and all based around what? Passport? HAHAHAHA *wipes tears of mirth*
the same Passport spyware that passes your info to 3rd parties?
the same Passport that has already been hacked and leaks credit card info?
wonder why more companies aren't jumping on board
Passport was a web-service based application written with .net. It has nothing to do with it... Thats like saying we should throw out C++ because it can be used to write viruses.
It's major thing is being an application framework.
Cocoa is a framework. Java w/o Cocoa is a framework. Win32 is a framework. DOS is not much of a framework (couldn't help saying that.) Microsoft's "logic" goes like this: "Well, we need a solution that works with WinXP, WinXP Embed, WinCE, WinMobile, etc. but not Mac OS X, Palm OS, Linux, etc." So they came up with ".Net" by taking ActiveX and enhancing it to be a real platform for full-blown bloatware like Word and Photoshop. The second major .Net thing is a place where MS can take your credit card numbers and other personal info, sell your phone number to advertisers, your e-mail addr. and addr. to spammers, and let hackers get your credit card number.
Not quite true. We had MS here a year ago trying to sell our company on .Net (we do LOTS of COM development work) and their technical guys were answering any fielded question from some of our technical guys. One question was this: how does .Net deal with the fact that Windows GUI work is all about pointers, etc. The answer was that you would have to wrap all your GUI code in unmanaged blocks. Basically, .Net doesn't do full windows GUIs all that well and so you can't really call it an application framework, except in the loosest sense (because it can wrap plain ol C++ code). .Net is a service framework and it works well as that (which is how we do use it, along with Java). Maybe .Net has come out with some .Net classes that wrap the horror of MFC, but I haven't heard anything about this.
We had MS here a year ago trying to sell our company on .Net (we do LOTS of COM development work) and their technical guys were answering any fielded question from some of our technical guys. One question was this: how does .Net deal with the fact that Windows GUI work is all about pointers, etc. The answer was that you would have to wrap all your GUI code in unmanaged blocks. Basically, .Net doesn't do full windows GUIs all that well and so you can't really call it an application framework, except in the loosest sense (because it can wrap plain ol C++ code). .Net is a service framework and it works well as that (which is how we do use it, along with Java). Maybe .Net has come out with some .Net classes that wrap the horror of MFC, but I haven't heard anything about this.
Totally untrue. I have written the nicest Windows GUI I've ever written using .net 1.0 in C#... Its there and it has been from day one.
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Originally posted by curiousuburb
and script kiddies, hackers, wormwriters, etc.
and all based around what? Passport? HAHAHAHA *wipes tears of mirth*
the same Passport spyware that passes your info to 3rd parties?
the same Passport that has already been hacked and leaks credit card info?
wonder why more companies aren't jumping on board
Passport was a web-service based application written with .net. It has nothing to do with it... Thats like saying we should throw out C++ because it can be used to write viruses.
Originally posted by ryaxnb
It's major thing is being an application framework.
Cocoa is a framework. Java w/o Cocoa is a framework. Win32 is a framework. DOS is not much of a framework (couldn't help saying that.) Microsoft's "logic" goes like this: "Well, we need a solution that works with WinXP, WinXP Embed, WinCE, WinMobile, etc. but not Mac OS X, Palm OS, Linux, etc." So they came up with ".Net" by taking ActiveX and enhancing it to be a real platform for full-blown bloatware like Word and Photoshop. The second major .Net thing is a place where MS can take your credit card numbers and other personal info, sell your phone number to advertisers, your e-mail addr. and addr. to spammers, and let hackers get your credit card number.
Not quite true. We had MS here a year ago trying to sell our company on .Net (we do LOTS of COM development work) and their technical guys were answering any fielded question from some of our technical guys. One question was this: how does .Net deal with the fact that Windows GUI work is all about pointers, etc. The answer was that you would have to wrap all your GUI code in unmanaged blocks. Basically, .Net doesn't do full windows GUIs all that well and so you can't really call it an application framework, except in the loosest sense (because it can wrap plain ol C++ code). .Net is a service framework and it works well as that (which is how we do use it, along with Java). Maybe .Net has come out with some .Net classes that wrap the horror of MFC, but I haven't heard anything about this.
Originally posted by Yevgeny
We had MS here a year ago trying to sell our company on .Net (we do LOTS of COM development work) and their technical guys were answering any fielded question from some of our technical guys. One question was this: how does .Net deal with the fact that Windows GUI work is all about pointers, etc. The answer was that you would have to wrap all your GUI code in unmanaged blocks. Basically, .Net doesn't do full windows GUIs all that well and so you can't really call it an application framework, except in the loosest sense (because it can wrap plain ol C++ code). .Net is a service framework and it works well as that (which is how we do use it, along with Java). Maybe .Net has come out with some .Net classes that wrap the horror of MFC, but I haven't heard anything about this.
Totally untrue. I have written the nicest Windows GUI I've ever written using .net 1.0 in C#... Its there and it has been from day one.
see System.Windows.Forms:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...ndowsforms.asp
It is a fine programming language but PHP, Perl, Java, JSP and even classic ASP can produce the same output which is inevitably HTML.
.NET/C# is a step up from ASP, sure but personally I'd rather do everything in PHP. Too bad my employer is a Microsoft shop
Originally posted by Jukebox Hero
Totally untrue. I have written the nicest Windows GUI I've ever written using .net 1.0 in C#... Its there and it has been from day one.
see System.Windows.Forms:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...ndowsforms.asp
Sweet! Things have changed since I last looked at .Net. My part of our company doesn't do anything but C++. Hopefully this spells the end of MFC.