't necessarily be upping the speeds, just swapping the 74x5s for 74x7s. There would be no announcement of course.
Also, Sun just made their NC'03 Q1 hadware announcements and they're moving to a quarterly hardware update model. It sort of hints at what Apple is doing with its "Spring" iMacs. I think hardware announcements will be much more frequent this year than in years past...
<strong>Once again proving that you can't overestimate Motorola. If I was Apple, I'd be looking at putting G3s on IBM's sweet new PPC970 bus architecture. That way they could kick Motorola's ass out of their consumer lines as soon as possible. Or am I just out for blood? </strong><hr></blockquote>
You're out for blood. The G3 has no AltiVec unit (bye-bye SuperDrive/iDVD), and it can't be hooked up to the 970's bus. The only bus the G3 supports is the antiquated 60x bus, which makes MaxBus look like the cat's meow.
<strong>Also, Sun just made their NC'03 Q1 hardware announcements and they're moving to a quarterly hardware update model. It sort of hints at what Apple is doing with its "Spring" iMacs. I think hardware announcements will be much more frequent this year than in years past...</strong><hr></blockquote>
i was thinking the same thing last week when they announced the spring edition imac but i got stuck in the process: the summer update; the fall update; the winter update. what will be the speed increases? how slow will this process go? 133-167mhz in a time? i don't expect much higher speeds for the tower in the next 4-6 months. or apple would really suprice me (and i got myself a sweet new toy this year)
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You're out for blood. The G3 has no AltiVec unit (bye-bye SuperDrive/iDVD), and it can't be hooked up to the 970's bus. The only bus the G3 supports is the antiquated 60x bus, which makes MaxBus look like the cat's meow.</strong><hr></blockquote>
750FX supports full DDR-RAM memory bandwidth, IMO
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750FX supports full DDR-RAM memory bandwidth, IMO </strong><hr></blockquote>
Nope. The 750FX supports up to 200MHz FSB, but it's still the old single data rate 60x bus (just clocked faster). It would be interesting to see a performance comparison between 200MHz 60x bus and 167MHz MPX bus, though.
Bye,
RazzFazz
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No, the 970 will make it into the high end powerbook as soon as Apple can put it there.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think anyone doubts that, but that's going to happen a long time after it goes in desktops. I think it's optimistic to think we're going to see any 970s before the end of the year, 970s in PowerBooks are going to be at least six months after that - so this time next year, at the earliest.
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I don't think anyone doubts that, but that's going to happen a long time after it goes in desktops.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, if the low-voltage 970 dissipates a bit less heat at 1.2GHz than the current 7455 dissipates at 1GHz - as it appears to - then I could see Apple stuffing a 970 into PowerBooks for their November-ish update.
I had no idea that the 1GHz 7455 used 21W typical. Granted, that doesn't make it a power hog by any stretch of the imagination, but it does mean that the .13μ 970 is a candidate to replace it right out of the starting gate.
The much cooler 7457 (or 7447) can then grace the iBook in about the same time frame.
You know, this just might be a really good year to be a Mac fan.
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I had no idea that the 1GHz 7455 used 21W typical. Granted, that doesn't make it a power hog by any stretch of the imagination, but it does mean that the .13μ 970 is a candidate to replace it right out of the starting gate.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The 7455 in the desktops dissipate 21 watts. The low-power version in the PowerBooks probably dissipate closer to 15 watts typical, if that.
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The 7455 in the desktops dissipate 21 watts. The low-power version in the PowerBooks probably dissipate closer to 15 watts typical, if that.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I knew that.
Really.
I just wasn't thinking when I wrote that. My first post was right, however.