<strong>I hope that there is a leak from someone at the May conference...that would tide me over. Maybe someone that goes to the conference takes a picture of a presentation, and then, say, posts it on ,say , Ebay? </strong><hr></blockquote>
No cameras allowed. And yes, they say we are under a global NDA. But last year the whole conference hall was equipped with wireless access and you could forward a play-by play to anywhere during the keynote.
I was surprised not to see it here - we ran a live play by play on DSL Reports with no problem. This was the keynote with the OS 9 in the coffin and the organ music and the new features of Jaguar.
<strong>Although I remember one year that we had some 'unannouced' tracks, and track that changed on Monday after the keynote.. (I must be getting old, cause I don't remember what they announced that year).</strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>Probably banned from future WWDC and your ADC subscription revoked for life...think about it...Apple takes this stuff very seriously!</strong><hr></blockquote>
The stuff Steve and Co. say in the general sessions are under NDA, but it all appears live on MacCentral, etc. - everyone is transcribing in real-time.
The real stuff isn't on the main menu. That's where you have an actual document to sign.
Maybe this year they'll take away the WAPs like they do at MWSF and MWNY. That would be a good sign if so - but anyone could make a phone call.
Please help to refresh my memory. Didn't Apple preview the G4 and Dual Processors at WWDCs? This let everyone know they were for real, but didn't knock the floor out from under the company.
If we are going to see the 970 this summer, then I would expect some sort of display of it at WWDC. As a previous poster said, this is all under NDA. Apple could give a closed-door exhibition of the machine and let devs know about it w/o a full fledged announcement.
Of coarse, rumors would make their way on to the net, but wouldn't this help to build a buzz around Apple?
If Apple is to release machines built around the 970 this year, they will need to talk about the 970 in May or at least 64bit development. This is something they can't keep secret until the last minute. Everyone and their mothers know about the 970. Every 970 article point to Apple as a very probable user. At this point it's no secret.
<strong>If Apple is to release machines built around the 970 this year, they will need to talk about the 970 in May or at least 64bit development. This is something they can't keep secret until the last minute. Everyone and their mothers know about the 970. Every 970 article point to Apple as a very probable user. At this point it's no secret.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not sure that is not neccecarely true becouse the 970 should run all current software at 100% efficiency, and Apple might not have a 64 bit OS and or development tools ready at WWDC. In fact, from what I understand, Apple could release a 970 with a 32 bit OS with no performance penilty, and save the 64 bitness for the next release.
I would love to see Apple pull 64 bit. I also think they need it...for show against Intel and AMD.
I think the two main attractions at WWDC this year will be some kind of incarnation of the 970 even if it is just a software emulation and Mac OS 10.3.
I do not think Apple could just release a 970 to the public without any show what so ever to developers...developers have the right to know what is coming out so they can program accordingly.
I'm not sure that is not neccecarely true becouse the 970 should run all current software at 100% efficiency, and Apple might not have a 64 bit OS and or development tools ready at WWDC. In fact, from what I understand, Apple could release a 970 with a 32 bit OS with no performance penilty, and save the 64 bitness for the next release.</strong><hr></blockquote>
970 machines wouldn't run all software without modification. the motherboard would be a radical departure from anything they have out now. Drivers will break. Some intensive memory access apps may need minor tweaks. IBM's altivec implimentation is unchecked. Even if 64bit was not going to be affected, they still need to support their developers with advanced info.
Not to mention those developers (Oracle, for one) who will deploy apps that require 64 bits support. They'll want to try out their code on real hardware until they're sure it runs without a hitch.
Apple must realize that if they are planning a "secret" showing of the 970 to more than a handful of developers, they might as well do a full blown announcement.
Given the dozens of rumour sites, it only takes one loose-lipped developer trying to impress his friends for all the information to get out. The wonder of the Internet is that it's almost impossible to keep a secret.
I'd pretty much guarantee that they will either do an announcement, or show at most 5-6 developers, all whom have their neck on the line if anything gets out.
Besides, even if the developers say nothing, we'll be able to tell if there's a demo of the 970. If even 1/10 the 970 excitement is borne out by reality, there will be a rash of Mac developers' heads exploding while trying to keep this news to themselves :-).
<strong>Drivers will break. Some intensive memory access apps may need minor tweaks. IBM's altivec implimentation is unchecked. Even if 64bit was not going to be affected, they still need to support their developers with advanced info.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You mean like they did with OS X?
What drivers? Pretty much all of the I/O drivers are supplied by Apple right? Memory access would be backwards compatible. Does OS X even have a way to access memory without going through the OS anymore?
I think if Apple shipped at WWDC all the Apple apps would be available and the vast majority of third party apps would run unmodified.
<strong>Maybe this year they'll take away the WAPs like they do at MWSF and MWNY. That would be a good sign if so - but anyone could make a phone call.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hell, one bluetooth to GPRS connection and it'd be all over the web. Hoisted by their own petard!
What drivers? Pretty much all of the I/O drivers are supplied by Apple right? Memory access would be backwards compatible. Does OS X even have a way to access memory without going through the OS anymore?
I think if Apple shipped at WWDC all the Apple apps would be available and the vast majority of third party apps would run unmodified.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, well, we knew OS X was coming months and years before it was released.
<strong>Apple must realize that if they are planning a "secret" showing of the 970 to more than a handful of developers, they might as well do a full blown announcement.
Given the dozens of rumour sites, it only takes one loose-lipped developer trying to impress his friends for all the information to get out. The wonder of the Internet is that it's almost impossible to keep a secret.
I'd pretty much guarantee that they will either do an announcement, or show at most 5-6 developers, all whom have their neck on the line if anything gets out.
Besides, even if the developers say nothing, we'll be able to tell if there's a demo of the 970. If even 1/10 the 970 excitement is borne out by reality, there will be a rash of Mac developers' heads exploding while trying to keep this news to themselves :-).</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thanks captain obvious. Tell me Tom, do you own a PC? Because I don't imagine you own a Mac. After all, every post you've written is about how Apple is incapable of doing anything. In this case, a secret announcement for select developers.
[quote]Tell me Tom, do you own a PC? Because I don't imagine you own a Mac. After all, every post you've written is about how Apple is incapable of doing anything.<hr></blockquote>
Actually, I've been using Mac's since the Fat Mac days, and as technical manager, I'm responsible for our company being a Mac shop, mainly because I'd rather not spend 80% of my day handling support issues. (Switch to Windows -> double your tech support workload.)
However, I'm also realistic about what Apple (or other companies) are likely to be able to do. Thus, not suprisingly, I actually do not tend to criticize Apple much. I find most of the criticism around here is for Apple failing to do what they never promised. Rumours are fun, but there's a disturbing tendency for people to expect Apple to conform to the massive wish-fulfilment that seems common on rumour sites.
It's the difference between a 10 year old pondering what they might get for Christmas (which is fun), and throwing a tantrum when they get the usual nice toy or two and a few sweaters (which is not so fun).
As far as WWDC goes, I suspect there will be nothing on the 970. However, there may be a session or two (secret or not) on 64-bit programming. WWDC is too public an arena with too many developers who like to talk to make it a safe arena for private showings of the 970. Remember, a demo is only useful if Apple can get something concrete from it. Making a bunch of developers go "Wow!" isn't sufficient reason for a demonstration.
That, and I truly doubt that the 970 is ready for a demo that is useful for Apple. I expect a spate of more accurate rumours when Apple seeds developers with new machines in the Sept-October time frame. Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong...
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It looks like that has been done, but Windows users are not walking toward the bright light.
<strong>I hope that there is a leak from someone at the May conference...that would tide me over. Maybe someone that goes to the conference takes a picture of a presentation, and then, say, posts it on ,say , Ebay?
No cameras allowed. And yes, they say we are under a global NDA. But last year the whole conference hall was equipped with wireless access and you could forward a play-by play to anywhere during the keynote.
I was surprised not to see it here - we ran a live play by play on DSL Reports with no problem. This was the keynote with the OS 9 in the coffin and the organ music and the new features of Jaguar.
It's not pretty, by design.
<strong>Although I remember one year that we had some 'unannouced' tracks, and track that changed on Monday after the keynote.. (I must be getting old, cause I don't remember what they announced that year).</strong><hr></blockquote>
Rendezvous support with 10.2? Bluetooth?
i think it was one of those...
<strong>Probably banned from future WWDC and your ADC subscription revoked for life...think about it...Apple takes this stuff very seriously!</strong><hr></blockquote>
The stuff Steve and Co. say in the general sessions are under NDA, but it all appears live on MacCentral, etc. - everyone is transcribing in real-time.
The real stuff isn't on the main menu. That's where you have an actual document to sign.
Maybe this year they'll take away the WAPs like they do at MWSF and MWNY. That would be a good sign if so - but anyone could make a phone call.
Please help to refresh my memory. Didn't Apple preview the G4 and Dual Processors at WWDCs? This let everyone know they were for real, but didn't knock the floor out from under the company.
If we are going to see the 970 this summer, then I would expect some sort of display of it at WWDC. As a previous poster said, this is all under NDA. Apple could give a closed-door exhibition of the machine and let devs know about it w/o a full fledged announcement.
Of coarse, rumors would make their way on to the net, but wouldn't this help to build a buzz around Apple?
<strong>If Apple is to release machines built around the 970 this year, they will need to talk about the 970 in May or at least 64bit development. This is something they can't keep secret until the last minute. Everyone and their mothers know about the 970. Every 970 article point to Apple as a very probable user. At this point it's no secret.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not sure that is not neccecarely true becouse the 970 should run all current software at 100% efficiency, and Apple might not have a 64 bit OS and or development tools ready at WWDC. In fact, from what I understand, Apple could release a 970 with a 32 bit OS with no performance penilty, and save the 64 bitness for the next release.
I think the two main attractions at WWDC this year will be some kind of incarnation of the 970 even if it is just a software emulation and Mac OS 10.3.
I do not think Apple could just release a 970 to the public without any show what so ever to developers...developers have the right to know what is coming out so they can program accordingly.
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I'm not sure that is not neccecarely true becouse the 970 should run all current software at 100% efficiency, and Apple might not have a 64 bit OS and or development tools ready at WWDC. In fact, from what I understand, Apple could release a 970 with a 32 bit OS with no performance penilty, and save the 64 bitness for the next release.</strong><hr></blockquote>
970 machines wouldn't run all software without modification. the motherboard would be a radical departure from anything they have out now. Drivers will break. Some intensive memory access apps may need minor tweaks. IBM's altivec implimentation is unchecked. Even if 64bit was not going to be affected, they still need to support their developers with advanced info.
Given the dozens of rumour sites, it only takes one loose-lipped developer trying to impress his friends for all the information to get out. The wonder of the Internet is that it's almost impossible to keep a secret.
I'd pretty much guarantee that they will either do an announcement, or show at most 5-6 developers, all whom have their neck on the line if anything gets out.
Besides, even if the developers say nothing, we'll be able to tell if there's a demo of the 970. If even 1/10 the 970 excitement is borne out by reality, there will be a rash of Mac developers' heads exploding while trying to keep this news to themselves :-).
<strong>Drivers will break. Some intensive memory access apps may need minor tweaks. IBM's altivec implimentation is unchecked. Even if 64bit was not going to be affected, they still need to support their developers with advanced info.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You mean like they did with OS X?
What drivers? Pretty much all of the I/O drivers are supplied by Apple right? Memory access would be backwards compatible. Does OS X even have a way to access memory without going through the OS anymore?
I think if Apple shipped at WWDC all the Apple apps would be available and the vast majority of third party apps would run unmodified.
<strong>Maybe this year they'll take away the WAPs like they do at MWSF and MWNY. That would be a good sign if so - but anyone could make a phone call.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hell, one bluetooth to GPRS connection and it'd be all over the web. Hoisted by their own petard!
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You mean like they did with OS X?
What drivers? Pretty much all of the I/O drivers are supplied by Apple right? Memory access would be backwards compatible. Does OS X even have a way to access memory without going through the OS anymore?
I think if Apple shipped at WWDC all the Apple apps would be available and the vast majority of third party apps would run unmodified.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, well, we knew OS X was coming months and years before it was released.
<strong>Apple must realize that if they are planning a "secret" showing of the 970 to more than a handful of developers, they might as well do a full blown announcement.
Given the dozens of rumour sites, it only takes one loose-lipped developer trying to impress his friends for all the information to get out. The wonder of the Internet is that it's almost impossible to keep a secret.
I'd pretty much guarantee that they will either do an announcement, or show at most 5-6 developers, all whom have their neck on the line if anything gets out.
Besides, even if the developers say nothing, we'll be able to tell if there's a demo of the 970. If even 1/10 the 970 excitement is borne out by reality, there will be a rash of Mac developers' heads exploding while trying to keep this news to themselves :-).</strong><hr></blockquote>
Thanks captain obvious. Tell me Tom, do you own a PC? Because I don't imagine you own a Mac. After all, every post you've written is about how Apple is incapable of doing anything. In this case, a secret announcement for select developers.
Barto
Actually, I've been using Mac's since the Fat Mac days, and as technical manager, I'm responsible for our company being a Mac shop, mainly because I'd rather not spend 80% of my day handling support issues. (Switch to Windows -> double your tech support workload.)
However, I'm also realistic about what Apple (or other companies) are likely to be able to do. Thus, not suprisingly, I actually do not tend to criticize Apple much. I find most of the criticism around here is for Apple failing to do what they never promised. Rumours are fun, but there's a disturbing tendency for people to expect Apple to conform to the massive wish-fulfilment that seems common on rumour sites.
It's the difference between a 10 year old pondering what they might get for Christmas (which is fun), and throwing a tantrum when they get the usual nice toy or two and a few sweaters (which is not so fun).
As far as WWDC goes, I suspect there will be nothing on the 970. However, there may be a session or two (secret or not) on 64-bit programming. WWDC is too public an arena with too many developers who like to talk to make it a safe arena for private showings of the 970. Remember, a demo is only useful if Apple can get something concrete from it. Making a bunch of developers go "Wow!" isn't sufficient reason for a demonstration.
That, and I truly doubt that the 970 is ready for a demo that is useful for Apple. I expect a spate of more accurate rumours when Apple seeds developers with new machines in the Sept-October time frame. Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong...